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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: kalaratiri on 15 Oct 2014, 11:04
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Lazytiri is lazy (http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/all-that-is-gold-does-not-glitter-data-sites-expeditions-and-more/)
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The general consensus right now is that Relic sites are worth more than their Data site counterparts when it comes to the basic ISK per hour and this is something that we’ve had on our radar for a while.
The (probably unintended) pun in here is killing me.
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Relic sites used to be Radar sites?
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Data = Radar
Relic = Magnetometric
Gas = Ladar
Ore = Grav
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no more new background in missions. :psyccp:
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no more new background in missions. :psyccp:
This is what struck me first as well.
There was some unnecessary babble in there, yes, but this just strips it down to "go to location X to do thing Y for reward Z".
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no more new background in missions. :psyccp:
This is what struck me first as well.
There was some unnecessary babble in there, yes, but this just strips it down to "go to location X to do thing Y for reward Z".
Before anyone brings it up, I am aware that they said it was just the career agent missions they were 'streamlining' like this.
however, what does that tell you, regarding CCP's attitude to their own background ? It says they are not interested in presenting the background to new players. They even dismiss it as "wall of text" in the devblog.
so when the introduction to EVE does not say the background is important, how would a new player ever develop an interest in the background ? And what is that going to do regarding introducing new players to RP ?
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There are better ways than walls of text in career agent missions. None of them have been particularly useful as to the subject of Eve background so far, so why not make them less likely to repulse new players?
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Career agents are not the place to put "Lore" and background information....
Most players would just swiftly complete them in order to "enjoy" the content and the isk.
regular missions, epic arc, cosmos (which should be converted to epic arc engine btw), exploration sites, landmarks and the like are the best options.
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well, I don't think it bodes well for the future, as regards lore being accessible ingame, as opposed to behind a paywall in the form of books like eve source.
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Honestly, I don't mind that at all. The ones that'd be interested enough in it for it to matter would be roleplayers and any roleplayers that wouldn't bother reading a bit of the stuff on the wiki, the PF sections etc etc I wouldn't bother dealing with anyway. It doesn't have to infest the gameplay. That's where the foreground story should be told. Better details and fluff directly pertaining to your current mission. The backstory/background stuff should be exactly there. Fuzzy and out of focus in the background until someone bothers checking it out.
I have barely skimmed mission texts as it is. When I'm in-game doing missions or whatever I got shit to do. Hiding the PF/worldbuilding in there would be horrible, as I've got better things to do at the time than read backstory I'd rather go look up on a wiki or in Source when I have a need or interest in it.
It's all available anyway, no need to shoehorn it in where it doesn't belong.
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Better details and fluff directly pertaining to your current mission.
Except that's not what they're doing. They're taking out all the "details and fluff", so that instead of "take this thing to here, because reasons", it is just "take this here".
A while back, they made some 20 new 'storyline' missions, which were mostly courier missions, which included a lot of world information. Cargoes were of various types, things like hybrid slaver hounds, and the mission briefing talked about why those were important. That sort of thing is completely opposite to what this dev blog is suggesting.
Courier missions as just "take this there". Well, that sure is interesting and provides content to rp about.
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Are you sure you want to pull content to RP about from a reel of missions running on random-repeat? I'd rather get my content from either events or books, to be quite honest.
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Are you sure you want to pull content to RP about from a reel of missions running on random-repeat? I'd rather get my content from either events or books, to be quite honest.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Counterfeit_Voluval_Tattoo_Chemicals
you're right, there's nothing that might come up in a mission that provides things to RP about.
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I think you're intentionally missing the point, here.
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Basically, we’ve cut a lot of unnecessary text from all Career Agent missions to sharpen the focus on the objectives.
Emphasis mine.
The only agents this affects are each factions 5 Career agents. Most of the affected text was pure fluff that added nothing, (although, it didn't detract anything either) to the missions themselves. I think this is a good change, as it allows new players to very clearly and easily see what their objectives are.
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"That added nothing", I guess it boils down to whom you talk to.
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Since I've never done the career agent missions, I can't really comment on the content of their 'fluff' text. Can anyone fill me in? What do they talk about? Any lore or backstory?
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Time to save them all somewhere for posterity !
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They don't, as far as I recall.
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So all of the backlash is just a slipper slope fear that regular missions will be next?
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Yes.
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The thing that strikes me about this is that it was even worth mentioning in a dev blog. I think you are really stretching for something to include in your change log when you have to highlight you are deleting some text.
But hey, that's just me.
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(http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66598/1/CareerAgentText550.jpg)
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The old briefing says something about the module being useful for traveling toward stargates on autopilot - nothing wrong with getting rid of bad advice like that!
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The old briefing says something about the module being useful for traveling toward stargates on autopilot - nothing wrong with getting rid of bad advice like that!
Lol, this is true.
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The career agents are terrible. I have done them far too many times, on far too many characters, because they give out a lot of free crap. But they are obnoxious to run. They have a bit of a story to them, but the thing is, the rewards that are supposed to be given out are all weird, so you go into a mission given a specific ship piece in the last mission that doesn't help you at all on this next mission. No, you need to go and train this completely unspecified skill so that you can fit this other module they mentioned nothing about until right this very moment.
I was given a remote repair frigate while I was doing the exploration one I believe? I was not given probes or a probe launcher, I had to figure that out myself.
The one with the most storyline is probably the military one, in that one the pirate says to you at the end "you know, you can work for the pirates" but that about sums up the depth of the story. The other tend to have less then that, though I think in the advanced military one your agent was fucking with you a bit.
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I had no idea this many people actually did those missions.
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I had no idea this many people actually did those missions.
You do them for two reasons:
A ) On a new character, they give you many ships, modules, and, most importantly, skill books. This is very useful.
B ) Finishing each career agent gives you +10 faction standing. Ergo, doing all 5 career agents in all 3 schools for a faction is a massive easy boost to faction standing--even without skills, you'll be ending around 3.00 faction standing (having started from 0.00) after doing all of them.
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I had no idea this many people actually did those missions.
You do them for two reasons:
A ) On a new character, they give you many ships, modules, and, most importantly, skill books. This is very useful.
B ) Finishing each career agent gives you +10 faction standing. Ergo, doing all 5 career agents in all 3 schools for a faction is a massive easy boost to faction standing--even without skills, you'll be ending around 3.00 faction standing (having started from 0.00) after doing all of them.
Ah, nifty. Good to know. Learn something really old everyday, it seems.
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I had no idea this many people actually did those missions.
did them many times to point out their bugs and report improvements.....hardly any change ever came
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I think you're intentionally missing the point, here.
No, you're missing the point.
The point is, that missions, exploration sites and other things of that nature, that provide bits of PF from time to time, means that every player's experience of the background is slightly different, and this creates a greater variety of RP stances.
You said you prefer everything laid out in books or a wiki. Which means every player and thus character, experiences the same background, there's nothing that they might encounter ingame to change their opinions on stuff. Nothing to explore in the universe. No sense of discovery. Nothing that might challenge your interpretation of the background.
which sounds a lot more dull and static and boring.
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You're still intentionally missing the point, but okay. Doesn't matter, CCP is pruning the pointless stuff out and I'm cool with that.
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I'm not sure how I feel about you using an avatar of mine and quoting me in your sig, Miz. It's almost like I have a little fan club without the fan part. So just a club club.
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"Avatar of yours"? I have no idea what you're talking about. Also, I bite.
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I'm way to lazy to go find the thread where you announced you were grabbing it - and I'm all for it, the more publicity that artist gets the better. \o/
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Clearly never happened. You're delusional, I say!
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Works for me!
Me:
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