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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Arnulf Ogunkoya on 04 May 2010, 18:57
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It's called "Rooms of Fate" and is reading like a soap opera plot on crack.
Is this supposed to be something that is being widebanded to anyone who cares to check the feed? If so it's IC knowledge and the IGS is the right place for it. Although, in my opinion, if this is true it makes the people in it look very silly.
On the other hand if it's OOC then surely it should be in the fiction section?
I'm asking here because Tomahawk is about & presumably can find out easily enough. Asking on the EVE-O boards just seemed too potentialy bitchy. Or at least I figured it might be taken that way.
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It's IC, and available to anyone watching IGS.
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the impression I got was it's like a "Big Brother" style "reality show" RP thing. I didn't look very closely, though.
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the impression I got was it's like a "Big Brother" style "reality show" RP thing. I didn't look very closely, though.
Yeah, I think that's the intention.
I suspect that it might have been more like the RL Big Brother if they'd waited until Incarna and used that for it rather than doing it on the IGS.
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Well in my opinion it's actual roleplay - rare sight on the IGS.
While it, technically, may be more appropriate in EVE Fiction, I think its much more productive to the RP community to post it on the IGS than posting it there or doing it in little private channels where no outsiders can enjoy it.
It's an awesome read, and dismissing it as "soap opera" or "Big Brother" is, well, subjective.
Instead of jabbering about it, people could either ignore it or see it as the opportunity it is. No wonder most RPers "do it in private" if this is the response they get when they open their RP to public eyes.
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It's an awesome read, and dismissing it as "soap opera" or "Big Brother" is, well, subjective.
That it's an awesome read is also subjective, Darv. I don't see anyone being "dismissive" of it; everything isn't for everybody. I watched the first two seasons of Big Brother before it (like all reality shows for me) got stale. I don't want to read an EVE-RP version of the reality show concept.
Instead of jabbering about it, people could either ignore it or see it as the opportunity it is. No wonder most RPers "do it in private" if this is the response they get when they open their RP to public eyes.
You do understand that this is an OOC forum for RPers to talk about RP.
e: I strongly recommend you take a few minutes and go over the forum's rules and guidelines...
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1312928
Yes, RP on the IGS is in such short supply. I wish there were interesting, meaningful discussions somewhere about important topics. <coughs>
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It's an awesome read, and dismissing it as "soap opera" or "Big Brother" is, well, subjective.
That it's an awesome read is also subjective, Darv. I don't see anyone being "dismissive" of it; everything isn't for everybody. I watched the first two seasons of Big Brother before it (like all reality shows for me) got stale. I don't want to read an EVE-RP version of the reality show concept.
Perfectly true. I could and should have emphasized the part that was and still is concerning me a little more. "Soap opera plot on crack" e.g. sounds quite dismissive to me - and even if it isn't it still is quite impolite.
Instead of jabbering about it, people could either ignore it or see it as the opportunity it is. No wonder most RPers "do it in private" if this is the response they get when they open their RP to public eyes.
You do understand that this is an OOC forum for RPers to talk about RP.
e: I strongly recommend you take a few minutes and go over the forum's rules and guidelines...
"Talking" and "backbiting" are two different things though. And threads worded like this are quite unlikely to spawn constructive discussion imo.
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What do you have against soap operas? I love General Hospital... Don't ming "The Young and the Restless" either. I think "Soap opera on crack" is a perfectly apt description of any reality show out there... including roleplayed ones.
If you find the post offensive, though, please use the Report Post button and explain why in as much detail as possible - there're five different people looking at these reports (so far) and not all of them see things in the same way that I do :)
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What do you have against soap operas? I love General Hospital... Don't ming "The Young and the Restless" either. I think "Soap opera on crack" is a perfectly apt description of any reality show out there... including roleplayed ones.
If you find the post offensive, though, please use the Report Post button and explain why in as much detail as possible - there're five different people looking at these reports (so far) and not all of them see things in the same way that I do :)
You don't want to start a discussion about soap operas with me. No, really. ^^
Problem here is the context of what we're talking about, but yeah, I guess I'll just report it in good faith :roll:
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You don't want to start a discussion about soap operas with me. No, really. ^^
I don't watch as much as I'd like to anymore.. but if you want, I think a soaps thread down in the Speakeasy could be fun ;)
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You don't want to start a discussion about soap operas with me. No, really. ^^
I don't watch as much as I'd like to anymore.. but if you want, I think a soaps thread down in the Speakeasy could be fun ;)
Might be interesting - I actually only know german ones, and about 90% of those are terribly cheesy and if you don't watch them for three months you still know whats up if you check in then. With having two grandmothers who never miss any of said cheesy and content-less thingies (and should they, due to extraterrestrial circumstances miss one episode, the reprise of said episode, and the second reprise of that episode, theyll keep each other up to date), I have developed a tiny aversion against that kind of show^^
But seeing that german and austrian productions are much worse than anything else by default, it might be worth watching an english one.
Sorry for the terrible off-topic-ness^^
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Perfectly true. I could and should have emphasized the part that was and still is concerning me a little more. "Soap opera plot on crack" e.g. sounds quite dismissive to me - and even if it isn't it still is quite impolite.
Well, yes. I would have to admit I am biased and I don't think it's very well written. I do understand that others have a different perception however and if so, fair enough. I'm glad you are enjoying it.
The reason I used the phrase was it does use a lot of soapy plotting and a good portion of the characters involved seem to be out of their collective minds on boosters. So I stand by the description.
However there was a point to asking beyond the aesthetics of the thing.
What this appears to be showing is a whole lot of top secret, burn before reading, insider info on the machinations of Revan's branch of the Sani Sabik. And it's being broadcast to the entire IGS?
Funny way to run a conspiracy to rule the world isn't it? But then again maybe it's all an elaborate charade. That would make some sort of sense.
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In my view, CCP didn't properly design IGS in the first place. They seem to have intended it as the "individual" counterpart to what they intended for CAOD (rather than what CAOD actually became).
But what I think of as traditional forum RP doesn't seem to have a home on the official forum.
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'Melodramatic soap opera' is definitely not my style of RP, and so I can't bring myself to read more than a few paragraphs of it, but to each their own little fantastical corner of the game I suppose.
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'Melodramatic soap opera' is definitely not my style of RP, and so I can't bring myself to read more than a few paragraphs of it, but to each their own little fantastical corner of the game I suppose.
^ This is my take on it as well.
However I need to comment on this:
Well, yes. I would have to admit I am biased and I don't think it's very well written. I do understand that others have a different perception however and if so, fair enough. I'm glad you are enjoying it.
Actually, from a writing aspect it's not bad at all. It is, as I stated previously, a tad "over-the-top" melodramatic, and perchance a tad bit of purple prose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_prose), which I find generally abhorrent due to the number of RP venues I've frequented (in the past) that were inundated with it. However, the writing, from a technical aspect, is not bad. The story is actually pretty good -- assuming you're one of those who has a flair for the dramatic.
I am glad to see that people can flourish with things of that nature.
Furthermore, with that said:
In my view, CCP didn't properly design IGS in the first place. They seem to have intended it as the "individual" counterpart to what they intended for CAOD (rather than what CAOD actually became).
But what I think of as traditional forum RP doesn't seem to have a home on the official forum.
^ This.
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Too bad CCP didn't make it so soap opera bgm would play while reading the thread. :E
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Come to think of it, this makes a good case for what we DO need in an IC forum here: not more diplomacy, manifestos, and treatises that amount to the same intellectual masturbation we see on the IGS and other places, but a place for open stories, traditional forum RP, etc. etc.
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Come to think of it, this makes a good case for what we DO need in an IC forum here: not more diplomacy, manifestos, and treatises that amount to the same intellectual masturbation we see on the IGS and other places, but a place for open stories, traditional forum RP, etc. etc.
You managed to put words on what have been missing from the IGS for some time now, but I just have not been able to put my finger on it. I would fully support an IC forum here.
Maybe it is due to CCP closing down that forum section (what was it called again?) that was used for RP announcement on a corporate level, that IGS looks like a twisted copy of CAOD with the same smack but with more elegant words.
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I think that this was somewhat their goal with the EVE Fiction forum, but I feel that that also does not account for what the RP community really needs.
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I think that this was somewhat their goal with the EVE Fiction forum, but I feel that that also does not account for what the RP community really needs.
Might I ask why you feel that this is the case?
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I think that this was somewhat their goal with the EVE Fiction forum, but I feel that that also does not account for what the RP community really needs.
Might I ask why you feel that this is the case?
Because many non-roleplayers consider that what a roleplayer wants out of an online forum is a place to locate their "fanfics," as compared to a place to actually roleplay. That's just been my understanding from those I've talked to over various venues over the years.
Many people don't see the difference between writing a little short story and a piece of interactive fiction, which is generally what most forum-based roleplay is. Only people who really have a direct interest in it really understand the difference, since that difference is subtle.
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Because many non-roleplayers consider that what a roleplayer wants out of an online forum is a place to locate their "fanfics," as compared to a place to actually roleplay. That's just been my understanding from those I've talked to over various venues over the years.
Many people don't see the difference between writing a little short story and a piece of interactive fiction, which is generally what most forum-based roleplay is. Only people who really have a direct interest in it really understand the difference, since that difference is subtle.
Hmmm. I think I follow what you are trying to say....
... except I don't really.
The thread that started all this is what I would think of as a fanfic. An interactive collaborative fic, sure, but a piece of fiction nevertheless. I think you are speaking of an approach to roleplaying rather than a the whole thing. I came into this from tabletop games & LARP so stuff like this seems odd to me.
What particularly confuses me in this case is the way it blurs the lines between IC knowledge and OOC knowledge meant to throw light on why the character does what they do.