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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Jennifer Starfall on 10 Feb 2015, 15:27
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I'm beginning to plan a Sleeper Symposium to be done as in-game event. Before making a formal announcement, i'd like some input a couple of things from those with experience with live events.
What is the experience with timing and lead time? I'm assuming weekend events get better attendance than weekdays. What general time of day works best? Would February 21st or 22nd be sufficient lead time?
Thanks in advance for any input. Look for the formal announcement soon.
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It would probably be better to get involved with SeyCon 4, which is already being organized, rather than setting up another (presumably identical in function and nature) event.
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It would probably be better to get involved with SeyCon 4, which is already being organized, rather than setting up another (presumably identical in function and nature) event.
I've not even heard of this? I've not seen it mentioned here, and a scan of the official forums doesn't turn up anything. Can you point me towards information on it, maybe?
I found it. No offense to Nmaro, but this event seems to have stalled. It was originally planned for January/mid-February, and we're now moving into mid-Feburary.
SeyCon appears to be much broader in scope, and the symposium I'm putting together is focused on the current research/study of Sleepers and Seekers that's currently occupying the IGS community.
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Competition is always a good motivator after all. :yar:
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I'm seriously thinking about breaking out the cattle prod to make sure N'maro gets on this, or just grabbing the reigns myself. I'm perfectly willing to run SeyCon if N'maro doesn't have the time, but I'd agree with Morwen that its probably better to take what you're planning and rolling it into SeyCon, while John is right in a sense that sometimes competition is good, I disagree in this specific case, and think the last thing we need is divisiveness within the scientific conference scene. We'll end up with conferences with single digit numbers of people attending.
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Let's at least canvas more opinions from the community before we decide to roll it into a conference which is currently not happening.
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Sleeper research is a broad topic, blurred with rumors and speculations. I would really like to attend some kind of small scale conference IC to learn more about basic facts, canon lore and history. I can imagine that a huge conference may quickly trip into discussions about very specific topics or focus on debates about certain controversal issues. So, I'm basically supporting Jennifer's initiative. But on the other hand, if it could be attached to the bigger thing , why not? This could be done by simple announcement ("A local symposion held as preparation for SeyCon 4") or as part of a conference track. Or both.
Regarding jennifer's initial questions, I would place such a symposion on a workday, not a weekend. At least one week in advance.
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While it is a broad subject, I think it is a mistake to cut events apart into their component constituents and have a bunch of separate events.
Think of it like this, lets say you have, hypothetically, five 'bands' or 'singer' characters, and you want to have a show for them. As cool as it would be to have your own show, I feel a far better option would be to have all five perform together at one show, thus pulling in all the people who would attend one of the band's shows, and bolstering all the other bands in the process. Contrasted with, each band does its own show and is only attended by its own fans. All the events are smaller and involve fewer people.
The EVE RP community is already small, and is already highly divisive. The last thing we need is more divisiveness. We need some level of unity, some level of cohesion. We already have SeyCon, a popular, heavily attended event that pulls in people who otherwise merely lurk in the background. I've personally avoided putting together my own symposium type event for just these reasons. I certainly have a stake in the events, and the knowledge of how to put such an event together, but I don't want to take away from SeyCon.
The other thing to consider is that having a small, limited scope symposium will be small and attract a small scope of people, what will it actually accomplish that could not be accomplished equally well if not better, then a panel/series of panels at a larger event? We should be focusing on building up SeyCon as much as possible, because the bigger it is, the more draw it has, and the more interesting things could come out of it.
TL;DR: Given how small the community is, we should focus on having one good, large, well attended conference/convention, instead of having a bunch of little, sparsely attended ones. Whether that ends up being SeyCon or whatever replaces it, I think the idea of 'small science conference specific in scope' is not the best idea.
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Sleepers, Seekers and the cloaked structures are a current topic of discussion and concern on the IGS. They're discussions that are frequently getting derailed by political infighting. When would SeyCon occur? 3 months ago, it was supposed to have occurred now, but they were still just trying to form a committee and hasn't even called for participants. It's become bureaucratic and moribund. Frankly, I don't want to see an opportunity pass while SeyCon forms a committee.
Part of the reason for Repracor to do this is to establish itself, not to just participate in an RP event that's scientific in nature.
I'll be blunt. Several of the responses are basically the kind of elitist, toe-the-line attitudes that kill RP. And I'm sorry for such vitriol, but you basically just patted me on the head, called me cute and told me to move aside so the big kids could play.
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Have to agree with Repracor here. SeyCon may be established and all, but unless it's actually going to be on the near horizon people should not be demanded to hold off on their own events for it.
So. If SeyCon will happen within the next, say, two weeks, on a date that Jenn's event can orient to? Great, wonderful, put them together. If it won't? Then oh well, SeyCon can do without their symposium. So, SeyCon people: If you want other people to orient their events around your thing: Get on it. If you aren't, then you can't blame people for not waiting.
And frankly, considering the recent history of SeyCon (getting cancelled last year, and being heavily delayed this year), it doesn't exactly look like a very reliable or promising thing. The RP community needs more events, period, not some single "grand" event that gets canceled and delayed constantly.
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I'm beginning to plan a Sleeper Symposium to be done as in-game event. Before making a formal announcement, i'd like some input a couple of things from those with experience with live events.
What is the experience with timing and lead time? I'm assuming weekend events get better attendance than weekdays. What general time of day works best? Would February 21st or 22nd be sufficient lead time?
Thanks in advance for any input. Look for the formal announcement soon.
Weekend gets better attendance than weekdays.
You have to juggle EU/US timezones. Speaking from experience, sometimes a middling compromise between the two results on more attendees but sometimes it also results in a washout. Be sure of you KNOW is interested and set the the time so at least they can do it.
2 weeks seems a bit rushed but might be enough time if a purely social event. For something that might require more work, I'd say one month. Beyond that, people seem to commit easily (great idea!) and then forget in my experience.
Also, feel free to contact Luna Icly or at least mention it in passing somehow. She has several members of SFRIM who are of a scientific bent who she might encourage to attend the conference. She's been very concerned about the creepy scanners in high sec and shrouded locations. While one is on leave for rl issues, the other might attend. Luna herself isn't too much into this sort of thing but might attend to listen.
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Have to agree with Repracor here. SeyCon may be established and all, but unless it's actually going to be on the near horizon people should not be demanded to hold off on their own events for it.
So. If SeyCon will happen within the next, say, two weeks, on a date that Jenn's event can orient to? Great, wonderful, put them together. If it won't? Then oh well, SeyCon can do without their symposium. So, SeyCon people: If you want other people to orient their events around your thing: Get on it. If you aren't, then you can't blame people for not waiting.
And frankly, considering the recent history of SeyCon (getting cancelled last year, and being heavily delayed this year), it doesn't exactly look like a very reliable or promising thing. The RP community needs more events, period, not some single "grand" event that gets canceled and delayed constantly.
The last dates we discussed internally were the exact same dates Jenn suggested and have had no negative responses to them. So, assuming Nemo responds to Saede's poke and the handful of outstanding mails/questions that are in the Seycon organization mailing list, uh, yeah, it would be around the same time.
That said, we're also about to get a lore dump via all of the Tiamat stuff next week. Which leaves like, a week and a half for people to incorporate the new content into whatever they want to present. That's not a lot of time (arguably not enough) regardless of which event it is, especially if people presenting don't want to look like underprepared idiots bumbling over their notes.
This also isn't about being elitist or toeing any lines. As far as I'm concerned, more people getting involved is better - and the more people involved with pushing an event along the less likely it is to get stalled by one or two people getting a razorblade shoved up their ass by RL.
If I wanted to shit on things, I would not have taken the "hey, there's another similar thing that's already being worked on and needs a bit of nudging over the top of the hill, maybe you could come help out with that one and kill two birds with one stone" route.
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The last dates we discussed internally were the exact same dates Jenn suggested and have had no negative responses to them. So, assuming Nemo responds to Saede's poke and the handful of outstanding mails/questions that are in the Seycon organization mailing list, uh, yeah, it would be around the same time.
I'm sure you can forgive people if, from an external point of view, that wasn't obvious from your post?
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The last dates we discussed internally were the exact same dates Jenn suggested and have had no negative responses to them. So, assuming Nemo responds to Saede's poke and the handful of outstanding mails/questions that are in the Seycon organization mailing list, uh, yeah, it would be around the same time.
I'm sure you can forgive people if, from an external point of view, that wasn't obvious from your post?
The last post of substance on the IGS was November 29th saying a date would be set soon for submissions.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5253348#post5253348
Has a date for submissions been set yet? I confess I forgot about SeyCon since it didn't seem to be going anywhere.
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Not much to add here, but I'd be up for this Jennifer. Ael would show, if only to listen, but possibly to network with others about construction techniques and products using ancient salvage.
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Have to agree with Repracor here. SeyCon may be established and all, but unless it's actually going to be on the near horizon people should not be demanded to hold off on their own events for it.
So. If SeyCon will happen within the next, say, two weeks, on a date that Jenn's event can orient to? Great, wonderful, put them together. If it won't? Then oh well, SeyCon can do without their symposium. So, SeyCon people: If you want other people to orient their events around your thing: Get on it. If you aren't, then you can't blame people for not waiting.
And frankly, considering the recent history of SeyCon (getting cancelled last year, and being heavily delayed this year), it doesn't exactly look like a very reliable or promising thing. The RP community needs more events, period, not some single "grand" event that gets canceled and delayed constantly.
The last dates we discussed internally were the exact same dates Jenn suggested and have had no negative responses to them. So, assuming Nemo responds to Saede's poke and the handful of outstanding mails/questions that are in the Seycon organization mailing list, uh, yeah, it would be around the same time.
That said, we're also about to get a lore dump via all of the Tiamat stuff next week. Which leaves like, a week and a half for people to incorporate the new content into whatever they want to present. That's not a lot of time (arguably not enough) regardless of which event it is, especially if people presenting don't want to look like underprepared idiots bumbling over their notes.
This also isn't about being elitist or toeing any lines. As far as I'm concerned, more people getting involved is better - and the more people involved with pushing an event along the less likely it is to get stalled by one or two people getting a razorblade shoved up their ass by RL.
If I wanted to shit on things, I would not have taken the "hey, there's another similar thing that's already being worked on and needs a bit of nudging over the top of the hill, maybe you could come help out with that one and kill two birds with one stone" route.
Yeah this, not trying to shit over anyone's parade. I want there to be one really excellent scientific conference type event. I don't care if its Seycon, or your thing, or something I pull out of my ass tomorrow, I just want there to be something and I want that something to be as big and wide in scope as possible. If the SeyCon people can't get things together, then I'm perfectly willing to toss it out and replace it with a new conference that serves the same purpose, run by people who can get on top of it.
That said, we should decide what we're doing here and now in that regard. I'd honestly not be opposed to seeing Repracor completely take the reigns from SeyCon and import all the old organisers to help out, give it a new name/location or whatever. I'd be willing to help it out. Under the rules of SeyCon I can't present and help organise, which is why I haven't been helping organise previously, but frankly, fuck that rule, if organisation needs to happen and no one else is doing it, I'll do it.
I'd also agree that +1 week from Tiamat is probably too soon to hold it, I think the weekend of the 27th through the 1st would probably be a good time to schedule. Its recent enough that all the shit currently going on will remain relevant, but far enough out to allow people to incorporate the new things coming with Tiamat.
So essentially, I think there should be one major SeyCon-esque event, I don't care what its called, where it is, or who runs it, I just want to see it happen, and I don't want to see it fragment into a bunch of little conferences that get a handful of participants and fail to make waves.
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The last dates we discussed internally were the exact same dates Jenn suggested and have had no negative responses to them. So, assuming Nemo responds to Saede's poke and the handful of outstanding mails/questions that are in the Seycon organization mailing list, uh, yeah, it would be around the same time.
There is nothing public, here or on the IGS, that even hints at that kind of date. Or topics, for that matter. Nor was it even mentioned in this thread until now.
That said, we're also about to get a lore dump via all of the Tiamat stuff next week. Which leaves like, a week and a half for people to incorporate the new content into whatever they want to present. That's not a lot of time (arguably not enough) regardless of which event it is, especially if people presenting don't want to look like underprepared idiots bumbling over their notes.
Yes, yes we are. I thought about trying to push an event for this weekend, but my wife would hand me my head if I tried to commit to a long event on Valentines Day. That being said, the lore dump in Tiamat is likely to make this subject explode. Such an event in the week or two after would take on a tone of urgency. Instead of people just expositing on their interpretations of the lore, they'll be reacting. So, yeah. The timing actually makes it very interesting.
This also isn't about being elitist or toeing any lines. As far as I'm concerned, more people getting involved is better - and the more people involved with pushing an event along the less likely it is to get stalled by one or two people getting a razorblade shoved up their ass by RL.
If I wanted to shit on things, I would not have taken the "hey, there's another similar thing that's already being worked on and needs a bit of nudging over the top of the hill, maybe you could come help out with that one and kill two birds with one stone" route.
My apologies for the strong reaction.
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Seycon is still a thing ? I thought it was unofficially canceled already...
Well in any case my character wants to attend to that kind of things.
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I get the desire to not fragment the community. And Saede has a point that we need to decide on what we're going to do. Please keep me in the loop about SeyCon. Part of my goal for this is to build some credibility for Repracor, so if this merges with SeyCon, I'd really like for Repracor to have some visibility. I also want to offer the IC scientists of the Backstage & IGS communities an opportunity to come together, share what they've found and synergize each other without political baggage. Too many of the discussions on IGS get derailed by politics. By having an event in a venue, a tighter reign can be held.
Saede, you and several others were definitely on my list of people to directly reach out to to participate (and I wouldn't put it past you to show up with a pet Sleeper in tow for show-and-tell). The weekend of the 27th was another weekend I had in mind.
Ideally, I'd like for us to have something worked out by the end of the week (SeyCon or a smaller Repracor event) so we can get rolling on this. Sleepers, Seekers and cloaked structures are a big concern right now. And things are going to escalate when the Drifters arrive. I think an announcement before Tiamat for an event after Tiamat will have a very dramatic feel.
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My thought is this: treat it like SeyCon in most respects: topics, scope, presentations, etc. But call it something different to emphasize the change in operators and locations. Don't sell yourselves short and make a small event. Things are heating up in the science/research RP scene, and Repracor in many respects is the spiritual successor to SYNE. Now is definitely a good time to do something high impact and make something awesome. I'd be willing to help organise and sort things out on the operation side of it, I have quite a bit of experience running bigger events if you guys don't think you're up to it on your own, and I suspect a lot of the old SeyCon organisers would also be onboard for helping. I'd really like to be able to present though, I actually have a few presentations already typed up that I was planning on using for SeyCon, including what I think would make a nice closing presentation to end things on an upbeat note after all the sleeper scares.
Also, if you're lacking a venue, I'd be totally down for putting it at a conference centre in Foundation City, seems like a decent place to have a wormholes/sleepers scientific conference.
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Repracor very much has a venue for this. I'm going to let Jennifer run with it and offer my support in as many aspects as I can. Whilst there are thing I want Halcy to do, this is too high profile for her to organise it. She'd gladly support Jennifer in organising it though.
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Repracor very much has a venue for this. I'm going to let Jennifer run with it and offer my support in as many aspects as I can. Whilst there are thing I want Halcy to do, this is too high profile for her to organise it. She'd gladly support Jennifer in organising it though.
What is your venue? Just curious cause I think the Elysion (sp) venue might not be really arranged in a 'science conferencey' kind of way.
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It has one very large ballroom, two other rooms plus I'm adding a conference room. What additional to this do you think would be required?
All under an umbrella of neutrality and a policy of non aggression.
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I'd have something set up like this:
1). A Main 'floor' area that is not a conference room. This room should be the middle room and contain connections to all the other rooms.
2.) At least 1 (I'd say preferably 2,) conference rooms.
3) Some sort of space for round tables.
4) Places for guests to sleep in/near the convention centre, since its a multi-day event. I know you have a few guest rooms, but those are rather specific.
Think of like, a typical convention. Its often held in a hotel so that it has plenty of guest rooms and convention spaces, connected by a series of public corridors.
Also if you want to go all out? Have a place for vendors.
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Station automatically has capsuleer quarters.
Check the Elysian map. If you honestly feel there'd be insufficient space between everything Elysion offers I will join with you in discussion of something appropriate.
Plus as I say, neutrality.
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link me the map? My eve account is unsubbed atm due to poverty.
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I had a talk with Nemo and Morwen last night. Nemo was ready to announce for the weekend of Feb 28th, which was the weekend I was looking at. So instead of cannibalizing each other, Repracor is going to throw its banner in with SeyCon. I've officially joined the committee, and I will represent Repracor as the public face of the conference.
I'm happy with this, as it's hitting my goals: exposure for Repracor and a venue for current S3 research efforts to be discussed in a more productive venue than the IGS. It as also agreed that Repracor is the spiritual successor of The Synnenose Accord, so our involvement would be fitting.
We also agreed that the event would occur on Seyllin as usual.
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I'd like to thank Jenny for the chat we had, and emphasise that pertinent to the meeting we will be making sure that the conference is both topical and welcoming. The details are all confirmed and we hope to see many submissions for consideration. Expect announcement in the next day or so!
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Can there be a talk about proper methods of defense and offense against ancient drone constructs utilizing advanced and newly built defensive systems of a projectile type?
Followed by a live demonstration?
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I take it you're volunteering for such a presentation?
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Can there be a talk about proper methods of defense and offense against ancient drone constructs utilizing advanced and newly built defensive systems of a projectile type?
Followed by a live demonstration?
Yes. You could even consider marketing said projectile types on the trade/exhibition floor leading up to and during the conference if you're willing to RP it :)