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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: hellgremlin on 28 Dec 2010, 22:19
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So, long story short, I'm just about done with GHSC. It's killing my enjoyment of Eve.
Every time I make a forum post, some fucking cuntlip calls me out for not scoring a 200 billion ISK heist or not having enough Battleclinic points or whatever. It seems that at every step I take, I am expected to do something incredibly destructive and headline-grabbing.
The problem with GHSC is that it became IDDQD. Early in our history, we had a revenge policy. In those early years, it seemed sensible, since we were flying around in blaster Incursus and Crusaders, and hardly frightening in space. Any PVP corp could have wiped the floor with us at that stage. So we implemented the revenge policy simply to make us a pain-in-the-ass to fight. You shoot down one of our guys, we all come after you.
Well, it worked. I don't think GHSC has had a war declared on us in the last... four or five years. People still talk shit to us in local but they realize that even if they declare a war, we'll fight it in the most sadistic and unsatisfying way possible.
And I'm bored.
The boredom of the idle rich.
I can afford 21 titans, optimal officer fit, with the assets I own.
So here's an interesting question.
Is there a future for me in Eve, outside of GHSC, or should I cancel my account now? I mean, I realize I'm not the most employable of creatures, what with my past habit of destroying everyone who ever trusted me. Have I painted myself into a sort of corner?
I want to do new things, or at least things I haven't done for a while. I'm sick of the giant alliance over-fucking game. Alliances truly don't matter to me, because I have come to realize that all of them - even the best of them - are completely fucking irrelevant. Eve today, is chiefly based in empire space. That's simply where the INTERESTING action happens. 0.0 comprises 10% of Eve's populace, and the only reason to be interested in 0.0 is to conquer more 0.0 which doesn't interest me at all.
In the past month I've created a bunch of alts, and infiltrated a bunch of baby corporations. My original intent was to rob them ofc, but truth be told, I had more fun there, doing their newbie things alongside them, than I did in GHSC running galaxy-shattering schemes of yore. I thought there'd be some kind of glorious endgame for achieving the point I did, but no, the sandbox is still quite level, and I guess I'm ok with that.
What next? Is there anything?
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You essentially can buy anything you want in the game, which means ISK isn't an interesting goal for you.
You don't have interest in nullsec, which means controlling territory isn't an interesting goal for you.
You don't have anyone serious looking to shoot you down, which means PVP isn't an interesting goal for you.
You don't want to screw over a bunch of new players anymore, which means infiltration isn't an interesting goal for you.
I could go on, but you get the point. So, in my mind, that leaves a few options:
1/ Knowledge: I know you have some interest in the Sleeper storyline, and that's something that power and ISK (by themselves) can't solve for you.
2/ Socialization: You're enjoying, at least to some degree, just relaxing with new players and doing "their newbie things.
3/ Sex: Well, okay, this isn't the most interesting goal in EVE terms. Forget I mentioned it.
4/ Power flexing: If Istvaan the character has any sort of goals at all, he could use his power for "good" (where "good" == "his goals"). I mean, sleeping with Jamyl might be out, but I can imagine a situation in which Istvaan has the goal of destroying any given major nullsec power bloc, or even trying to manipulate his way to power within an actual NPC faction.
Personally, I'd lean toward 1 or 4.
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I'm all over 1. The sleepers are driving me nuts. Whenever there's something *I don't know* I rapidly develop a cocaine-addict's urge to know what I don't know.
I rather enjoy the aspects of 2. I experience in my casual infiltrations. When I infiltrate a corp, I try to shift my mindset to the SP-level and experience of the pilot I'm impersonating to join said corp. So, if I'm pretending to be a clueless newbie eager to learn about Eve, it actually feels like I'm a clueless newbie eager to learn about Eve. For fleeting moments, anyway.
I want more of those moments. I guess I just want to feel lost again. I downloaded Fallout: New Vegas over Xmas, and it thrilled me, because I was suddenly in a brand new wasteland to explore, with unpredictable critters lurking around each dark corner.
I don't get that feeling in Eve anymore. I feel like I have absorbed the mathematics of Eve to such a degree that nothing surprises me. I don't know if I can explain this, but I'm not sick of Eve. I'm so addicted to the storyline it's not funny. Especially now that the recent chronicles are talking about snakes eating their tails (http://eve.klaki.net/fiction/serpent.html)...
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You should give me the money, and earn your way back. At least 100 billion of it.
Ok, seriously?
I wish that there was some great avenue you haven't explored that I could easily suggest, but that's probably not the case. So, the question is, do you still enjoy Eve as a game, or is Eve only the context for what you enjoy?
In other words, are you here because scamming is fun, or are you here because Eve is fun and scamming is just one of the things you do in it?
I ask this because it does seem that in regards to scamming and making ISK, you've done it all. If you enjoy only achievement in this area, it's time to either hang up the hat, or, and this may seem self-serving, give away all the ISK and see if you can do it all again. But you almost certainly could.
From your statements in regards to newbies, it seems that you do enjoy other factors, and as such, there are probably facets of Eve you haven't yet tried that you would enjoy. That might be FW, or exploration, or running missions in null sec, or even trying to solo-PvP-roam through wormholes for weeks on end without ever returning to a station. In my opinion, much of the gameplay in Eve can be fun in and of itself if you are attempting things for the experience, rather than for a goal. For example, I've recently been running missions in Curse, not because I have to (although the ISK helps), but because it's fun running blockades, bubbles, and station camps (with good-natured mockery or advice in local).
Sometimes the best way to increase your enjoyment of a game is to jack up the difficulty level, or attempting unorthodox strategies and tactics. Sometimes you just need a break from what you usually do. Or maybe a new spin on an old tactic - if you like helping newbies and scamming, you could form a newbie GHSC corp for wannabe con artists.
I'm just tossing out ideas here, but ultimately, like you pointed out, Eve is a sandbox. It's always possible to get out of a corner, even if you have to toss sand in a few eyes to get out.
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Look me up.. if ya want to talk about employment.
*gulp*
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The Synenose Accord is always looking for 'consultants'. Things related to Sleepers. Sansha. Jovians. *coughs*
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I'm all over 1. The sleepers are driving me nuts. Whenever there's something *I don't know* I rapidly develop a cocaine-addict's urge to know what I don't know.
Expect a message shortly. Seriously, we should speak.
I rather enjoy the aspects of 2. I experience in my casual infiltrations. When I infiltrate a corp, I try to shift my mindset to the SP-level and experience of the pilot I'm impersonating to join said corp. So, if I'm pretending to be a clueless newbie eager to learn about Eve, it actually feels like I'm a clueless newbie eager to learn about Eve. For fleeting moments, anyway.
Jita 4-4 (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=06-09-10). There's always fun in "B-lining". ;) I started a new character Sunday just for that.
I want more of those moments. I guess I just want to feel lost again. I downloaded Fallout: New Vegas over Xmas, and it thrilled me, because I was suddenly in a brand new wasteland to explore, with unpredictable critters lurking around each dark corner.
I don't get that feeling in Eve anymore. I feel like I have absorbed the mathematics of Eve to such a degree that nothing surprises me. I don't know if I can explain this, but I'm not sick of Eve. I'm so addicted to the storyline it's not funny. Especially now that the recent chronicles are talking about snakes eating their tails (http://eve.klaki.net/fiction/serpent.html)...
We should definitely talk.
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"...a symbol of immortality, since it is said of the Ouroboros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ourorboros) that he slays himself and brings himself to life, fertilizes himself and gives birth to himself. He symbolizes the One, who proceeds from the clash of opposites, and he therefore constitutes the secret of the Prima Materia which unquestionably stems from man's unconscious."
"He couldn't get those marble carvings out of his mind. The grooves that twisted and turned in on themselves, like snakes eating their tails. The knots and curlicues that looked like words but on closer inspection would dissolve into abstract symbols the likes of which he'd never seen in scripture."
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Well, Rho doesn't have much in the way of assets, so I'll take a chance. I'm working on some anti-slavery stuff, if RP stuff like that interests you. And if you want to start something new, I've been looking for directors for a few things, including wormhole ops. I do run things loose, just FYI. Let me know if you are interested.
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As Itsvaan, the character itself, i would say that you have been painted in the corner not by what you did, but by what the entirety of eve expects from the legendary name. A sort of "the king must do epic things to maintain his crown" line of thought.
Since money is no concern, you could spend it all manipulating and creating diplomatic conflict throught eden without much effort. But i would say thats not your usual dish.
I believe there is an opportunity for you to enjoy the gameplay that happens in WH space and at the same time develop an RP storyline related to your endevaours with the sleeper technology, along with "shady deals" of your findings and subsequent sales of said information to the pirate factions (pirate t3 cruisers hell yeah :P ). WH space has no local, no alliances, very little capitals, it connects often to known space and provides the sweet candy to your info-addiction.
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New Eden Assembly now
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Have you thought about a form of self-imposed challenge play? Artificial restrictions of certain kinds in order for you to make achieving certain goals more difficult.
While I'm not certain what to say in regards to your roleplay preferences, challenge mode™ may force new ways of contending with old issues in your gameplay.
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I'm hesitant to put an offer out, on account of past history.
Have you considered doing hilarious things to Alliances for Amusement? Like getting your name spelled out in Hexagons on the Sov Map or something?
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I find your dilemma hard to pity; not because of how you got there, but because of the literally limitless possibilities you have at your disposal.
You have enough ISK that you can make an alt and accomplish damn near ANYTHING.
You could start from scratch with a horde of newbies and create a dominant force that you could aim at anything you wanted (and I don't mean taking sov). You could make one side or another dominate in FW, curving the storyline progression. You could raise a force of such strength that an entire region or constellation of EVE would forever be known as Here Thar be Dragons.
Suffice to say, I wish I were in your horrible position. ;)
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A lot depends on what you want out of the game.
I got bored with shooting for invincibility a long time ago. It wasn't in Eve, and it wasn't on anything like as grand a scale as you've managed (I just introduced a character whose strategy altered the PvP dynamic on a troupe-scale Neverwinter Nights server and landed me as top dog for a few excruciating months), but the effect was similar: I got tired of it in a hurry.
My response was to create a literally-cringing wuss, who immediately became my primary character. I've never looked back.
Eve, of course, is unkind to wusses, so Aria is not so much a "wuss" as fundamentally broken. And playing her-- especially when things fall apart-- is a blast. "Winning" is no longer important; all that matters is the character.
(As it happens, "winning" is nearly all-important to this particular character, but she unconsciously sabotages her own efforts, so that's okay.)
By some strange coincidence, I'm recruiting, so if that sort of thing appeals to you, we should have a talk. And if you end up changing your mind and stabbing me in the back-- well, that just makes for great RP.
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Angel-invest in ideas you think are interesting? Infiltrate interesting young corporations with the intention of deciding whether they are worth investing in (without them knowing it)? Enable someone else's vision.
Make 0.0 interesting beyond the conquering bit? Yes, you will have to conquer to get there, but that is part of setting up a new empire.
Try out governing mechanism beyond what the current power blocs use? I do not know if you read any of my ideas, but come up with your own (or steal mine) and attempt to execute it. The challenge here for you is finding those interested in setting up your vision, not the isk.
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Team up with Chribba in creating the ultimate 0.0 space hub, and prove to everyone that you're serious by giving away billions of ISK to him personally.
Or, stick it out until Incursion, when all of us will meet each other doing some shameful act on a station. gambling obviously
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Casiella had a nice list. And then Dex (orange) is into something. You're experienced, so you might start "mentoring". Yeah, it's a buzzword but gets the idea through: Running a corp straight, looking for what you can't have with GHSC while also taking advantage of your experience. If you can build a small dedicated core - which you can "train" to suit your ideas - I assume that you have the brains to figure out some crazy tactics, and the capital to lose a few "corporate" fleets while practicing and seeing if they actually work.
Istvaan the character is somewhat problematic due to the demigod status, so some of this might require alts. "Taking over" a genuine newbie corporation might be easier, specially if you can task your "fast learning" character on what you're really interested and keep others running the corporation. Another option would be finding a new corporation. If a few "old timers" are willing to try this while keeping the secret, then the core of the corp might be from your old friends (at first pretending to be new), which would help dividing the tasks. If you wish to tie Istvaan into the picture, you could always introduce him later as a "hidden shareholder".
And if willing to tie this into earlier stuff, then perhaps there's something that GHSC discovered during their shenanigans but can't directly put into use - or even some discovery by the Endless, which I assume is part of the same story. A "legitimate" front company might be able to use the discovery. If you really want to make it a fine mess, have the discovery involve Jove or Sleepers in some way. (Of course, first you need to find these things out yourself and then introduce them as Endless/GHSC/Istvaan/your possible new alt's findings.)
The old corps might even have some limited contact with the new one, but it may be assumed that the old demigods are busy with things far more important than a few new eggers fooling around - for example, Istvaan might be "investing" his fortune and too busy "managing" his new growing (and possibly legitimate) business empire to act as a Bouncer ex Machina for the real new corp. If you'd find something that you fancy helping, this role would also allow white-knighting some real outfits and look like you were actually investing. I think I do not need to tell you how "secure" investing really is in EVE and what this means to venture capitalism on the scale which Istvaan's wallet might otherwise make possible.
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I cannot afford 21 titans. Hardly one. But less can do it when I can afford the ships I want and rarely need to pay for replacements. The point is; I no longer play to earn ISK and have not in a long time.
I dabble in booster production because it is such an exclusive production field where the process from acquiring raw materials and components to the final product is twisting and unknown to most.
My real passion is seeking out the EVE lore, though. Reading mission descriptions or seeking out entities with information that reaches into the back-story of EVE, pull it out and collect it. COSMOS, epic arcs and Sleepers have I been working on, and there is still much more out there. I know where to look but time constraints…
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Join KOTMC. We have a history or reforming bad boys. :)
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"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer."
I think part of the problem is that you've achieved pretty much everything you wanted to in EVE regarding your chosen specialty, heck, you've pretty much defined and served as the inspiration and model for it. It might be that you've simply run Istvaan as far as the character or the game will interest you.
It happens, and sometimes its simply grinding metal to try to milk joy out of a character when its just not there. A writer once told me, "always plan for the death of your characters, understand that it will happen, it makes them far more enjoyable, and makes you care for them more". Sometimes, the best way to continue to enjoy a remarkable characters story is to plan for the end of their story.
If youre having fun being a noob corp again trying hard to earn enough for a real T2 ship, then by all means, continue. Teaching and experiencing familiar things with people just beginning is a good way to rediscover what you loved about an endeavor in the first place.
Or, go for the knowledge thing. Try to discover it, or even create it (in part anyway). Part of what I think is fun about EVE is that so little of the knowledge is actually defined by the Storyline team, and I'm more than a little certain they look to a lot of the better player-written fiction out there to indirectly expand and refine and color the EVE universe. You obviously know a lot about the EVE universe, both its PF and its "human" element, so writing and expanding a bit on the frontiers and grey-areas of the EVE storyline could be fun, as well as a nifty way to leave another mark on the game world and game community.
Or, if you really wanted to go out with a bang, take a page from Andrew Carnegie, and resolve to have Istvaan biomass penniless, and simply see what kind of effect 21 Titans worth of ISK can have when spent on whatever inspiration might take you. While Carnegie gave to charity, what Istvaan(c) would see as a worthy cause would be interesting to say the least. Kinda a "here is my stuff" except that stuff is in the form of bribes, mercs, alcohol (its been done, in the billions!), and general chaos, or possibly even a semi-noble cause, or all of the above.
Whatever you do, you've certainly left your mark on the game.
P.S. if youre really bored, could you find a way to lower nocxium prices in the Republic? I know a couple pilots in my corp who would be thrilled.
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I found myself in a similar position, not needing any more ISK, no real interest in 0.0 politics.
So I went back to my roots in roleplay corps and decided to put my time into a pirate faction group helping it grow and possibly even control some of its own NPC space which is a rarity in Eve at the moment.
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You've expressed an interest in Sleepers, so go find a WH Corp to try out. Or go solo - which isn't advisable.
There are plenty offers of employment in this thread, talk to the serious ones and go for the Corp/Alliance that would suit you most. Either IC, OoC or both. I can't make up your mind as to what you should do, or where you should go, but all I can say is do what you want.
Life's too short to be stuck doing something you don't like. Good luck in finding your path. =]
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Accept the offers of everyone here salivating at the chance to recruit you into their corp and use you for their own agendas and destroy everything they've built. Which is probably what you are planing anyway
Or on the very very small chance that this isn't part of a scam, help create large RP alliances for each of the factions out there.
Or create an opponent capable of challenging you.
Or, my personal favorite, go to Jita and announce in local that you are an old player bored with Eve and will double any ISK sent to you. Then actually do it!
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Build a new caldari megacorp. Get ccp who owes you a few for all you've done for the game, to make Itsvaan an NPC with a new mega corp and retire with a bang. Or have Itsvaan turned into the new broker. I think the last one is dead or something.
Honestly man, no idea, and though Hamish' first option would be entirely amusing.
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Give it all to EVE U, that would make a big mark.
It's times like this I wish you could convert your ISK to real currency.
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Build a new caldari megacorp. Get ccp who owes you a few for all you've done for the game, to make Itsvaan an NPC with a new mega corp and retire with a bang.
Nice idea. I like it. I'd even subscribe to the corporate newsletter.
Honestly man, no idea, and though Hamish' first option would be entirely amusing.
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Build a new caldari megacorp. Get ccp who owes you a few for all you've done for the game, to make Itsvaan an NPC with a new mega corp and retire with a bang. Or have Itsvaan turned into the new broker. I think the last one is dead or something.
Honestly man, no idea, and though Hamish' first option would be entirely amusing.
I do like the idea of you becoming an NPC in charge of a new megacorp/pirate faction. However since this involves CCP moving things behind the curtain let us assume this can't happen.
Given your history imagine how challenging it will be to get a group to trust you. Certainly more challenging than conquest or setting up another betrayal.
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I think becoming another/teaming up with Chribba sounds the most challenging and intriguing to me. That's a rather exclusive role in this game that has both a sense of serious reach and influence as well as being something that will take a long time to accomplish, even given your resources.
I would imagine he gets folks "wanting to help/learn the ropes/team up" while plotting their own agendas quite often. Truly entering into an apprenticeship of sorts and possibly becoming another powerhouse or even long-term partner seems like something of appropriate scale considering where you are at in the game.
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Build a new caldari megacorp. Get ccp who owes you a few for all you've done for the game, to make Itsvaan an NPC with a new mega corp and retire with a bang. Or have Itsvaan turned into the new broker. I think the last one is dead or something.
Honestly man, no idea, and though Hamish' first option would be entirely amusing.
I do like the idea of you becoming an NPC in charge of a new megacorp/pirate faction. However since this involves CCP moving things behind the curtain let us assume this can't happen.
Yea obviously, but it's not like hellgremlin doesn't have some contacts in CCP. He's written for CCP and his scam work has drawn countless players into the game. Some might say they owe him. Sure it could be said it's favoritism, but since it doesn't give a player any actual benefit, just officially makes him a part of EVE history, it'd be a nice reward imo.
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No kidding! I've met at least five people in real life who said they found out about Eve from people linking Hellgremlin's stories. They could probably have tenton write an article about him being made an NPC and get even more subscriptions.
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Given your history imagine how challenging it will be to get a group to trust you. Certainly more challenging than conquest or setting up another betrayal.
Arnulf, Istvaan's very good at getting people to trust him. I'm not sure that would count as a new challenge.
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I'll second what Gottii said. Hell, I get bored sometimes: I've achieved everything I wanted to in Eve already, which is kind of sad for three years' playtime.
If pretending to start fresh is fun for you, then just go for it. "Istvaan Shogatsu" is far too well-known ingame for you to start afresh with the same character; reputations are next to impossible to erase, and it's unlikely you'd be able to switch to a new initiative without everyone in Eve suspecting it to be a massive troll or scam. And in the meantime you could have some fun by making the entire playerbase suspect Istvaan is plotting the next big hit, simply by playing on their expectations.
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It's an interesting point you raise, Istvaan.
Given the reputation you've built as the leader of frankly, the most notorious corporation ever to grace New Eden, it does put you in a pickle with a lot of people if you're looking to start fresh elsewhere.
Regardless, I don't think you should walk from the game. The best policy is to keep doing what you do best. That's what I did.
Why not try creating your own set of chronicles, based around the Exploits of Istvaan over the years in terms of what he's been doing with GH-SC? Drop into detail about his day to day life, how his circle of informants work, what he deals with, how he gets the job done, that kind of thing. Kind of like an Eve version of the Godfather saga, only better.
Work on fleshing it all out, then with the reputation you have re-lauch yourself into Eve-RP and take on a slightly different angle, maybe find yourself a faction of questionable moral integrity to allign with, have some fun with the RP scene and enjoy some small scale tightly knit gang PvP that doesn't mean you have to defend territory and put your mental stability on the line with sovreignty bullshit.
My only advice to you would be to stear cleer of static assets, anything that anyone can used to harm you in revenge for the countless corporations and alliances you've taken from in the past. If you play it slow and easy, with the ISK you have you'll be able to support yourself for as long as you choose to play Eve if you start to enjoy small gang PvP.
I'll also say, that if you're looking for employment and and RP corp that's solidly alligned to a pirate faction and actively roleplays, drop me an evemail. I'm not particularly bothered about your sinister reputation and the questions and lack of trust that surround it.
Frankly, while I've enjoyed watching your shenanigans over the years, it doesn't intimidate me in the slightest to be honest, I more have a sense of respect for what you've achieved and would be pretty happy to talk about employment. In the end, no matter how much of a destroyer of worlds someone becomes in Eve, everyone needs some form of roots that they can relate to.
I'll be back in the UK from Iceland tomorrow evening, if you think the Guristas might suit Istvaan's frame of mind quite well given we focus around profit at all costs and you'd like to mess around with small gang PvP and see if you can re-kindle the fire for Eve, then feel free to drop me a line either out of character, or in character if you'd prefer it.
Regardless, we've been the last port of call for a lot of people who were about to call it a day with Eve. Most of them came to us years ago saying this was their last attempt at staying interested in the game. Pretty much all of them are still with us.
Drop me a line if you want to talk about employment, or if you just feel like shooting the shit about the good old days and want help figuring out where to go from here.
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P.S. if youre really bored, could you find a way to lower nocxium prices in the Republic? I know a couple pilots in my corp who would be thrilled.
qfe 8)
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Well, it worked. I don't think GHSC has had a war declared on us in the last... four or five years. People still talk shit to us in local but they realize that even if they declare a war, we'll fight it in the most sadistic and unsatisfying way possible.
Most people wised up to the idea that wars are a very imperfect tool of conflict. Wars only work if the enemy needs to be 'in-space' and in a vulnerable position. I don't think GHSC is that. Additionally, war needs to inflict more damage than it costs, and with your resources, I don't think a war would be a good tool to threaten you.
Is there a future for me in Eve, outside of GHSC, or should I cancel my account now? I mean, I realize I'm not the most employable of creatures, what with my past habit of destroying everyone who ever trusted me. Have I painted myself into a sort of corner?
Honestly, yes, you did paint yourself into a corner. Unfortunately, that corner isn't generating much excitement. Most criminal masterminds with enemies all over the world would need to constantly watch their backs for fear of getting killed or people making off with their wealth. In EVE, knowledgeable players are only vulnerable if they want to be. And even then, the vulnerability translates largely into isk terms. Nearly the only thing that can't be bought by isk is reputation.
But, basically, you've achieved plenty of things, possible most of the goals you've set yourself. You've played out this angle of EVE and both your reputation and wealth hinder you in sliding into a brand new angle.
There's no easy solution to this. You need to find new goals. If you find goals you like, you can just commit to them, and while other capsuleers might not trust you with their isk soon, they might accept cooperation or assistance.
But basically it comes down to you finding some goal for yourself. I feel that Merdaneth is nearing the end of his 'fun' life as well for me. I don't have a lot of well defined goals left myself. And without a goal to achieve, EVE can get stale very quick (if you want to use it for something else than a space-themed chatroom).
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I do like the idea of you becoming an NPC in charge of a new megacorp/pirate faction. However since this involves CCP moving things behind the curtain let us assume this can't happen.
Yea obviously, but it's not like hellgremlin doesn't have some contacts in CCP. He's written for CCP and his scam work has drawn countless players into the game. Some might say they owe him. Sure it could be said it's favoritism, but since it doesn't give a player any actual benefit, just officially makes him a part of EVE history, it'd be a nice reward imo.
As it happens hearing about the big GHSC infiltration & kill job was one of the reasons I signed up. I was interested in a game that could inspire that sort of effort.
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Reading this thread made me feel all appreciated and squishy. Also gave me a lot to think about.
I thank the folks who'd be willing to take a chance employing me. Verone, your offer is definitely interesting. I sometimes get a hankering for piracy and can never find corpmates to grief with.
I think the most promise would lie in using my strengths. I think I can get people to do things in a coordinated fashion very effectively, but instead of doing it cloak-and-dagger with destructive aims, I wonder how many folks would like to collaborate with me up-front. I kinda wanna conquer wormhole space and be flying a Sleeper battleship by the end of this year.
How many of y'all would be up for some demented collaborative venture like that? We'd need two kinds of people, assholes and scientists! We could try packing a bunch of people into multiple wormholes and see if we could get them to connect. Perhaps start figuring out if there's a pattern to their randomness.
As far as static assets, hell, I could set aside 10 billion "pocket money" on my end for playing around with. A large tower and a month's supply of fuel doesn't cost much, most folks won't waste the time shooting one, and if it gets attacked seriously, no big loss. The idea of wormhole colonization appeals to me on some basic SimCity level, and we put one up recently just to re-learn how POSes work. Naturally, some jackanape was in the market forum looking to sell the location of our hole within two days, but outside that it didn't attract much attention.
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I think the most promise would lie in using my strengths. I think I can get people to do things in a coordinated fashion very effectively, but instead of doing it cloak-and-dagger with destructive aims, I wonder how many folks would like to collaborate with me up-front.
Probably, but only within our limited interests.
Good luck with the Sleepers though, I do want that mystery to be solved :)
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Re-experience what it's like to be a noob - start a new character from scratch, and don't transfer any resources over from your main.
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I wonder how many folks would like to collaborate with me up-front. I kinda wanna conquer wormhole space and be flying a Sleeper battleship by the end of this year.
Now this is interesting.
One question I have is whether you'd be willing to work with groups from outside your own corp / alliance. Aria has only just started recruiting for Kumiho's Smile and has no interest in breaking her connection to Naraka., but is KEENLY interested in exactly this mystery.
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I was trying to drum up interest in this sort of mapping a few months ago by offering bounties on a listing of wormhole connections, so that you could look up a wormhole number and see the list of systems that it goes between, but people kept pointing me to maps of wormhole systems.
But if you would want to do something like that I'd be glad to join in as back office support. I don't have a lot of time in-game these days for wormhole roams, but I can organize data pretty well.
EDIT: Here is an example of what I tried to get.
Wormhole XXX-1 has been recorded as going to the following systems, most probably systems first
WH system 1 (29 recorded destinations)
WH system 4 (15 recorded destinations)
WH system 8 (5 recorded destinations)
etc
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if you need a project for an alt, you could maybe look into teh blood raiders, like the Church of the crimson saviour group, who i've encountered a few times.
Ebil space nuns instead of space vampires makes a change.
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I do like the idea of you becoming an NPC in charge of a new megacorp/pirate faction. However since this involves CCP moving things behind the curtain let us assume this can't happen.
Yea obviously, but it's not like hellgremlin doesn't have some contacts in CCP. He's written for CCP and his scam work has drawn countless players into the game. Some might say they owe him. Sure it could be said it's favoritism, but since it doesn't give a player any actual benefit, just officially makes him a part of EVE history, it'd be a nice reward imo.
As it happens hearing about the big GHSC infiltration & kill job was one of the reasons I signed up. I was interested in a game that could inspire that sort of effort.
It wasn't one of the reasons I signed up, but it is one of the ways I try to explain to people how awesome, dark, and epic EVE is, either while defending why I'm going home to play internet spaceships instead of out to drink, or when trying to convince people to start an account.
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Re-experience what it's like to be a noob - start a new character from scratch, and don't transfer any resources over from your main.
"Congratulations on running the marathon. Now for extra fun, put a bunch of rocks in your shoes and run it again."
Like I said, I frequently experienced what it's like to be a noob during past infiltrations where I had to play the part of a noob. It wouldn't be fun :p
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I wonder how many folks would like to collaborate with me up-front. I kinda wanna conquer wormhole space and be flying a Sleeper battleship by the end of this year.
Now this is interesting.
One question I have is whether you'd be willing to work with groups from outside your own corp / alliance. Aria has only just started recruiting for Kumiho's Smile and has no interest in breaking her connection to Naraka., but is KEENLY interested in exactly this mystery.
A loosely allied pile of alliances working for a common goal is harder to screw with than a single alliance, so I wouldn't have any problems with this at all. The more bodies the better. I just have this feeling that there simply aren't enough people piled in wormholes with a focus on storyline stuff, and that there's something to find that no-one has yet. The more eyes you have looking, the more gets found.
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I love WHs and sleeper stuff. IMHO it's the future of Eve - new corps can start there and grow without having to be a pet to a 0.0 holder. There is no sov to worry about and the other mechanics of it make PvP so much more fun and diverse than any other part of the game.
I'm slowly working my alt towards being able to produce all t3.
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I dunno, man, I've run into similar blocks, myself, in terms of "I've done pretty much everything I've wanted to do in the game".
The problem, as I see it, is that you're a kingmaker. Why would you want to be a pawn (or even a king) when you've done that? If I were you, I'd probably take a break and then think about some entirely new angle that lies completely outside the axis of power that you're experienced with. What I mean is don't do any of the things you've already done. Don't do infiltration. Don't be a kingmaker. Hell, don't make isk (I played Shin heavily as a very active solo pvp pilot for about 3 years, never with more than 10 million isk in the bank. This was far more satisfying to me than anything I've done with her after she started making isk. This worked well for me, it may not for you, your mileage may yadda-yadda).
Of course, conquering WH space sounds fun, too. It just sounds a little too close to what you've already done, is the thing.
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You should honestly reprocess everything, find a true newb to the game. Give him all the isk. Then delete your character. Write a wicked story about your character from begining to end, and then walk away from the game forever.
p.s. the newb you give the isk to should be someone who displays a growing passion to the game, and the complete opposite of you.
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lol Invel.
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It depends on what you enjoy doing, really. I've always enjoyed social interaction and roleplay, with a casual foray into markets and building, and never have found much pleasure in the more visceral elements of the game. Running corporations is work, and I happen to be allergic to that, so my suggestion would be to try as much as possible and discover something you enjoy about playing EVE and pursue that more.
But I don't play any longer, so there you go. lol
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I wonder how many folks would like to collaborate with me up-front. I kinda wanna conquer wormhole space and be flying a Sleeper battleship by the end of this year.
Now this is interesting.
One question I have is whether you'd be willing to work with groups from outside your own corp / alliance. Aria has only just started recruiting for Kumiho's Smile and has no interest in breaking her connection to Naraka., but is KEENLY interested in exactly this mystery.
A loosely allied pile of alliances working for a common goal is harder to screw with than a single alliance, so I wouldn't have any problems with this at all. The more bodies the better. I just have this feeling that there simply aren't enough people piled in wormholes with a focus on storyline stuff, and that there's something to find that no-one has yet. The more eyes you have looking, the more gets found.
I'd be happy to throw my lot in with this cause, if you think you could use a stick-up-his-ass reclaimer ;)
Just returned to wormholes today actually, taking my first Legion for a spin to poke through some C1-C2 systems.
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Watch the Ultramarines 40k flick if you haven't already.
Smoke a cigar, take the dog for a walk, see if you get inspired.
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For me, having read this whole thread for the first time now, I can only say what I would do in the same position. I see RP as part of the creation of a story, and the most interesting story for Istvaan, in my opinion, would be a redemption arc, where Istvaan actively tries to be 'good', in all its morally complex glory. Actually exploring the complexity of 'righteous' morality, and what that means in a world rich in moral greyness.
That could be great.
And sure, if you want to do that in the ILF, the door is open.
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Invest all of your resources into funding suicide attacks and other forms of terrorism in Jita. Make it undesirable if not impossible to move goods into or out of the system.