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Title: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 08 Apr 2013, 14:15
IMO this sort of thing is pretty weak RP.

Nearly all of our text RP channels are RP'd as audio.  If I type the word 'fantastic' incorrectly and this is pointed out IC, it doesn't even make sense? You think that's English we're reading on the IGS?

Likewise synonym or other mistakes could use a little handwavium from some people.

Chalk it up to your translator, or chalk it up to poor OOC typing.

If I can get your meaning I'm going to respond to -that- and not if you've typed a few wrong keys ooc for chrissake.


Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: lallara zhuul on 08 Apr 2013, 14:19
Some people like roleplaying people that like to nitpick?
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 08 Apr 2013, 14:21
If it's something that doesn't actually muddy the water, I agree.

On the other hand, someone using the wrong word entirely (or one that doesn't make sense in the assumed context of the statement), I consider those fair game depending on the context - for example, someone Morwen was talking to used a word in a case that made absolutely no sense, but given the things going on with the character in question it actually made more sense to poke at the use of the wrong word than to let it slide.

Typos that make it impossible to read and understand what you're writing are going to get pointed out IC and OOC by most, because it's a little difficult to RP with someone when iovn asevilvg vfl vlkv vetiubpomvi lituvaea aeivha.

You get the idea.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Anslol on 08 Apr 2013, 14:22
iovn asevilvg vfl vlkv vetiubpomvi lituvaea aeivha.

Oh I'm having a lovely day actually Morwen. Thanks for asking!

On topic, +1 to Silas.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 08 Apr 2013, 14:28
I assume our fancy space tech universal translators can deal with all but the most -egregious- of typing and speech errors.

This shit irks me ooc to no end. 

I'll happily lose IC arguments on content and merit all the livelong day. Have been schooled and will continue to be schooled on many occasions. 

Grammar points aren't worth spit in a battle of rhetoric and ideas.

Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 08 Apr 2013, 14:35
Some people like roleplaying people that like to nitpick?

That's part of my problem is that what are they even nitpicking IC?  It's an AUDIO channel most of the time.

We're not even reading/ writing or speaking English IC.  Picking on grammar and spelling of all things just doesn't translate into RP well at all when you consider those things.

Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Lyn Farel on 08 Apr 2013, 14:37
It's annoying when you are not even an english native, for sure. Or better to ban most non english natives out of RP altogether, simpler that way.

Otherwise I don't care much honestly. I blame the media ICly, translator, fluid router, whatever. It's a perfectly viable excuse. Most players do it.

Edit : What annoys me a little more is when people actually start to nitpick on a wrong choice of words (lexical mistake). It happens a lot for me and as much as I try to correct it, it's overwhelmingly embarrassing. Fortunately I have found that it actually can fit to the character that can sometimes use alien wordings, but hell. It's a lot less stressful when told OOC before.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silver Night on 08 Apr 2013, 14:44
It's annoying when you are not even an english native, for sure. Or better to ban most non english natives out of RP altogether, simpler that way.

Otherwise I don't care much honestly. I blame the media ICly, translator, fluid router, whatever. It's a perfectly viable excuse. Most players do it.

Edit : What annoys me a little more is when people actually start to nitpick on a wrong choice of words (lexical mistake). It happens a lot for me and as much as I try to correct it, it's overwhelmingly embarrassing. Fortunately I have found that it actually can fit to the character that can sometimes use alien wordings, but hell. It's a lot less stressful when told OOC before.

What would be your preferred way of being informed, if someone was going to let you know you were using a word wrong? Evemail? Something private and OOC like that?
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Lyn Farel on 08 Apr 2013, 14:49
OOC friendly way of telling me would be better yes. Sometimes people do it and it is appreciated.

I don't care if characters go for the low hanging fruit, if that is part of what they are as characters, though.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Karmilla Strife on 08 Apr 2013, 15:08
I'm sure I've done it before, but I agree that it can be a low blow to call out characters for spelling. After extensive RP with non-native English speakers, I've just grown used to misspellings and the occasional misused word. If there's something that is terribly confusing, I usually ask OOC for a clarification. I've also noticed that in RP, I try to type faster in order to keep the flow of the RP going. Especially in a venue like the summit where taking your time with a response can mean you're responding to something different by the time you enter the text. Even as an English speaker, this causes me to make a lot more typos than normal. Also, no spell-check in eve... :cry:
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 08 Apr 2013, 15:14
^^^

Keeping up with conversation in real time by typing is hard hard work.  I'm usually working full time trying to brain vomit something appropriate IC and grammar takes a severe back seat. 

I've RPd with people who take 6 years to type the. perfect. sentence. every time in a chat setting and it can be incredibly frustrating.  I also think a little real time pressure keeps you on your toes with more 'real' responses. 
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silver Night on 08 Apr 2013, 15:16
It can be problematic, in that it can hit your credibility if you have pervasive typos etc, people will tend to take you less seriously. That's a separate problem from people deciding they need to correct you publicly and IC, ofc.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Ché Biko on 08 Apr 2013, 15:47
I mosty let typos and such slide, especially if the person regularly makes them.
But if I don't understand what is being said because of it, or if it's so funny I can't resist, then I will treat it as if the word was spoken that way IC, but only if that makes sense phonetically. Words sometimes come out of your mouth heavily mutilated IRL too. Sometimes, the person making the mistake does acknowledge the mistake, or "mispronunciation" IC before I even considered doing so. Sometimes I also acknowledge my mistakes, usually preceeded by a "/me clears throat > Ahem.."

While were on the subject, I can sometimes be one of the perfectionists Silas talks about, but fortunatly, I notice my many, many mistakes about a second after I press enter. I'm really not as bad at english as it seems, but I suck at accurate speed typing, especially when in busy channels or when adjusting part of a sentence and then posting it before reading the whole sentence again.
Fortunatly, people rarely point it out, so it's not really an issue for me. :cube:
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Vaun Erryk on 08 Apr 2013, 15:55
Using typos (or the fact that somebody's mother tongue isn't English) to try and win an RP argument, IG or on the IGS, is pretty fucking poor form, IMO. Particularly egregious is when a condescending grammar-correction post comes along, itself riddled with mistakes. If you're going to go for such low-hanging fruit, as the OP elegantly put it, without your own post being absolutely beyond reproach, Christ.

"Hah, you made a typo! What a berk you are, and I can use this to score RP points!" irritates me, but nowhere near on the same level as "hah you made a typo, what a berk you are and i can use this to scroe RP points".
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Graelyn on 08 Apr 2013, 16:25
Ah, roleplayers.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Sepherim on 08 Apr 2013, 18:40
I've suffered the same thing before, but I'm always happy to have that reply: it means my argument wins, and my oponent has nothing left to say on the subject. And I like winning as much as anyone else. xD

But if you need IC explanations for the voice corrections, you can always say it's a matter of accent or pronountiation or something like that.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Lithium Flower on 08 Apr 2013, 20:12
I never considered "winning arguments" as part of RP. For me, RP is more study how my and other characters will act in different situations and answer to different questions. Will they go along with another characters or will go against them? "Winning arguments" is practically impossible, and when you try... well, you can think for yourself. I have told already several characters, that I was completely not interested in "winning" against them  ;)

I can say that actual winning arguments is a part of my job, and it assumes collecting real facts and proofs that can be verified. It is part of coming to understanding of how things works and both parties are interested in it. In roleplay this is not about making experiments and obtaining solid facts, but rather clash of ideas and views from different characters. Some characters can be soft and accept everything you say to them, others are stubborn and stiff like logs and will reflect all your words like tennis balls. But in the end they all are right.

As for the topic itself, I'm terribly sorry, because I feel myself as one of source of these situations. Luckily there are numerous online spell checkers and dictionaries, but it can be sometimes too hard to figure out proper word usage. Sometimes I just rely on my intuition without verifying what I write, and this is what I do wrong! Sorry again, I'll try to work harder~~
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: DeadRow on 09 Apr 2013, 07:14
It's a shitty way to try and win tbh.

Personally if their spelling in so bad I can't understand them I ask for them to repeat to try and give them a chance in case it was a brain derp (I get them a lot :D).
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Synthia on 09 Apr 2013, 10:49
if character A continually spells character B's name wrong, I think B calling them on spelling IC, is reasonable.

Normally, I don't correct my own spelling, on the occasions that I type something wrongly (usually because of being distracted, or from not pressing a key as firmly as I thought - more than one occasion I've hit the key with my nail, not my finger)
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Sepherim on 09 Apr 2013, 11:05
I never considered "winning arguments" as part of RP. For me, RP is more study how my and other characters will act in different situations and answer to different questions. Will they go along with another characters or will go against them? "Winning arguments" is practically impossible, and when you try... well, you can think for yourself. I have told already several characters, that I was completely not interested in "winning" against them  ;)

I can say that actual winning arguments is a part of my job, and it assumes collecting real facts and proofs that can be verified. It is part of coming to understanding of how things works and both parties are interested in it. In roleplay this is not about making experiments and obtaining solid facts, but rather clash of ideas and views from different characters. Some characters can be soft and accept everything you say to them, others are stubborn and stiff like logs and will reflect all your words like tennis balls. But in the end they all are right.

I agree, but my char is one who likes to win debates as much as I do. That's a part of myself that got poured into him. xD So both things aren't incompatible, while I focus on the RP, on how he would react to this event or that opinion, who he relates to, what he does... he ends up debating publicly and trying to win. xD
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Dame Death on 09 Apr 2013, 11:06
As most people know my hands shake randomly and this leads to me making more typos then most, I've had most people including quite a few people thats posted in this thread icly say to eliza "Your damn accent" and have to say it does fucking annoy me, as doctors cant fix my hands and nor can I.

So yeh I agree with op if you can understand it just fucking go with it.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Lyn Farel on 09 Apr 2013, 13:19
I also have reinstalled Chrome in english native version, so my spell checker is now enabled in english. It does not prevent every mistake, far from it, but it helps.

The most terrible thing for me is that english has so many bastard french roots that do not spell the same in both languages, or even worse, that does not mean the same actual thing, that it is sometimes a nightmare (like indépendant / independent, many adverbs that take two "m" or "l" in one language and a single one in another, "e" that disappear in english constantly like "développement / development or gouvernement / government, or even words coming from old french like connoisseur that have evolved since long in modern french - connaisseur, etc). So sometimes I tend to create new words that actually do not even exist, which is already embarrassing OOCly, so ICly it's even worse...

So yeah, that kind of thing is understandable and has justifications ICly (people do it IRL, so why not some characters ?), but it's really, really annoying on a pure OOC basis.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Korona on 10 Apr 2013, 18:30
Whenever I see a post consisting of unnecessary grammar correction, my mind just changes their text to read "WTT Soul for RP Points"

There are very few instances where you would ever legitimately need someone to re-write or correct a post to make their point(s) understandable.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Makkal on 12 Apr 2013, 21:28
To my shame, I didn't realize that RP interactions were audio or a/v communications for some time.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silver Night on 12 Apr 2013, 21:35
Places like 'Summit' it is sort of up to you what form you input and output communications in, I think.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Uraniae on 13 Apr 2013, 02:49
It really depends on the setting for me.  If someone has made it clear they are communicating through a text marquee or something, I'll gladly make a light hearted poke at the occasional mistake.  "I would appreciate it if you use both hands to type while conversing with me."

If it's the more common audio or telepresence (Video, Holo, Virtuality) then I generally let typos slide IC.  I'll admit I'll poke fun OOC if it's a humorous typo, but again in a light hearted manner.  It's a rare situation where typos leave me totally clueless as to what someone is trying to say and in those situations a quick mail or private convo clear those things up quickly.

To be honest I sort of look at some of this the same way I look at native languages in EVE.  Yes, our translators can handle modern popular languages, but not only are they imperfect machines but they are also not going to be loaded with every minor dialect or turn of phrase.  On top of that, I have always perceived the translation itself to be somehow superimposed in the medium of communication.  If text it will outright replace the word or flag/highlight it as having potential alternate meanings.  In audio I assume Uraniae does indeed hear whatever language you are speaking and simply treats it as background noise behind her translator. 
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Cynthia Gallente on 15 Apr 2013, 15:58
I hate to typo.  I hate even more when it's pointed out like some speech/text entry flaw.
Obvious use of the wrong word is different ofc.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Lyn Farel on 16 Apr 2013, 08:29
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Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Merdaneth on 20 Apr 2013, 03:07
Just whip your typing slave each time someone mentions a spelling error IC. Most characters stop correcting you soon enough.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: John Revenent on 20 Apr 2013, 05:20
(http://i.imgur.com/i2lRS.png)

I totally agree with Silas. +1
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Lyn Farel on 20 Apr 2013, 06:52
Well then, there is also a big difference between people that should just get back to school because they can type 2 words without a mistake, and occasional typos. I assume that we still are speaking about the latter.

Of course, I am not refering to people afflicted by dyslexia and the likes.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Havohej on 20 Apr 2013, 08:49
I've tried to keep in mind that many podders have English as a second or third language.  As long as it doesn't devolve into txt spk im p chill.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Scherezad on 20 Apr 2013, 09:04
This is a problem that I often cringe at when I see someone correcting anothers' spelling or grammar on their space-face. For two reasons, myself. The first reason is really a rehash of what's been said above - it's just poor manners, really. This isn't a spelling bee, and we should forgive an occasional typo or poorly chosen word to facilitate good roleplay.

My second reason is, um, well. You see, I, uh, I can, um, well. My, um, sentences, they, they can, uh, well, tehy, um, well. Long, they're long. Sometimes. So, um, I, well. Fix, fixing, uh, typos, uh, it, well, its, uh, hard! And, um, duh, distracting! So, well. Yes.

I don't think anyone else has that problem, though, so that's more just me.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 20 Apr 2013, 09:51
This is a problem that I often cringe at when I see someone correcting anothers' spelling or grammar on their space-face. For two reasons, myself. The first reason is really a rehash of what's been said above - it's just poor manners, really. This isn't a spelling bee, and we should forgive an occasional typo or poorly chosen word to facilitate good roleplay.

My second reason is, um, well. You see, I, uh, I can, um, well. My, um, sentences, they, they can, uh, well, tehy, um, well. Long, they're long. Sometimes. So, um, I, well. Fix, fixing, uh, typos, uh, it, well, its, uh, hard! And, um, duh, distracting! So, well. Yes.

I don't think anyone else has that problem, though, so that's more just me.

They. :}
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Scherezad on 20 Apr 2013, 14:15
This is a problem that I often cringe at when I see someone correcting anothers' spelling or grammar on their space-face. For two reasons, myself. The first reason is really a rehash of what's been said above - it's just poor manners, really. This isn't a spelling bee, and we should forgive an occasional typo or poorly chosen word to facilitate good roleplay.

My second reason is, um, well. You see, I, uh, I can, um, well. My, um, sentences, they, they can, uh, well, tehy, um, well. Long, they're long. Sometimes. So, um, I, well. Fix, fixing, uh, typos, uh, it, well, its, uh, hard! And, um, duh, distracting! So, well. Yes.

I don't think anyone else has that problem, though, so that's more just me.

They. :}

See? This is the problem!
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Ava Starfire on 20 Apr 2013, 16:59
Well then, there is also a big difference between people that should just get back to school because they can type 2 words without a mistake, and occasional typos. I assume that we still are speaking about the latter.

Of course, I am not refering to people afflicted by dyslexia and the likes.

Lyn, not everyone speaks/reads/writes english as well as you or I.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Makkal on 20 Apr 2013, 17:34
My experience is that non-native speakers of English tend to write as well as, and sometimes better than, some native English speakers.

Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Lyn Farel on 20 Apr 2013, 17:35
I don't, actually... I keep a tab on wordreference open at most times because I am most of the time checking or looking for a specific word. I make a lot of spelling mistakes due to ethymological differences.

I was mostly referring to people making at least 2 mistakes per word. But anyway I shouldn't have derailed the thread on that. It's the grammar nazi inside me.

EDIT : I have rarely met those types of people in Eve RP, really, which is quite nice. It's more something you will find in some random local or in other parts of the internet.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 20 Apr 2013, 18:22
My experience is that non-native speakers of English tend to write as well as, and sometimes better than, some native English speakers.

I usually see this, aside from specific grammar hang-ups, like dropped prepositions ("I'll explain you" rather than "I'll explain to you").

It's not always the case, though.

Reiterating what I said on the first page, though - I'm less fussed over minor spelling mistakes or "incorrect" word choices. Morwen might make a joke about it under the guise of it being a translation error.

But if your spelling errors are due to you willfully rushing through and deliberately not making any effort to try to type coherently instead of just flailing at the keyboard like a two-year-old slaps the tray on his/her high chair at dinner, expect no mercy.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Natalcya Katla on 21 Apr 2013, 07:53
Occasional typos or grammar mistakes are entirely forgivable.

Just please stop using "I could care less" as an expression for not caring. As always, David Mitchell (and by extension the Queen of England) says it better than I can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw

Also, double negatives, people. If there "ain't no cure for love", that means there is a cure.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Ché Biko on 21 Apr 2013, 14:01
/me jently pets Katla on teh beck > Their, they're.

Edit: Wow, there's a fricking emote code? This forum rules! :P :cube:
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Ché Biko on 21 May 2013, 16:59
Yanala's death report made me browse through some logs, and I found this:
[ 2013.03.22 12:16:14 ] Rojo Solette > Visera Yanala you shall be my torphy you caldari scum
[ 2013.03.22 12:16:44 ] Visera Yanala > Mr Solette, how do you intend to collect your "trophy" when you're unable to even correctly spell the word?
 

I guess she wasn't above going for the low-hanging fruit. :lol:
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Makkal on 21 May 2013, 17:39
I discovered that myself earlier today. Very cool.


Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Karmilla Strife on 22 May 2013, 11:25
A couple years ago, I made fun of an Amarr Navy event actor for repeatedly saying "Kahnid".
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: kalaratiri on 22 May 2013, 13:34
The population of Rouge drones is also remarkably high. I suspect Gallente burlesque shenanigans.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Creep on 22 May 2013, 14:49
The population of Rouge drones is also remarkably high. I suspect Gallente burlesque shenanigans.
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1372/rougedronecopy.png)
High Heels, High Kicks and High Times!!!
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 30 Sep 2013, 03:22
Mmmmmm, drone porn.

Also, I always figured that audio communication is a bit odd considering that my character is in a pod most of the time. Unless he has a voice-synth package installed into his implants, he shouldn't be communicating in audio at all. Hence, text > .
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Saede Riordan on 30 Sep 2013, 06:03
I type very fast, and do make spelling mistakes sometimes, so yeah, I get rather irritated when people telling me I'm intentionally making spelling mistakes to start drama or some other such silliness, or nitpick a spelling mistake in character. If someone is making a mistake consistently, I might poke them in an OOC channel to let them know what the proper spelling is though.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Esna Pitoojee on 30 Sep 2013, 09:26
The population of Rouge drones is also remarkably high. I suspect Gallente burlesque shenanigans.
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Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Arista Shahni on 30 Sep 2013, 10:02
Typos?

Psh.  Never.

>.> (gently +1's her postcount) 
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Steffanie Saissore on 30 Sep 2013, 10:26
Having recently gone back through some of the logs I've seen some of the horrible mistakes I have committed in terms of spelling and grammar; some of these were done while suffering an eye-infection so the inability to clearly see what I was writing or reading contributed to those; others thought, well, I tend to try to type fast and get a response in and know that this causes some pretty bad mistakes to happen. Some I do catch and others not so much.

At the end of the day, I typically don't pay too much attention to spelling and grammar during RP in EVE. The grammar doesn't bother me as that is more a writing convention; the typical verbal conversation between two people rarely adheres to rules of grammar.  And well, we don't see the letters of the words we speak.  On the other hand, if I have to spend five minutes trying to decipher what was written and the point trying to be made, that becomes problematic.

As a rule of thumb, I don't call out spelling or grammatical mistakes made in IC interactions; I might call attention to a mistake like referring to another individual by the wrong gender or other 'slips of the tongue'.  I've had some interesting interactions by actually misinterpreting a statement.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 30 Sep 2013, 10:55
Mmmmmm, drone porn.

Also, I always figured that audio communication is a bit odd considering that my character is in a pod most of the time. Unless he has a voice-synth package installed into his implants, he shouldn't be communicating in audio at all. Hence, text > .

Interesting, as I don't imagine people in pods seeing much text at all.   We 'think' things and the ship responds, we are jacked-in Ghost in the Shell Style.

If I had to imagine the closest approximation to our chat channels, I would imagine it pretty much just like Ghost in the Shell when they are talking with their thoughts only, with perhaps a visual indication in their field of view.



Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 01 Oct 2013, 00:47
Mmmmmm, drone porn.

Also, I always figured that audio communication is a bit odd considering that my character is in a pod most of the time. Unless he has a voice-synth package installed into his implants, he shouldn't be communicating in audio at all. Hence, text > .

Interesting, as I don't imagine people in pods seeing much text at all.   We 'think' things and the ship responds, we are jacked-in Ghost in the Shell Style.

If I had to imagine the closest approximation to our chat channels, I would imagine it pretty much just like Ghost in the Shell when they are talking with their thoughts only, with perhaps a visual indication in their field of view.

I explain that away as thought-text transcription package implanted into the Broca's area, so instead of speech, you see 'text > blah blah blah' showing up in the corner of your Neocom.

Then again, I probably think he should get the voice-synth package, or else how is he to communicate with his fleet efficiently? I would however have El use that only when the situation really demands it to save CPU resources (he did sorta cobble things up together most of the time).
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Vaun Erryk on 01 Oct 2013, 01:20
Interesting, as I don't imagine people in pods seeing much text at all.   We 'think' things and the ship responds, we are jacked-in Ghost in the Shell Style.

If I had to imagine the closest approximation to our chat channels, I would imagine it pretty much just like Ghost in the Shell when they are talking with their thoughts only, with perhaps a visual indication in their field of view.

I'd be inclined to agree. I always found the recent-ish trend of 'text>' jarring and kinda grating but who cares why am I even posting here when I find myself blissfully divested of the game. <_<
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 03 Oct 2013, 13:49
Back to OP, there seems to be another example of this trend appearing in a current IGS discussion.

I'm deploying all of my available handwaving to fight this invasion of typo-callouts! Could use some help. :D
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Odelya on 03 Oct 2013, 13:50
Back to OP, there seems to be another example of this trend appearing in a current IGS discussion.

I'm deploying all of my available handwaving to fight this invasion of typo-callouts! Could use some help. :D
Much appreciated... :cry:
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Vic Van Meter on 03 Oct 2013, 17:37
Mmmmmm, drone porn.

Also, I always figured that audio communication is a bit odd considering that my character is in a pod most of the time. Unless he has a voice-synth package installed into his implants, he shouldn't be communicating in audio at all. Hence, text > .

Interesting, as I don't imagine people in pods seeing much text at all.   We 'think' things and the ship responds, we are jacked-in Ghost in the Shell Style.

If I had to imagine the closest approximation to our chat channels, I would imagine it pretty much just like Ghost in the Shell when they are talking with their thoughts only, with perhaps a visual indication in their field of view.

I instantly thought of Shadowrun riggers, personally.  Jacked in and sensing things through your body that you kind of understand as information, but it's all just brain information.  It does make sense that if they're connected to your brain, that text would be a little outmoded in the YC years.  I always just assume people are speaking audibly, if not essentially telepathically, when in the pod.  I think a few people actually put in text> when their character is using it, for whatever reason.

I suppose it would be a lot easier to send if you are in a wormhole and not able to get out or running on low power, maybe?  That would be a good time for text?
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 03 Oct 2013, 19:17
Mmmmmm, drone porn.

Also, I always figured that audio communication is a bit odd considering that my character is in a pod most of the time. Unless he has a voice-synth package installed into his implants, he shouldn't be communicating in audio at all. Hence, text > .

Interesting, as I don't imagine people in pods seeing much text at all.   We 'think' things and the ship responds, we are jacked-in Ghost in the Shell Style.

If I had to imagine the closest approximation to our chat channels, I would imagine it pretty much just like Ghost in the Shell when they are talking with their thoughts only, with perhaps a visual indication in their field of view.

I instantly thought of Shadowrun riggers, personally.  Jacked in and sensing things through your body that you kind of understand as information, but it's all just brain information.  It does make sense that if they're connected to your brain, that text would be a little outmoded in the YC years.  I always just assume people are speaking audibly, if not essentially telepathically, when in the pod.  I think a few people actually put in text> when their character is using it, for whatever reason.


I suppose it would be a lot easier to send if you are in a wormhole and not able to get out or running on low power, maybe?  That would be a good time for text?

Somebody ELSE plays Shadowrun?

Anyway, 'visual indication in their field of view' is what I'm working with here. If I am roleplaying in a spaceship, usually, I try not to segregate gameplay from roleplay all that much. It irks me that when I see the chat log on the corner of the neocom, I'm seeing text, but everyone acts like they are speaking in audio. I kept seeing text on the bottom of my screen, instead of hearing the chaos that is The Summit. So, I figured, if all I can do is read text, why not I act like my implants translate thoughts into text? Besides, being in the bad part of New Eden, I couldn't well afford to have voices in my head all the time unless it's the voice of the FC, so I needed a communication system I could outright ignore on demand.

And 'text >' is born.


Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Makkal on 05 Oct 2013, 17:16
The last time Makkal used 'text' was because my ship was in structure. Previously, I've used it to represent her not being on her ship at all; she was basically txting while making a sandcastle.
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 05 Oct 2013, 20:03
sandcastle.

Was it shaped like a red velvet cake?!
Title: Re: Typos and Spelling errors in RP, or 'I like reaching for low-hanging fruit'
Post by: Arnulf Ogunkoya on 06 Oct 2013, 06:32
Mmmmmm, drone porn.

Also, I always figured that audio communication is a bit odd considering that my character is in a pod most of the time. Unless he has a voice-synth package installed into his implants, he shouldn't be communicating in audio at all. Hence, text > .

Interesting, as I don't imagine people in pods seeing much text at all.   We 'think' things and the ship responds, we are jacked-in Ghost in the Shell Style.

If I had to imagine the closest approximation to our chat channels, I would imagine it pretty much just like Ghost in the Shell when they are talking with their thoughts only, with perhaps a visual indication in their field of view.

I instantly thought of Shadowrun riggers, personally.  Jacked in and sensing things through your body that you kind of understand as information, but it's all just brain information.  It does make sense that if they're connected to your brain, that text would be a little outmoded in the YC years.  I always just assume people are speaking audibly, if not essentially telepathically, when in the pod.  I think a few people actually put in text> when their character is using it, for whatever reason.


I suppose it would be a lot easier to send if you are in a wormhole and not able to get out or running on low power, maybe?  That would be a good time for text?

Somebody ELSE plays Shadowrun?

Anyway, 'visual indication in their field of view' is what I'm working with here. If I am roleplaying in a spaceship, usually, I try not to segregate gameplay from roleplay all that much. It irks me that when I see the chat log on the corner of the neocom, I'm seeing text, but everyone acts like they are speaking in audio. I kept seeing text on the bottom of my screen, instead of hearing the chaos that is The Summit. So, I figured, if all I can do is read text, why not I act like my implants translate thoughts into text? Besides, being in the bad part of New Eden, I couldn't well afford to have voices in my head all the time unless it's the voice of the FC, so I needed a communication system I could outright ignore on demand.

And 'text >' is born.

I tend to think of most in-game comms being as they appear in the client, expect the words are being thought rather than typed. IC I refer to voice comms as "high bandwidth" comms, that would be the GiTS cybercomm equivalent.

Also Shadowrun - Yay! Although having to empty multiple loads of assault rifle ammo into someone to down them in first edition really was a downer. I remember my initial second edition game when my Ork street samurai dropped two Humanis kidnappers with about four shots from an Ares Predator fondly. What I also remember fondly was that was a side issue and we managed the run that session without major gunplay.

Regarding cyber control of mechanisms Peter Watts book Blindsight might be worth a look. That book, and the rest of his back catalogue are available for free here (http://www.rifters.com/real/shorts.htm). It also has some interesting notions on free-will, neuro-diverse mindsets and non-sparkly vampires.