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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Lyn Farel on 14 May 2015, 04:46
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Hello,
Well after major events like Seycon, the PPC (still ongoing), etc, that also prove to be major world builders and content generators, I am trying to see what else can be done in this vein. Most if not all of the outcome of such events is generally 99-100% positive for everyone and allow to keep RPers busy doing things, interacting, bring new things to the table, and overall keep up the flame that otherwise tends to extinguish by itself. We saw that with the lack of news for a while, and it is also part of this willingness to provide content.
So, you may already be familiar with the concept of World's Fair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_fair), which has been happening quite regularly in the world since 1850s, in part due to the beginning of industrial revolutions.
I intend to replicate the idea to New Eden. All the intricacies are yet to be defined. This is mostly an interest check to see if people are interested because like for SeyCon, it might also ask a bit of willingness from at least some of the participants to create content and so, spend time doing it. It's not huge, it's basically RP and world building, but it still asks for a minimum of motivation (like for SeyCon speeches and researches really).
For now the thing I have in mind would be a rather standard format spread on one or several days where characters or corporations can exhibit whatever they like, in accordance to the theme of the expo. I want to make sure not to go too much universal or it would just prove to be a clunky mess of everything that may detract to the general coherence of the thing and could also dilute/balkanize the audience and the expo.
What would it consist of exactly ?
Well as I said, details are still open to discussion and even creation. What I have in mind however, is to set a theme (not too precise, but not universal either), and allow people and corps to come with their works. As you may know, those exhibitions were often eulogies to progress, innovation, art, culture, and that kind of things. Nowadays, they still are, but often more focused on modern day concerns, like challenges facing humanity like global warming, sea, energy, food, etc. I obviously do not intend to set up as a theme "Feeding the poor in New Eden" because it would prove to be very limiting and boring. But I am surveying a bit what kind of setting for the first of those events could be.
Wait, if the event is about, say, Science and innovation, and my character is more about say, culture or art, will I be left out ?
Well as a participant/exhibitor, probably yes. But definitely not as part of the general public! Also, keep in mind that if the first one proves to be successful, I would like to plan other ones as well, that have different themes to provide a rotation of exhibitions and involved people (and to avoid burnouts and just depleting all the pool of ideas if it's always about the same things). So, if you are not that much interested in one, doesn't mean another one could not interest you either. Maybe it could actually motivate you enough to take part as content creator.
How would it work ?
Probably a lot to add there. I however envision those exhibitions to last at least a one or a few days so that different TZ can mingle and enjoy it. In realities those lasted for months so... It would not be such a stretch to make them last, but I don't want either to see them last for eons because it will just dilute everything and they would anyway die out in terms of activity past a few days.
I also have the idea to set up maybe one every 3-4 months or something. 3 months basis, at least for a start, sounds reasonable and would provide 4 of those per year. Then if it proves too much, we will reduce it.
They would last a few days or something, because I just don't want to say "here we got, we have X people each with their little exhibition, feel free to visit them". It would die in less than a day once people got there, saw what was there, and left. I would see it more like Seycon or the PPC, with conferences spread over a few days, and several rooms for people to move freely outside of the conferences.
I would like to use a format where every exhibitor has their own "venues". They could even be free to determine and describe how they look as long as they remain in the spirit of the session.
People could either present their work individually, or gather into collectives, groups, or corporations, with or without corporate or faction ties between them... It's very free, do as you like.
Where would it take place ?
Well probably in a place tied to the general theme of the exhibition. Which means that it would change at every expo.
What is that poll for ?
Well, it is basically to rate your interest in the theme for the first one... Provided there is enough interest of course. You can vote for all of them at once if you like them all.
And yes, some of them intersect heavily. But the venue totally changes.
As a potential exhibitor, what am I expected to provide ?
Your own imagination and the theme are the limits. And those are pretty loose. If you want to come to a science expo with your own silly invention like the new Thomas Eddison, well, feel free to do it. I will be the only judge of what is out of bonds (either out of limits because not really into the theme, or out of bonds because your RP idea is godmoddy or breaks PF, deal with it).
More seriously though, it's really an exercise of world building. Create your own lore around your exhibition, if you want to present the fruit of your little corner of space and native planet, then do it. Explain how your flora works and try to entice the people that comes to see it with it. Basically, it involves like for SeyCon, to find a nice subject for your "thesis", do some research or work around it, be it ingame or not (I don't care at all, it's world building, so world build where you like to world build), and prepare a little speech to present it like people did at SeyCon.
Thank you, hope it provides interest!
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I like that Origin is on the list! Personally I think it would be awesome to open up Origin to the general public for an event.
Either way Halfrek will try to be there with her hand crafted patchwork clothing, goggles, parasol, and dirigible. Anya may accompany Hallie on a leash and in Blood Raider cosplay. Hallie and Anya would like to talk about late capitalism, anticapitalism movements, and human evolution without capitalism.
I really do hope to be a positive member in this. It's a great idea, Lyn!
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So option three is "Dam-Torsad, Amarr - Religion and spirituality."
I'm not sure I follow. Is this meant to imply that the empire has a monopoly on religion in the cluster?
Of course if it's Lyn's IC perspective then fair enough. I can see how she might feel that way.
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So option three is "Dam-Torsad, Amarr - Religion and spirituality."
I'm not sure I follow. Is this meant to imply that the empire has a monopoly on religion in the cluster?
Of course if it's Lyn's IC perspective then fair enough. I can see how she might feel that way.
None of the locations implies monopoly. It's about where the fair would take place. The locations symbolize their topic, but it's not saying they have a monopoly on it.
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I like that Origin is on the list! Personally I think it would be awesome to open up Origin to the general public for an event. Either way Halfrek will try to be there with her hand crafted patchwork clothing, goggles, parasol, and dirigible. Anya may accompany Hallie on a leash and in Blood Raider cosplay. Hallie and Anya would like to talk about late capitalism, anticapitalism movements, and human evolution without capitalism.
I really do hope to be a positive member in this. It's a great idea, Lyn!
Origin is on the list as a potential place, but I have yet to contact anyone official about it and I'm only listing it to gauge the interest. So... Nothing official. Hope AVLEX doesn't mind.
So option three is "Dam-Torsad, Amarr - Religion and spirituality."
I'm not sure I follow. Is this meant to imply that the empire has a monopoly on religion in the cluster?
Of course if it's Lyn's IC perspective then fair enough. I can see how she might feel that way.
I originally listed Athra for Knowledge, then I remembered Hedion and I thought it was a bit more fitting.
For something on religion, I met the same issue everywhere really. It could be set anywhere where religion is intense that it would leave all other religions out... There is no clear place where to do that, but I thought Amarr, having the most influential and powerful religion on the cluster could be a natural place to host it. I mean, when the same expositions started to take place IRL, guess where they started ? France, then UK, then France... In a nutshell, in the 2 biggest empires of the world where technology, art, culture were at their peak. It didn't mean that those had a monopoly on it, since various other nations (especially emerging true powers like Germany) attended too! But generally, the most influential nations tend to see that kind of thing gravitating around them. Look at the US today, it's the same, really.
So as Samira said, it's a symbol, mostly, but your remark (I made the same myself when I wrote it so I understand where it comes from) actually made me think of another possibility : Saisio and Amarr regroup very similar themes and could be grouped together. The first expo, if it was directed with that theme in mind, could maybe start on Saisio, which is a lot more neutral, to prevent controversy (or we go for Athra if we actually want to provoke that controversy...). Then, if a similar one arise in the future, then Athra. But yeah, similarly for all other, like Caille, doesn't mean that they have a monopoly on the subject. They are just the most influential beacons for such things in the cluster.
And no, Lyn would really be the last one to suggest that either. Amarr religion is probably the religion that interests her the least, since she already knows a lot about it. Currently, she is completely obsessed by Achur, but if it was Matari religion, she would be glad to learn too.
Thanks for the feedback !
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This is a really nifty idea! Since my phone won't seem to let me vote I just thought I'd say that. I think Dam-Torsad or Saiso III would make for really nifty locations. Given how accessible those topics can be, even for the layman.
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I totally don't mind Origin being on the list, and actually parts of Origin are already publicly accessible venues, even by out of corp members.
This is a really cool idea, and I expect it to go places regardless of where it is held.
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So far glad to read all the answers!
Don't hesitate to give suggestions or what you would actually like to see...
Also, I really would like to see some kind of outcome... I mean, if people can come to present things, it's all well and good, but at the moment I feel that it lacks a little something to bind all this together, and an IC (or even OOC) motivation. I thought of a jury of people that would like in those universal expos, well, select the best contributions but... One, Lyn doesn't see the point of that (though she could be pressured into doing that), and two... Well, I think we could find better ideas.
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I like this idea a lot. It has the potential to be as recurring as the World's Fair itself.
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the outcome could be the addition of new IC technology to the cluster. My corp at least has developed a number of interesting implants, prosthetics, and various technologies for personal and industrial use. They're not the sort of things that will make a huge impact on the overall universe, but we could use it to enrich our RP and shake up the way we view things.
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I love the idea Lyn. If you need any help or support talk to Luna ICly.
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I like this idea a lot. It has the potential to be as recurring as the World's Fair itself.
this +9000
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Ok... So it seems that I have a bit of food for thought now, thanks!
I'll continue to think about it, but the first event will probably be a simple theme. Apparently, there is more interest about trade and culture and art than the rest, which surprises me a bit as I thought a lot of people would vote for tech and science stuff, but that's nice actually to know. Either way, the theme must remain simple and accessible so that it remains easy for people to find nice ideas, nice projects to present. A lot easier than a theme based on knowledge or very abstract things like that.
It is probable then that the first one will happen in Caille, or Yulai. Which also means that those that are not welcome in the venue will certainly not get access because that only makes sense ! But do not fear, there are always ways to get around that, I mean, in Silas parties all the loyalists could still come with alts. Or you find a good excuse to come under disguise or cover, whatever... I don't want to see people left out of it because of that. But I don't want to make it rubbish looking with pirates and enemies of said faction running happily among their baseliners either.
I love the idea Lyn. If you need any help or support talk to Luna ICly.
Thanks! Maybe I will.
The thing is, I will probably need help to... set up things. Or most likely, to have security (=mods), that kind of things. Nothing serious, just being able to cover most TZ.
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Vote. Submit.
Good luck with this. I'll turn out as I can.
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Before I start to launch anything, I want to thank you again for the support and enthusiasm, though I would still like to have an idea if anyone of you are also interested to attend as project exhibitors ? It's the perfect venue to bring up your own little pieces of world building, on your native planet, native culture, or just bringing up cultural projects of various sorts (the more creative, the better anyway).
I'm asking because I would like to make sure I have at least a little base of people interested to provide content or else it would not work obviously.
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+1.
Thank you for putting effort into making this a thing.
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This is a great idea. I imagine to invite corporations to anchor mobile depots in space and invite players to step by in space. Like you would have booths at RL fairs. :)
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This is a great idea. I imagine to invite corporations to anchor mobile depots in space and invite players to step by in space. Like you would have booths at RL fairs. :)
So much this
"Hello, we're 13, and we build t3s. Have a look at our wares, please."
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[..]I would still like to have an idea if anyone of you are also interested to attend as project exhibitors ?
Depending on various factors, including the type of theme, Ché might have something. Best odds he'll actually submit something would be in the Arts category.
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The premiere will probably be on Culture/Art.
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Really cool idea. Sahriah would definitely be interested in quite a few of these. Voted
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It's up (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=425307&find=unread)
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The event will probably get delayed to July at least, or even August. I only have 2 interested players for now, and that is OOCly until they probably find their project ideas...
So I think that people also need time to find interesting ideas, like for SeyCon.
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I published a precise date so that people can organize better.
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Here comes a framework to give out basic ideas, although you are encouraged to find more exotic or innovative stuff if you want to!
[Culture/Race] Examples include Khanid, Jin-Mei, Sebiestor, etc.
-Expo Categories
* Art (dance/fashion/paintings/music/bands/performers)
* Traditions (foods/tales/lore)
* Architecture (new and old)
* Research (culture/race specific, be it social or science, as long as it's tied to culture... this is not a science fair)
* Modern Culture (popular culture/trends)
* Craftwork (traditionnal for example)
Also, even with a few people that told me that they were interested to present something, I have for now only one that is committed ICly and planned... Could you do the same at some point so that we can organize ? It doesn't need to be complete or even started yet...
But since it's in the end of June, better to start planning!
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Postponed to September (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5820275#post5820275)... I can not do otherwise since some participants are unavailable in summer and CVA is doing their ceremony at the exact same date. I don't want both events to divide the attendance...
I hope this will let you more time to organize your little exhibitions!
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september is better for me, ill try to participate
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Still happening! (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5961513#post5961513)
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The event should happen the 19th and 20th of September (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5757609#post5757609). The main presentations and their schedule has yet to be determined due to the lack of exhibitors officially signed up for now... But it will still happen in the evenings of the 19th and 20th probably, around 19:00 to 22:00.
For all of those that manifested an interest OOCly, please don't forget to notify Lyn ICly!
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FYI in case you're wondering what happened to Che's idea concerning this...
Lyn actually (without you knowing about it) discouraged Ché from bringing his expo idea to the fair.
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That's alright... I'm gladthat kind of things can happen.
Maye I ask OOCly what made him change his mind ?
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For people interested to showcase, please remember that it is the perfect opportunities for anyone to share and bring to the intergalactic spotlight something cultural or artistic that hold values not only to them, but to the cluster at large.
As this would have been Ché's first exhibition of this kind, where the value of the work to the cluster at large is unknown to him, he feels that exhibiting in spite of this is arrogant.
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Just a reminder that it is happening next week end!
I also incidentally just noticed that I might need additional mods, especially for the US TZ (EU night time), after the opening saturday, and after the presentations and closing sunday... If anyone is interested to play a GM role in that purpose, which would imply handling security forces in a coherent manner, let me know... Just in case you know.
You don't have necessarily to be part yourself (the character) of the security or whatever... It's just handling it as a GM would.
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I'm very sorry but I have a pre-existing real life commitment this Saturday.
I would have loved to have been a part of this but I suspect I won't have enough time to do it justice.
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It has been postponned to the 26-27th due to various sponsors not being able to attend.
For the sponsors not already registered, please join the mailing list 'N.E.F.1 Caille'... I will need the names of your channels (booths) so that I can link them to the Fair.
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*BUMP* We're getting close! I hope people take advantage of the venue to rp!
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Yes... See you all this week end! If the experiment goes well, I will try to organize other Fairs as well.
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It's starting in one hour, but you can come sooner !
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I was recently directed to this forum and after some time lurking, I have been moved to register in order to say congratulations and thank you to Lyn and the others involved in making this fair happen.
The whole event (so far) has been really well organised and quite fascinating. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to RP with some fascinating people this early in my EVE career.
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Thanks to everyone that showed up... The presence was quite underwhelming, truth to be told, as the Fair was planned rather big and it felt like we were not even 10 people inside a giant castle full of rooms...
But in any case, it is through the work of everyone that we still have, I think, a great work to show, and I hope it will conclude well this evening with all the presentations!
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Yeah, sadly, real life kept me from even just visiting this.
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