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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Casiella on 18 Oct 2010, 15:21
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I wanted to riff a little on Ulphus's comment (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1243.msg14845#msg14845):
Not everyone plays this game just for the PvP, and making that assumption without finding out if this person is one of them might drive her off.
It's a truism that lots of folks don't play EVE for the PVP (though I firmly believe that everyone in EVE should at least understand it). So why do you play? Alternately, why did you, and why don't you now?
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Thanks for creating an anchoring bias with how you framed the question, Casi :P
I play for roleplay. A lot more of it can be done in this setting and with this set of mechanics than elsewhere; a lot more of it can be clever what with the lack of different species among the playerbase to prevent the senseless xenocentric mess that dumbs such things down in many other settings. Sadly, there's plenty of other sources of silly bullshit, but what can you do.
I used to play for more than that, but it takes kind of a lot to motivate me to engage with the mechanics these days, what with the UI having the texture and odor of shit about it and the springboards for escapism being divorced rather severely from the crunch.
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I wanted to riff a little on Ulphus's comment (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1243.msg14845#msg14845):
Not everyone plays this game just for the PvP, and making that assumption without finding out if this person is one of them might drive her off.
It's a truism that lots of folks don't play EVE for the PVP (though I firmly believe that everyone in EVE should at least understand it). So why do you play? Alternately, why did you, and why don't you now?
Used to play for two main reasons
1) Corp/RP
2) The market
1) Really liked/like my corp throughout its iterations of DELEO/AFC I. It was an awesome atmosphere where we could live out the 'Ammatar parody' as we saw it, embracing contrasting elements of totalitarianism, fascism, communism, questionable morality, pseudo-religiosity and anti-heroism (and admittedly a bit of personality cult at one time). Indeed, we continue to define our Ammatar idea on our forum even though we don't function as a corporation at the current time.
2) The market. Making bags of isk and 'social networking' across 2-3 characters to get very competitive supply deals. Made isk selling enemy-made hardware to allies, enemy-made hardware to other enemies, central plan hardware to enemies, manipulating enemy territory secondary hubs, seeding mini-hubs...and vice versa. It made a large contribution towards our station purchase. The RP involved in getting these deals was great fun, particularly under the guise of Mr Maikko Tastalahtien at a time :lol:
Previously used to play for PvP, but got tired of it as I found it required a lot of time and effort for an objective that was not worthwhile.
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The RP involved in getting these deals was great fun, particularly under the guise of Mr Maikko Tastalahtien at a time :lol:
Maikko was you? HEH.
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Thanks for creating an anchoring bias with how you framed the question, Casi :P
It was all I could do not to editorialize completely. ;)
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1. Internet spaceships
2. Internet heists
3. internet piracy
4. internet evil
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The way I see it, EVE players fall into two groups:
1) Those who see EVE as a RPG and their character is important. (Generally, this audience)
2) Those who see EVE as a chess-like strategy game and play accordingly. (The LOLrp audience)
Obviously, there are variations, and this is a massive generalisation.
Nullsec politics and the big alliances out there seem largely to be the second group.
As for me, I play for RP. When I first joined, I joined a corp made entirely of people I knew in real life. We all called each other by our real names and carebeared around Dodixie. Then didn't play a lot until I joined the ILF and the RP revitalised the game for me.
I like PVP, and I can even tolerate missions again, because the RP makes the game fun. Without it, I wouldn't be that interested, frankly. The game itself, however good, isn't enough.
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The RP involved in getting these deals was great fun, particularly under the guise of Mr Maikko Tastalahtien at a time :lol:
OH MY GOD!! I loved Maik. I also feel like an idiot now, because I always tried to help Maik, because I thought he was a rookie :-(
I guess you RPed it too well!!
I played the game for trade. I know it is ultimately meaningless, but there was a time when I used to use my ISK balance as a metric of success, like a scoreboard. I used to really enjoy it, particularly on days when I made A LOT.
However, that all started because I wanted a Nightmare. When I first started, I just wanted to be able to access the cool ships, and I thought the Nightmare was the coolest. Then I got the nightmare, and just wanted to earn more.
These days I've kinda come full circle. Now I want to fly new ships.
Being part of a good corp, with good people is also important to me. I like logging in and knowing I'm in a corp that means something. That is where RP comes in, I think.
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Played it for the economic and political influences one could make in a dynamic single shard server.
Then I joined Moira, and have done utterly little PvP. Now I can only RP because my computer went kaputt.
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(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6292/1253047829990.jpg)
This, basically.
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Curious thing
I came to eve to travel the "vastness" of space, in the same way wing commander showed this huge universe with hundreds of solar systems and planets.
It was an MMO that provided the ability to travel freely and discover....
Today i mostly play it for the market/social and PvP aspects though. RP being part of the social aspect.
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I play EVE because the PVP is top notch...it's still the only video game that can leave me winded and shaky after a fight...but that's all just a bonus.
It's mainly because of the scope of the playing field.
Everyone I know plays MMOs, and they all talk about funny or awesome moments within them, the asshats they meet, and the conflicts present. I let them all finish. Then I give them the latest from EVE.
Most of them at any gathering don't believe me. They 'pshhaw' and think I'm showing them up, until some of the more learned of the group invariably say "Yeah, I hear shit like that about EVE all the time. It's more hardcore than any of you."
I watch my roommates and best friends play their WoW and AION and Lineage and Age of Conan. We all run guilds and websites and ventrillos, we're all RPers, but I see the day to day stuff in their play, and I can't help but feel like an F1 driver watching a go-cart race. Running a corp in EVE is nothing like it, and doing RP in EVE is a whole other beast.
Mainly, it's a maturity level. Stupid roleplayers in other games get bogged down in whiney he said-she said bullshit that is just plain retarded. Sure, it happens in EVE too, but when a friend asks off-hand for some advice with a problem member, my responses of "Take their shit, kick them from your guilds, start a campaign with your fighters, hire some mercs for timezone coverage, and drive them from the face of your realm" fall on shocked ears. "Oh, sure, that's how you'd do it in EVE..."
And sure, I'm talking all big and tough here, but it works on the other end too. Who am I in EVE? If someone with real power wanted me destroyed? I would be hunted, watching my every move. When I'm out and about on my lonesome on various projects around New Eden, I know I have enemies, and I am not some invincible juggernaut. Anyone with a brain, some patience, or just a fleet and some luck can put me out of commission. That lone frigate pilot with a set of balls can happen upon me and wreck my entire day. I can never let my guard down. A healthy level of paranoia makes for an extra-long clone-life....and it's nothing like any other game that coddles you with safety, that removes that rush of 'making it another day'.
Because EVE is the only place you can do anything besides inconvenience someone with a long respawn.
EvE is not just P-v-P.
Player vs Player is an idea with attached ideas of consent and 'harassment'.
Everyone vs Everyone is a whole other dish, and if you can't handle it, you're booted out on your ass.
E-v-E is EVE.
And no matter how many times I get sick of it, I always end up back, because nothing else comes close. Looking at the long-term projects of the gaming industry, nothing will come close for many years. MMOs are frightened creatures from birth, wrapping their players in bubble-wrap, and shoving them into instanced, pre-written content with no consequence to anyone. When that content runs out, and the grind peaks in a certain set of gear or 'levels', then the game is completed.
You cannot complete EVE.
I play EVE because gaming as a whole is too pussified to do any better.
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I used to think that I didn't play Eve for the pvp. I have never shot another player. I've been caught in a bubble once (made it out unharmed) and that's really it. I spend a little time in nullsec every week, a little less in low. I've missioned more than everything else combined. I've invested a lot of skillpoints in RnD and in Science & Industry more generally.
But then, when I managed to finally get in on a Sansha event, I remember people complaining about Izzychan being in local and them saying 'well, nothing we can do, don't want to get CONCORD'ed' and I thought 'why hasn't she been wardecced?!' And I nearly decced her that day, before realizing I'd probably never make it to another incursion (and I haven't since). That's when I realized that while I may not be a pvper, I like playing a game where meaningful pvp is a daily reality.
It means I have to think before I mouth off on the forums, and that other people have to do so too. It means that setbacks are a real possibility, and that running through low/null sec is an exciting experience, where moving through most pvp zones in other games is just annoying.
I like the pvp universe. I like the single shard enviroment. I like the setting. I like the rp. I like the level of immersion the game provides. And honestly, I like the ships.
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Grae-grae, can I interest you in some black-tar heroin?
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About sixteen months ago I read an article about the multi-trillion ISK EBANK heist and was surprised to find "that spaceship MMO" was still out there and apparently thriving. This got me on a sci-fi game kick, but I frankly didn't want to sink a hundred hours into X3: Terran Conflict just to end up with a great big space empire that I could show off to... all the NPCs in X3.
I figured EVE offered the same spaceship fun but in a MMO/sandbox game where there were other people to play with. I could zoom around and shoot layzors or whatever it was that you did in EVE for a couple weeks to sate my craving... I shortly discovered that whether you win or lose, every action and event in EVE matters on some level. What was more, the EBANK thing didn't break the game. Sure, it broke the EULA, and the perpetrator was banned from EVE, but the victims had little recourse. If he hadn't sold all that ISK for cash, he'd still be in the game today and maybe the richest bastard of them all. Though not a perfect example, EBANK highlighted the peril that underlines all EVE gameplay no matter how long you've been at it.
What was going on in this game?
Apparently, in EVE you could accomplish relatively little on your own, but at the same time could trust no one. Risk, treachery, and loss were business as usual. Success depended on RL skill. Twitch and time only got you so far in EVE (and not all that far tbh). True windfall and true annihilation were possible and protected by the game rules. So I got hooked because "Being Istvaan" was a real and viable profession yet somehow there were still functioning corporations out there consisting of hundreds of people. Internet spaceships, yea I got that, okay. Check out these internet cutthroat politics played out on a permanent knife-edge in deep space.
When I discovered that the same rules extended to the RP side of things, that you could do all that stuff in-character, and that the story was so carefully crafted (and continues to be) by the developers and enriched by the players, I realized I was here for the long-term.
Ken <3 EVE
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Graelyn, i gotta say it, the description you gave by far surpasses any of the futile attemps i've heard before about the experience of the player in this simulated universe.
Is quite difficult to explain to non players PvP in this game is indeed the Everyone vs Everyone scenario you describe. EvE at everytime on any level using every tool......live it and get hooked.
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[ 2009.08.12 16:31:42 ] XnS dVd > "Who's Scagga" asks Maikko
[ 2009.08.12 16:31:54 ] Qing Jou > ...
[ 2009.08.12 16:31:59 ] Qing Jou > lawl
[ 2009.08.12 16:32:16 ] Qing Jou > /emote lieks to laff
[ 2009.08.12 16:32:18 ] XnS dVd > They sound alike no?
[ 2009.08.12 16:32:38 ] Maikko Tastalahtien > I blame the hormones
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:06 ] XnS dVd > How long've you been playing EVE Maikko?
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:30 ] Maikko Tastalahtien > about a week
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:30 ] Qing Jou > I haven't heard Scagga on voice, so I wouldn't know.
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:40 ] Qing Jou > But they do talk alike, methinks.
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:44 ] KillJoy Tseng > Scagga was *awesome* on voice
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:54 ] XnS dVd > He's like.. a deeper raspier Maikko
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:00 ] XnS dVd > /emote shivers
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:08 ] Ladel Teravada > Cazzir of CAIN beats everyone
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:09 ] XnS dVd > I'd hate to hear that voice tell me I have cancer...
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:10 ] Qing Jou > But Maikko already sounds deep as fuck.
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:13 ] Maikko Tastalahtien > my claim to faim then
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:19 ] Qing Jou > Manlier than Master Tseng O.o;
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:43 ] Ladel Teravada > Never heard him ever raise his voice or get excited.. just calm, collected and with a husky male voice.
[ 2009.08.12 16:35:01 ] XnS dVd > Yess... you have... a... tumor... but... Don't worry.... it's not... terminal.... ... .. Muahahaha haaa! *ahem*
[ 2009.08.12 16:35:11 ] Qing Jou > LAdel... yes, that's Maikko as well, apparently.
[ 2009.08.12 16:36:15 ] Qing Jou > He's supremely calm... monotone, despite being pleased with getting courier missions.
[ 2009.08.12 16:36:42 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > Zagamesh is like that
[ 2009.08.12 16:36:44 ] XnS dVd > Ah, pardon my terminology, Scagga is a huskier Maikko
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/me misses King
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My stepsons actually introduced me to Eve. They were in high school at the time and played for Pew Pew. They told me the PVP was easier to learn than World of Warcraft (at which I had previously proven myself totally inept). I made a trial account with some vague notion of being a space pirate and set out on my adventure.
I learned very quickly that I wasn't very good at PVP, but I did enjoy mission running. If I hadn't found the RP scene, though I would have been done in a short time.
Even during periods when I haven't had a lot of time to "play" Eve, I've managed to remain somewhat active through forum RP and by writing Eve-related fiction.
To quote the Blind Melon song, "It rips my life away and it's a great escape."
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Thx Bruno. :)
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[ 2009.08.12 16:31:42 ] XnS dVd > "Who's Scagga" asks Maikko
[ 2009.08.12 16:31:54 ] Qing Jou > ...
[ 2009.08.12 16:31:59 ] Qing Jou > lawl
[ 2009.08.12 16:32:16 ] Qing Jou > /emote lieks to laff
[ 2009.08.12 16:32:18 ] XnS dVd > They sound alike no?
[ 2009.08.12 16:32:38 ] Maikko Tastalahtien > I blame the hormones
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:06 ] XnS dVd > How long've you been playing EVE Maikko?
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:30 ] Maikko Tastalahtien > about a week
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:30 ] Qing Jou > I haven't heard Scagga on voice, so I wouldn't know.
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:40 ] Qing Jou > But they do talk alike, methinks.
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:44 ] KillJoy Tseng > Scagga was *awesome* on voice
[ 2009.08.12 16:33:54 ] XnS dVd > He's like.. a deeper raspier Maikko
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:00 ] XnS dVd > /emote shivers
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:08 ] Ladel Teravada > Cazzir of CAIN beats everyone
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:09 ] XnS dVd > I'd hate to hear that voice tell me I have cancer...
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:10 ] Qing Jou > But Maikko already sounds deep as fuck.
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:13 ] Maikko Tastalahtien > my claim to faim then
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:19 ] Qing Jou > Manlier than Master Tseng O.o;
[ 2009.08.12 16:34:43 ] Ladel Teravada > Never heard him ever raise his voice or get excited.. just calm, collected and with a husky male voice.
[ 2009.08.12 16:35:01 ] XnS dVd > Yess... you have... a... tumor... but... Don't worry.... it's not... terminal.... ... .. Muahahaha haaa! *ahem*
[ 2009.08.12 16:35:11 ] Qing Jou > LAdel... yes, that's Maikko as well, apparently.
[ 2009.08.12 16:36:15 ] Qing Jou > He's supremely calm... monotone, despite being pleased with getting courier missions.
[ 2009.08.12 16:36:42 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > Zagamesh is like that
[ 2009.08.12 16:36:44 ] XnS dVd > Ah, pardon my terminology, Scagga is a huskier Maikko
Bless Maikko.
2009.12.18 18:23:00
Victim: Maikko Tastalahtien
Corp: Lonetrek Trusted Sources
Alliance: NONE
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Bustard
System: Jita
Security: 0.9
Damage Taken: 9251
Involved parties:
Name: Dec V (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.8
Corp: Black Omega Security
Alliance: Pandemic Legion
Faction: NONE
Ship: Tempest
Weapon: 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II
Damage Done: 9251
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II
Inertia Stabilizers II, Qty: 2
Giant Secure Container (Cargo)
Invulnerability Field II, Qty: 35 (In Container)
Signal Amplifier II, Qty: 30 (In Container)
Light Electron Blaster II, Qty: 40 (In Container)
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Qty: 35 (In Container)
Large Armor Repairer II, Qty: 19 (In Container)
Light Ion Blaster II, Qty: 100 (In Container)
Light Neutron Blaster II, Qty: 50 (In Container)
Large Shield Booster II, Qty: 30 (In Container)
Large Shield Extender II, Qty: 50 (In Container)
Giant Secure Container (Cargo)
Scorch M, Qty: 100 (In Container)
Conflagration S, Qty: 25 (In Container)
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M, Qty: 70 (In Container)
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Qty: 30 (In Container)
Tracking Disruptor II, Qty: 25 (In Container)
Siege Missile Launcher II, Qty: 25 (In Container)
Conflagration L, Qty: 30 (In Container)
Small Capacitor Booster II, Qty: 50 (In Container)
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 20000 (In Container)
Conflagration M, Qty: 25 (In Container)
Small Shield Extender II, Qty: 50 (In Container)
Scorch S, Qty: 100 (In Container)
Medium Pulse Laser II, Qty: 25 (In Container)
Scorch L, Qty: 50 (In Container)
Small Armor Repairer II, Qty: 60 (In Container)
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II, Qty: 20 (In Container)
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M, Qty: 30000 (In Container)
Dropped items:
Shield Boost Amplifier I
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L, Qty: 20000 (Cargo)
Large Shield Booster II
Giant Secure Container (Cargo)
Signal Distortion Amplifier II, Qty: 30 (In Container)
125mm Railgun II, Qty: 50 (In Container)
Armor Explosive Hardener II, Qty: 30 (In Container)
Adaptive Nano Plating II, Qty: 100 (In Container)
Tracking Enhancer II, Qty: 38 (In Container)
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Qty: 40 (In Container)
Cap Recharger II, Qty: 200 (In Container)
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Qty: 100 (In Container)
1MN MicroWarpdrive II, Qty: 50 (In Container)
1MN Afterburner II, Qty: 35 (In Container)
Giant Secure Container (Cargo)
Ballistic Deflection Field II, Qty: 40 (In Container)
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Qty: 25 (In Container)
200mm AutoCannon II, Qty: 100 (In Container)
Damage Control II, Qty: 35 (In Container)
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II, Qty: 60 (In Container)
Sensor Booster II, Qty: 35 (In Container)
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Qty: 30 (In Container)
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Qty: 20 (In Container)
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Qty: 25 (In Container)
150mm Railgun II, Qty: 40 (In Container)
Multi Sensor Backup Array II, Qty: 10 (In Container)
Heat Sink II, Qty: 35 (In Container)
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 60 (In Container)
Modulated Strip Miner II, Qty: 25 (In Container)
Heat Dissipation Field II, Qty: 10 (In Container)
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Qty: 20 (In Container)
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Just saw this thread.
No shit, no chest beating, simple answer.
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1260.0
Been wanting to do that to someone since I signed up. To do it to Viper makes 4 years of EVE worth paying for.
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Just saw this thread.
No shit, no chest beating, simple answer.
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1260.0
Been wanting to do that to someone since I signed up. To do it to Viper makes 4 years of EVE worth paying for.
Nice read.
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Two reasons. The RP I find is this game is second to no other video game I have ever played. End of story. I've made attempts to RP on other games, but most don't support it at all, or the mechanics don't support it. Like Warcraft (I heard you groan) when you get into a general tiff with someone, their technically an "ally", no matter what. So murdering them is out of the question. This is always a problem. The more you can get away with in the mechanics of the game, the better this game can foster RP I think.
Second. The fighting. I don't consider myself more then an average PvPer right now. (Takes the whole population into account). But when I do pull off that one kill, that one fight, you feel it. The adrenaline rush from dueling a slicer in a taranis and winning with you being on FIRE is awesome, and will never stop being awesome. And killing dumb people will never stop being funny.
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Being a 2006 player, I have gone through quite a few reasons as to why I play Eve Online. There have been times where I played for just very specific things but when those burned out, so did I. My first character existed for nothing but pvp but when my alliance succumbed in the BoB/Goon war and I faced podding after podding even by my own side I rage quit and deleted my first character.
2007 my opinion of the game changed and I came back for different reasons. Through the years I have come and gone but have seem to find an understanding of why I play this game. I play for the vast universe in which concequences are real, so as are the rewards. I play for the universe where while nothing is truly safe, I can come to be with others who have imperialistic idealations even from the meekest of miners.
You do not need to be a solid PvPer in order to leave a corpse trail across the stars in Eve Online, you can do it simply by making the isk and controlling real people through various means and measures to accomplish tasks for you. If for example someone wishes to wardec my corporation to hurt our high security space logistics and younger player base, I simply get a mercenary/pirate corporation to hammer them so solidly as to remove them as a danger.
However as easy as I make that sound, things can and will go wrong in the execution of many things. There is no assured easy path in Eve Online. I enjoy the risks and rewards both in pvp and pve. The combination of them both in high security space and wormhole space can spice things up and I find a certain relish in these at this time. But should things change for me again, there is a vast already existing universe where my actions and the effect I have on others will impact on a scale unprecented in any other MMORPG.
Oh and did I mention the market? No? Well it can be my virtual crack at times. There is just nothing so complex and life like than the actions that goes on in the markets of Eve Online. I really look forward to having faction ships on the market for example.... nom nom nom.
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Like Lyta I have gone through a few different phases in EVE and without going into a huge amount of detail (like I was originally going to do but reconsidered :P)...
I spent the first year and half learning the game and making friends with my first real corp, we PvP'd, missioned and mined as a group and collectively learnt the game with my original character. I eventually rose the role of Director of PvP - something that I still covet as the people I met there I respect greatly
After that I went on a PvP rampage with my new character (Math'ra!) and taught myself the ins and outs of basic PvP and had an absolute blast doing so, by far and above the most fun I have had in this game, and some of the best memories of epic duels and outnumbered fights that I still remember and enjoy.
Advancing on from there I realised the way I had setup my original character had made him mostly useless without another year of hard training, in a rage I sold him for a vast sum of ISK and moved to Amarrian space and spent alot of time learning to PvE and the advances of T2 stuffz over T1, Especially in missions!!
Soon after that I delved into RP, largely thanks to none of than Ethan Verone, his backstories completely awed me and inspired me to get into RP, and since then I have been playing almost entirely for the community, friend and RP that is the most entertaining aspect of this immense game.
This is why I love EVE so much, the fact that the friends I have made here are some of the best I will ever know, and that the story is so deep and rich but with alot of room for the players to delve into and create a more complete world.
Thats why I play EVE :)
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I don't really know why i play it. It's the first game i think is worth paying for. I would say mostly player based economy, background history, big freedom of choice to do what I want + some of your answers.
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Mostly for the RP, now. But PVP, industry and social interaction comes into play too.
I have only two RL friends, and they have both played this game. While one has been with me here for the entire run, the other recently returned. And while our current corporation have not been the most active one for this past year, our work has aimed to lay the foundation for an organization we feel will last – all we need now is to actively come back and get to work doing what we do.
On regard to the RP, as most others have pointed out this game's options for RP will simply not be bested by any other game unless said game's developers are brilliant beyond the scope of CCP's work here. That's not to terribly likely to happen...
I currently own several characters, and only one of them currently exist with no RP background to speak off. As soon as I manage to come up with one that I'm happy with in regards for what shes done all this time, she will have one too. As for the others, they all embody personalities, quirks, ideas and desires that I have wanted to explore in RP. They all exist for those different avenues of RP fun, simply because no single character I'd ever make could explore all of them without changing corps and ideals all the time and that... would ruin it, at least to me.
At this point, as far as my 'main' (my oldest character. I don't like the idea of alts, I think of these all as my 'toons' and treat them accordingly) is concerned he will stay in his current corp along with my seconds oldest toon, the others... well, the only one in a player corp not controlled by myself know who they are, and so will any CEO whose corp I happen to join.
In short, I play to explore the lives of my toons, their actions, reactions, desires, goals and events in their lives. It's been a lot of fun so far, and I'm not the most active player, even. Industry, warfare... whatever they end up doing, I will do. All I need is more time, always more time...
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It's a truism that lots of folks don't play EVE for the PVP (though I firmly believe that everyone in EVE should at least understand it). So why do you play? Alternately, why did you, and why don't you now?
I play for lots of reasons.
Some days I play for the PvE. A relaxing evening while brain dead after work, not having to think to hard, seeing the isk rack up...
Some days I play for the PvP. Chasing pirates around lowsec, or wardeccing people and camping them into highsec station. Occasional explosions, mine and theirs. I have a love hate relationship with the intense PvP - the shakes and heart-pounding don't come nearly so often as they used to, and I don't like it in advance, but afterwards I really do. *shrug*
Some days I play for the casual RP. Meeting people, learning about them, sharing conversation.
A lot of days I play for the people. The ones in my corp and alliance, and the ones that are outside that that I talk to, both IC and OOC.
Hanging out in IC Corp chat listening to the latest drama about various corp mates. Bar RP listening to friends talk about their new loves or failing relationships, broken hearts and bitter histories (I feel so old sometimes - I remember doing exactly this sort of stuff 20 years ago at parties IRL.) The IC channels where we try to organise alliance or corp stuff coming from the point of view of our characters rather than the players. The places where I try to RP a person with the basic world-view that kin and the clan are important, and that believing this is normal, even when other people have very different ideas. The slow build up of relationships over months that allow one cryptic comment to be exactly the right thing to say in a situation, but impossible without the shared history of normality. The web of relationships that become more real the longer you have them.
Shooting the shit on OOC or Red's District or the various EM OOC channels; mispronouncing Saisa as Sisal just to hear Kohiko laugh OOC while being dreadfully polite IC; hearing how people's day went, giving them pretend beer to get through the heat waves or floods. Having someone to gripe with about work; rolling eyes at Bacch's epeen, the RK people saying "Nobody will fight us - waaa - just cos we have supercapitals, it's not fair!", gently poking fun at Esna "No really, Ulf should talk with Esna IC, he'd see Esna isn't that bad!", occasionally infuriating Miz (occasionally taking her bad advice) ... It's a community. It's a bunch of people who are interesting, frustrating, different, the same. Just people. But once you get to know them, it's another tie to the game.
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In Order:
- RP
- PvP
- RP
- Save the world from evil
- :bash:
- RP
In all seriousness I play EvE to RP now, I played since 04 and during Beta and everything got boring after a few years of pewpewing people over and over. I cannot stand PvE never stuck with me, only reason I PvE now is to grind standings for RP purposes.
I like the "good" guy thing my alliance and the few others are attempting to do is one of the main reasons I still play, so little even try to enforce the ideals of doing good and not expecting anything in return.. suppose most see it as a weakness in the harsh gameplay of EvE. In the end it gives us a challenge to do the impossible :)
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Because I'm obsessed with Jade.
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I enjoy character interaction, and my best experiences have been in EVE. The building, occasional pvp combat, missions, and exploration are fun diversions when opportunities are scarce. When I was a CEO, building my corporation and developing my commmunity was a fun adventure, but not as appealing any longer. Too much effort for my relaxed, casual gaming attitude. :D
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Because it's the game I mesh best with. The people (when you find your niche) are great, the setting is stimulating, the RP is engaging and all-pervasive, there's actual political and societal intrigue, conflict and interaction, warfare and the market are realistically attached, the mechanics of the game itself make an instinctive level of sense to me, and there seems to be no end in sight to what I can do, ICly and OOCly, if I so choose and have the determination to see it through.
Oh, and there's fucking spaceship battles. In fucking space.
Don't worry, I'll develop bittervet symptoms soon enough. >>
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1. Primarily the PvP.
2. I love seeing the results of my actions - both minor and major - reverberate in the game world.
3. The politics of the game (both on the major and minor levels) are occasionally thoroughly enjoyable.
4. The game is filled with interesting characters (ie. the players and not necessarily at all in the RP sense of the word).
5. The community makes (or at least used to make) awesome videos.
No, really. Those are it, including the utterly moronic number five. The RP doesn't factor in. I kind of RP in every game. It isn't what pulls me in. It's what happens after I'm pulled in.
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I am currently subbed. Haven't actually done anything other than sort stuff out, train skills, and get ganked by suicide smartbombers in Pator.
The question for me is really: "Why do you never fully escape from Eve?"
Answer: "Because no one has made anything to compete with it."
I wonder just how complacent CCP are without any credible competition.
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1.) the community has a history and a sense of identity, even if its a fucked up, evil, aggressive identity
2.) many of the people Ive met are surprisingly smart, interesting and social people (for the interwebs), moreover, the players are smart and ruthless, which means youre always challenged a bit
3.) PVP has meaning, losses hurt, if youre complacent you die, can still get an occasional rush
4.) while im not a huge, huge fan of the gameworld, its unique and varied enough that its fun to tinker with
5.) RPing in a single-shard MMO is a unique opportunity unlike anything else out there
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The RP is great and there's very little stigma attached to the tag.
PvP in the game means something. You get killed, you don't just respawn and move on as if nothing happened, you die in a fire and lose everything. Unless you scoop the stuff.
A few months ago, I did PvP in my 1bil ISK Worm and lost it. If this was any other game, I would've kept my favourite toy and gone on as if nothing happened, but this is EVE and it didn't work out that way. I miss my bunny. <3
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To crush your enemies, see them driven them before you and hear the lamentations of their women....
On a more serious note its the diversity that makes it for me.
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SPACE SHIPS!
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I don't anymore, but when I did, it was for the simple fact that I am an arrogant, schizophrenic, narcissistic, horrible human being who loves hearing minds break trying to understand my incomprehensible writing.
I do however love understanding things. Like Jamyl's Telepathy.
Oh forget it, I liked the storyline, plain and simple. ;)