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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Valdezi on 02 Apr 2011, 20:54
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From OOC chat today, we discussed what other corps or alliance one might join if one were to leave their current occupation.
For example, if I were to take into account my character's RP history and remain more or less true to it, I would most likely join either:
EL-G (Seems like good RP and PVP and Mammal was previously in the FDU)
I-RED (And I'd move my character who is in I-RED into KotMC - they seem awesome)
Intaki Pure (If I wanted to go evil Ida route)
If I wanted to turn my back on the whole RP history:
Anshar (Would make for an awesome betrayal)
Veto (Would get good PVP here)
KotMC (Again, looks like good fun)
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Piracy :yar:
Also, Nation is relevant to my interests.
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Hmm... hard to say. I've been considering the options and there's not really many out there. Minnie RP corps are few and far between, apparently centralized fairly well in EM and U'K. There's others out there, but I just don't know much about them.
I guess... I don't know, the only ones Miz know about are Electus Matari corps and Murientor Tribe. From an OoC standpoint, Electus Matari would probably be the choice, but from an IC point of view it wouldn't work considering there's plenty of Electus Matari pilots who wants to kill Mizhara.
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If I was to Leave RIA, It'd likely be for Naraka.
With the whole RP history thrown out...oh...choices, maybe look at the Minny or Amarr, Possibly the toasters, since they're all rather cool.
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If I were to utterly abandon all I've done with Grae so far, I'd join Veto (for the fun, and I get along with most of the members), or possibly EM. :yar:
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Hmm... assuming for some reason Senn left ANSH and the Serps...
He could forgive his earliest gang's betrayals and try to join the Guristas again, but that would be a stretch of his trust. Other than that, the Angels would be a prime choice. Then again, if there was a Caldari loyalist corp willing to take on a semi-repentant criminal, it would be an interesting reversal, and Senn would still be fulfilling his original duties as a part of the State.
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I've considered Esna going randomAngel, so... Naraka? and of course Electus Matari (if they would accept me :P )... unfortunately there aren't many other Amarrian corps that match Esna's goals and mindset. Mind you, I've wanted to try buiilding a corp on my own...
EDIT: Stimulus. Both because Esna leaving the Empire would represent a level of disgust with Empire politics that could at least a passing interest in the kind of non-national thing Stimulus does, and because Stimulus is just plain awesome.
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If I were to ever leave SHARE (not anytime soon that's for sure) it would be for a capsuleer oriented, RP-lite alliance like Rote Kapelle, or even one that didn't RP at all. Maybe Tuskers if I were able to keep up with their highly active PVP'ing. I really couldn't picture Cruci in any of the major empires, nor could I picture her aligned with any of the existing pirate factions.
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If John was to change his ideals ect. I guess would be.
Veto.
Intaki Liberation Front / IPI
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Interesting. I asked myself a lot these questions recently.
If Lyn had to leave KotMC she would probably directly knoc at I-RED door. Or Yulai Guard, but OOCly I am not sure I want that. Besides that if there was a SCT corp somewhere, I would already be in it, but these seem doomed to failure every time.
If she had to turn rogue or something, I suppose she could go to EM.
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Not really thought about 'Post Anshar' or any situations that don't involve me in it.
Guess I'd go back to Ghosts or start something new entirely. Not really sure what though. I've always fantasized about going full time with the Intel Brokering thing.
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To be brutally honest, very few RP corps of the moment interest me. Then again, when I was making my short list of corps to join (including non RP groups) when I came back to the game, I found the short list to be very short indeed. So it may not be a "problem" exclusive to the RP side of things, but there definitely seems to be a lack of strongly branded groups with cool identities who also match all that with actual effectiveness. Not saying there aren't a few out there (because there are), but there seems to be largely two types of groups out there: generic and those afflicted with Goon-like-behaviour-syndrome.
I do have a slight curiosity regarding the major movers on either side of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict though, such as PIE, UK, EM, et al. They are all age old monoliths with long pedigree, though.
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Piracy :yar:
Also, Nation is relevant to my interests.
:cry:
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okay, so putting further thought into this, if I was to, for some reason abandon the angels completely (which wouldn't happen because angels are awesome, but run with me here) the few places I'd look at would be:
TSF - I have a lot of friends there, and I know they're a good group of...person shaped creatures.
Veto - They seem pretty cool, I dunno if I'd get in, but this is hypothetical anyway, so why not?
Electus Matari - They've always been really cool when I interacted with them, and it seems like they have some really interesting RP going.
Hellcats - This would be if I decided to stop RPing entirely, and just wanted some cool people to pvp with
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I kinda went back to Angels recently, under my own label.
In case it all goes tits up and I wanna stay true to the RP's;
Veto - Always luv them ♥
Ghost Festival - Myrhipooh and the Axion ♥
If I would drastically hammer Vince's RP to a new shape;
KotMC - Fun people and a fun corp :3
Shinryaku - Cheiftan is the only dude who can carry me on piggy back in real life. This is reason enough.
If I were to say fuck it to all RP backgrounds and RP in general;
Gunpoint Diplomacy [RANSM] - Epic pew and fun people
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This has come up for me recently, actually, and I finally decided just to find a group of people who (A) I already knew and liked OOC, (b) had RP that I could dig as well, and (c) I could use as a stepping-stone to rule New Eden!!!
Wait, maybe not that last bit1.
Anyway, I'm not sure that my current interests require much specifically out of a RP corp. That is, I like a corp that RPs because, hey, it's easier to pick up chicks that way2. But if you're focused on trade, industry, etc., then even a regular or RP lite corp can often fit the bill.
1: Or maybe so...
2: This may not be true.
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Shin's already done her "major betrayal" thing when she went into Omerta, so I don't know if I could do something like that again. Then again, she's come out of it without much in the way of a moral compass, so anything is possible.
If I left RIA, I'd do so for a solo/small gang PVP RP corp. I'd say EM, but I've got a bad history of joining EM right as I'm losing interest in Eve (and thus leaving), and I like them too much to do that again.
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If John was to change his ideals ect. I guess would be.
Veto.
Intaki Liberation Front / IPI
This would require a change in ideals? ;)
If LDIS fell apart... maybe back to CAIN for a bit. Or I had an idea for a Syndicated-based Caldari Patriot pirate corp probably a year ago - Exiled Patriots [EXPAT].
If I just ignored Dex's background? Figure out where Zag went off to...
Edit: I would try and build up Ekcuah Incorporated's west coast TZ!
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This has come up for me recently, actually, and I finally decided just to find a group of people who (A) I already knew and liked OOC, (b) had RP that I could dig as well, and (c) I could use as a stepping-stone to rule New Eden!!!
Wait, maybe not that last bit1.
Anyway, I'm not sure that my current interests require much specifically out of a RP corp. That is, I like a corp that RPs because, hey, it's easier to pick up chicks that way2. But if you're focused on trade, industry, etc., then even a regular or RP lite corp can often fit the bill.
1: Or maybe so...
2: This may not be true.
I like this superscript business, Casiella. Nothing like the vestiges of Harvard referencing to give a literati tone to an RP forum.
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I usually prefer brackets but thought I'd go with something more Sundayish.
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Hmm, If Deadie was to go back to the Nation. Would most definately look into TSF.
If I was to start all over. I would be tempted to go pro-Fed and look into MM or EL-G :D
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Hmm, as much as I love teh RPs, OOC reasons have prevented Var from joining a few interesting pro-Caldari corps/alliances (particularly, I-RED). There aren't many liberal Caldari RP corps/alliances (other than I-RED) that I know of either, so that sucks for Var IC. It's because of this reason that he will be forming his own corp aligned under the liberal faction of the Caldari very soon. :D
If Var were to change his liberal ideals, but still be loyal to the State then perhaps he would be interested in joining LDIS or other more..."patriotic" groups.
If Var were to completely abandon all ties with the State then he would probably go with EL-G, or some other pro-Gallente corp/alliance. No offense to Amarrian supporters out there, but typical IC Amarrians annoy me with their constant blabber of their "God" and "faith," so I wouldn't have Var join a pro-Amarr group simply for OOC reasons. :P
On a personal note, I have always fancied the idea of having Var work against the State which he so fiercly serves by joining Veto. ;)
I don't know Rote Kapelle other than from what I've read about them, and based on what I've read, they also seem like a really cool RP lite alliance.
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Eh, er, uh, ehm ... other RP corps?
EM's contraindicated for Vieve for several RP reasons -- even if Jake went off his nut and decided to join up (assuming one of their corps would admit him), she wouldn't join him in that corp.
Returning to the Federation also wouldn't be an option, for several other RP reasons. Though, I guess the fallout from Vieve's ignoring those reasons could be entertaining.
Would Vieve ever follow her mother into "supporting the Angels"? Er ... no. Vieve's a law-abiding citizen, even if the laws she follows are quite frequently more natural than political. While she'd certainly do Verone's filing if he needed help with it, it's more likely she'd go have a long chat with Uncle Dex about career options ... and no doubt a whole bunch of Very Bad Things would happen because of that conversation.
Celeste is doing what she's doing for A Reason. I think she's more likely to create her own corporation than join another one, unless a number of Very Bad or Very Good Things happen. It should be taken as read that some of the Very Bad Things would be Good by some definitions, and some of the Very Good Things Bad by other definitions. She's like the EvE equivalent of Martha Stewart or something.
I kinda went back to Angels recently, under my own label.
Oh, my. That's interesting.
If I just ignored Dex's background? Figure out where Zag went off to...
Last I knew, that MMORPG called RL (the same one I have a hard time getting away from) got him in its clutches.
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RL is way overrated. Balance sucks, the death penalty is way harsh, though at least it's got some nice eye candy.
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If I wasn't so obsessed with doing my own thing (and pretty terrible at PvP) I'd probably go and join Veto.
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Hmm, as much as I love teh RPs, OOC reasons have prevented Var from joining a few interesting pro-Caldari corps/alliances (particularly, I-RED). There aren't many liberal Caldari RP corps/alliances (other than I-RED) that I know of either, so that sucks for Var IC. It's because of this reason that he will be forming his own corp aligned under the liberal faction of the Caldari very soon. :D
I need to go build out the list; I have lost a few prospective members (IC employees) to corps other than I-RED.
it's more likely she'd go have a long chat with Uncle Dex about career options ... and no doubt a whole bunch of Very Bad Things would happen because of that conversation.
I always chuckle when Dex gets referred to as Vieve's uncle.
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If John was to change his ideals ect. I guess would be.
Veto.
Intaki Liberation Front / IPI
This would require a change in ideals? ;)
Well I am a bad pirate because I feel guilt every time I kill a defenseless player, or am a asshole to someone who does not deserve it. So yes huge Ideal change if I chose to go pirate.
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It wouldn't take too much for Silas to 'come out' as a Sabik if need be, could be quite fun actually. Although setting up as a warlord pirate in lowsec somewhere could also be a blast. Maybe Angels, hmm.
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I don't think there's anywhere else I could go that would offer what I want right now. I did look at Re-Aw and LDIS before, though.
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SYNE is a "fringe" thing TBH; not like we have to worry about all the big alliance-types muscling in on capsuleer intelligence when it comes to Nation. And I do rather like being able to explore a "grey" area in RP (law-abiding citizen, stalwart military officer, finally free to actually speak with the pirate factions and not have to think of how it would affect my straight-as-an-arrow RP).
But if I had to leave SYNE ... ? Not sure. Tough question. Crossing the line to join SR is out (not sure if they'd even have me; never been a great fan of zombies anyways), not sure I want to get caught up in faction warfare politics. Retirement from RP is obviously out. Maybe something Caldari-lite where I didn't have to worry about stumping against the Federation on the IGS? I'll get back to you in a year or two. 8)
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So it appears that the majority here would swell the Veto/Angel cartel ranks if they left whatever corp they were in now. Typical, but not to surprizing.
I wonder why it is like this; why leaving 'national' RP have to end in a grand betrayal, drama, and joining Veto or another pirate faction. It's gettign predictable and a powerfull memetic trope all of it's own, at this rate. This however, is a question for another topic, another day.
As for me, if my two 'main' toons left NOVAF, it would likely be for a pro-Fed outfit like EL-G or a pro-Rep outfit like EM, if they would allow it. Jesmine is not likely to deviate from her present course as her existance is based on a RP path that I desire. Eventually, I may end up making my own pro-Fed corp. There are not exactly an over-abundance of those.
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I dunno, I went the other way: left my Angel stuffz behind (even thought I <3 Myrhial and Morlag and the rest).
Essentially, trade and related RP attracted me even more than NPC-sov nullsec, as much fun as I had with that area. And I wanted to let Casiella-c disappear, at least for a while. She's a hell of a lot of fun, but for various OOC reasons it seemed simpler to start over.
Now if I can just finish up this really long recruitment process... ;)
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At the moment, Ulf is pretty much where he wants to be. I don't think he'd switch alliegances to another polity. If for some reason he stopped wanting to be in EM, he'd probably retire or look at some other Republic loyal corp; Something still working for the republic. Nothing else would make sense.
That said, I'm still fascinated by other bits of the game that Ulf will probably never get to explore. The Caldari society sounds interesting, as does the Gallente, though the Amarr one doesn't really do it for me. The Caldari seem to have all sorts of culture stuff sorted out in interesting ways, and the Gallente are mostly attractive for the unrealised potential that I can see.
I was even really interested in Star Fraction for a while a few years ago, though they told me my time zone would be very lonely so I never followed it up. Recently they seem to be suffering a bit of a down period, so it might be too late now.
What the above would mean is that if I get bored/disillusioned/fed-up with EM but still want to play Eve, I probably would be looking at another character. Given the competitive nature of a lot of Eve, there's a natural reluctance to accept alts of other factions amongst RP corps. I'd like to think I've never used OOC intel IC without having encountered it IC as well, but I realise that it's a legitimate worry.
I also think the other worry is that when you're recruiting people, you ideally want people who will be putting work into your corp, not being flighty dilletants who are already spending most of their play time on another corp with another character.
So how big a deal is recruiting Alts for RP corps out there? Is it something you reluctantly accept? Something you avoid at all costs? something you actually think is a good idea?
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EM's contraindicated for Vieve for several RP reasons -- even if Jake went off his nut and decided to join up (assuming one of their corps would admit him), she wouldn't join him in that corp.
Gods and spirits that would be... interesting. The ex-husband. The (feral clone's?) (virtual?) lover's rebound (now-ex) lover, and their daughter.
But mostly a note that EM's an alliance of -- rather different -- corps. :)
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This would depend on whether I wanted to continue to RP with Graanvlokkie or start a new charater.
With Graanvlokkie I could easily see him turning his back on the Nation and returning to the Caldari State, albeit with a different attitude (Heth FTW!). Otherwise, the Khanid Kingdom has always been an interesting RP angle and with a lot of work and RP he may be able to make something there.
With a new toon I would look at the Federation, as there is some untapped RP there (but would most proberbly not do this).
Minmatar would also be interesting, and in my opinion there isnt enough Minmatar out there willing to get their hands dirty. A real public Minmatar terrorist movement would be great to be part of!
EDIT: Before I do any of this I would have to actually get off my arse and DO some RP'ing, or at the very least some story writing. I am not too sure of why my motivation is lacking :/
I am hopeing its not because of my current RP direction, otherwise may be time to do one of the above :)
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Actually if I could most likely Gradient :) I chilled in there public channel alot, TS-F and the Sansha RP always interested me during the live events, i was trying to figure out what the other side was always thinking and how would they react.
In terms of "Pirate" Gurista's/Angel have always been of interest. Rping a Merc has it benefits as generally you have to remain neutral, Silva is a State Loyalist in many respects but in terms of which "sect" still remains unclear more of centralist view in many regards
In terms of non-RP corps. Rooks and Kings has always been of interest, joining PL would be.... interesting to say the least.
Silva
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EM's contraindicated for Vieve for several RP reasons -- even if Jake went off his nut and decided to join up (assuming one of their corps would admit him), she wouldn't join him in that corp.
Gods and spirits that would be... interesting. The ex-husband. The (feral clone's?) (virtual?) lover's rebound (now-ex) lover, and their daughter.
And that's just the stuff she knows about!
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Hmmm, apart from FW corps I suppose it'd be Star Fraction or Electus Matari for Borza.
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If I reactivated Ember and left Ghost Festival I would probably go back to COLD-Wing or another militia corp since its about all that I can see for her that would be IC. If I threw out her character and just put her somewhere I really have no idea where to go. Probably Veto if I could get in. I cant remember where or from who, but Ive heard of them refered to as an "RP retirement home" so I guess that would work. :lol:
More than likely I would probably just start over with a new character. Ive been kicking around some ideas in my head for a new character, and I can't seem to get away from Caldari RP. :bash: I have some ideas for the other races, but for some reason they never really hold my interest for very long. Currently I think I'm gonna go with an Achuran(probably with a little Civire mixed in), but its all still very much in the planning stages.
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I can't see myself ever quitting teh Sanshas.
But if I haaaaaaaaaaad to quit the Naqams I'd probably look for some small corp full of very silly people doing silly RP's. If they don't exist I'd make one up. ._.
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I'm pretty sure that Rodj would never leave the Amarr bloc. Which means that if PIE vanished tomorrow he'd probably try to join Imperial Dreams, 1PG or something similar.
If I was allowed to start a new character, Veto or EM would probably be the places I applied to join.
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Orth is too recent an RP toon (only really existed for the last few months) and has been with Anshar the entire time, and the character (like most of mine) has little loyalty to any faction, although he’s reasonably loyal to the individuals around him. So there isn’t really anything for him to betray.
Same goes for most of my other, RP toons, honestly, there just isn’t much for them to betray and I’m pretty happy with them where they are, though I could definitely see the psychopath abandoning her ways as a terrorist and becoming an Amarr loyalist.
The blood raiders (as opposed to the space vampires) have always been interesting to me, so that’s another angle I might take someday.
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If CAIN fell apart I might go back to LDIS, or join up with I-RED - but Electus Matari has always seemed neat to me and is semi-justifiable in-character as a learning experience. I might try some Angel stuff with Alt one day too.
More than likely I’d drop off the RP radar and start making connections and networking with non-Rper corps doing neat things (Worm holes). I might even build a non-rp alliance which would be soooo much easier than trying to find competent and trust worthy people who also role-play Caldari loyalists who are Patriots but not provists (I've met three).
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If Akikio gets enough of living and fighting among strangers she'd definitly go back Stateside, maybe just focus on business for a while.
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So how big a deal is recruiting Alts for RP corps out there? Is it something you reluctantly accept? Something you avoid at all costs? something you actually think is a good idea?
I'd say it varies from corp to corp. Some corporations will turn away known or presumed alt characters out of hand, some welcome them in with open arms. I'd guess that the majority either take the former option, or something in the middle where they're okay with it as long as conflicts of interest can be proven to not be an issue and you pull your weight a little bit. :P
As for where Morwen would go, I dunno, really. I wouldn't say she's perfectly happy where she is, but then, the grass is always greener on the other side. As far as her options that "make sense" within RP:
- EM. Morwen's pretty abolitionist/anti-slavery, and would probably fit in okay, but it'd cause issues at home, so fairly unlikely. She can do her thing under the radar no matter where she ends up, anyway.
- Back to Naraka. Some friends and 'family' still here, but Morwen doesn't care much for nullsec so she'd probably end up in PRELI rather than Ghost Festival again.
- EVE University, to teach. Something I could see her doing and enjoying, though I'm not sure I'd be able to put in the proper time and effort to make it worth it.
- Something involving exploration and/or other PVE, with occasional PVP. Not sure whether it'd be in an already-established corporation, or starting a new one. If the latter, probably would be done with the SO and/or other close friends.
- Incursion stuff, probably the most "obvious" choice for Morwen next to generic exploration/PVE. As much as I completely hate how the live events ended up being abused as an extended trailer for a game mechanic and storyline that's going to be ignored and left aside like FW was (and is), I did enjoy doing some of the sites with folks in Veto when we had the incursions in our home constellation, and would like to do more of them.
- FW. As much as Morwen hates the militias, there's one person who could convince her to take part in them. It's just slightly up in the air as to which corp (and militia) she would end up in.
Ignoring RP, the list is, frankly, mostly the same, though I've got a couple friends doing w-space stuff that I could probably get back into if I really wanted.
So it appears that the majority here would swell the Veto/Angel cartel ranks if they left whatever corp they were in now. Typical, but not to surprizing.
I wonder why it is like this; why leaving 'national' RP have to end in a grand betrayal, drama, and joining Veto or another pirate faction. It's gettign predictable and a powerfull memetic trope all of it's own, at this rate.
U mad, brah? There are some seriously dangerous levels of bitter coming from you whenever this topic comes up. What gives?
The attitude and perception (coming from several people, not just you) that people go pirate (or join Veto, as is the usual expression of the issue) because their RP is dead or whatever is really starting to get old and tiresome.
There are a lot of people in Veto. The majority of them do not RP outside of, arguably, shooting people in the face. There are a few who used to RP, yes, but those are not quite as numerous as people seem to think. In fact, I went through the roster the other day, and of the people on there, I only counted about 27 unique players (yes, I ignored alts) who I've ever seen RPing, or have heard of doing so in the past. Even assuming each of those players has an alt in the corp, that's still only 50 characters in a 170-strong corp.
Why are people making this ridiculous assumption that the vast majority RPers who are tired of "national" RP end up in Veto or some other pirate group as an "RP retirement home" as Ember put it? Why do some people seem to think it's impossible or inexcusable for someone to value the gameplay from their $15/month over the RP? Why do people assume that the thought process is "omg my RP is dead wah wah oh I know how to fix it, I'll go pirate and join Veto or some other outlaw faction/corp" instead of the more logical "okay, I'm bored with EVE, what can I change to make it worth my subscription fee"?
Isn't it possible that the players made the decision, not caring about the RP aspect of things? RP isn't all there is to the game, people. If you're getting fuck-all out of your $15/month for a given style of gameplay, it's your right to try something new ingame to see if you can get your money's worth, regardless of RP. While I'm someone who prefers to have an IC reason to do something ingame (like, for example, change corporations) rather than not, if the gameplay I'm getting where I am is making the game a waste of my time and money, I'm not necessarily going to just wait around for an RP reason to present itself.
Enjoyment of the game comes first, and RP after that. If joining a new corp, or trying something new, like piracy, makes the game more enjoyable for you, or makes it more worth the money spent on the subscription fee, that's your business, and not a single person but yourself has any right to complain about that decision.
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Oh, starting over absolutely from scratch?
The last time I did that, I went for a Gallentean Quafe Universalist/SOEish type who hated politics (for a very good reason), liked her personal space, and thought most people were idiots -- including herself -- and figured the best possible thing she could do was try not to be evil.
If I had the time to do that again ... well, I wouldn't. I don't have much time to play the characters I do have (including that one).
Though I do sometimes regret Sussan's getting biomassed, because she was nice to play the few times I had her out and about. She was True Amarr, Liberal Holder background, who believed in the whole 'cloning is bad' precept. When she got killed in game, I biomassed her. :P
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Tough question. What most other RP groups look like on the inside is out of my ken. Been very happy with our decision to join I-RED, even if it seemed like a bit of a stretch at first.
A new group would have to have the same elements that I enjoy about my present one, namely people who play a lot, are relatively consistent in their RP, and are a bit more into in-game stuff than other RP activities.
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I already have alts everywhere that interest me.
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I already have alts everywhere that interest me.
Istvaan posting with the wrong account? ;)
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I would most definitely get involved in Intaki RP.
Might still do at one time.
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Probably Intaki/Matari alligned for me.
I don't think I could ever justify Jade being a pirate - just not in the mindset. Though if I did ...
Angel/Serpentis backgrounds are the most attractive to me.
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Not with Laerise, but if I'd reroll / get a second main it'd be a caldary mercenary of some kind - a bit unfeasible nowadays, but I'm sure at least one of two people wouldn't mind a friendly falcon for hire sometimes :s
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U mad, brah? There are some seriously dangerous levels of bitter coming from you whenever this topic comes up. What gives?
The attitude and perception (coming from several people, not just you) that people go pirate (or join Veto, as is the usual expression of the issue) because their RP is dead or whatever is really starting to get old and tiresome.
There are a lot of people in Veto. The majority of them do not RP outside of, arguably, shooting people in the face. There are a few who used to RP, yes, but those are not quite as numerous as people seem to think. In fact, I went through the roster the other day, and of the people on there, I only counted about 27 unique players (yes, I ignored alts) who I've ever seen RPing, or have heard of doing so in the past. Even assuming each of those players has an alt in the corp, that's still only 50 characters in a 170-strong corp.
Why are people making this ridiculous assumption that the vast majority RPers who are tired of "national" RP end up in Veto or some other pirate group as an "RP retirement home" as Ember put it? Why do some people seem to think it's impossible or inexcusable for someone to value the gameplay from their $15/month over the RP? Why do people assume that the thought process is "omg my RP is dead wah wah oh I know how to fix it, I'll go pirate and join Veto or some other outlaw faction/corp" instead of the more logical "okay, I'm bored with EVE, what can I change to make it worth my subscription fee"?
Isn't it possible that the players made the decision, not caring about the RP aspect of things? RP isn't all there is to the game, people. If you're getting fuck-all out of your $15/month for a given style of gameplay, it's your right to try something new ingame to see if you can get your money's worth, regardless of RP. While I'm someone who prefers to have an IC reason to do something ingame (like, for example, change corporations) rather than not, if the gameplay I'm getting where I am is making the game a waste of my time and money, I'm not necessarily going to just wait around for an RP reason to present itself.
Enjoyment of the game comes first, and RP after that. If joining a new corp, or trying something new, like piracy, makes the game more enjoyable for you, or makes it more worth the money spent on the subscription fee, that's your business, and not a single person but yourself has any right to complain about that decision.
I will try to keep this civil, despite your tasteful start to the part of your post directed at me.
First of all, this 'issue' is not about Veto in particular or any other pirate out-fit at all, it's about, ultimately, balance and what I perceive as a lack of originality this lack of balance brings.
There are two major 'game-styles' in EVE currently that are broken; FW and piracy/vigilantism. The problem here is that the latter part of the P/V side hardly exist and poorly at that. Anyone of us who have tried to keep it to the straight an narrow as vigilantes know that to have any level of effectiveness you eventually end up little more than a slightly more discriminating pirate yourself, as far as targets are concerned.
Ergo, due to this besides the random trips by random corps/alliances pirates can hardly be opposed or 'stopped' as such, and several other factors maintain the image for many that piracy is 'where it's at'.
That's not really a terribly bad thing; the image that is, as more pirates = more potential enemies for everyone else.
But in the realms of RP, most RP'ers like to have stories behind our toons. We try to play to live the lives of our toons not just being yourself in a game where your toon represents you. Ergo, where a non-RP'er might go, ' time to try piracy instead of what I'm doing' RP'ers end up with 'why would my toon go pirate, how do I work this out?'
Enter my problem; the ever-available 'grand betrayal' and the obvious corps of choice; Veto and/or (insert decent pirate corp of choice here).
Veto is a good place to be, because it's lots of nice folks doing their thing with a RP/RP-lite back-drop. It makes it all more interesting to join as you can continue to do your RP in a corp that, at the very least, respect it. Thus it seems Veto and other RP-friendly pirate corps seem the good options.
And I would not have had a problem with any of this, if only there were good options to going pirate at all, and possibly the game-fun to go with this. But there are no good alternatives for vigilantism or even, dare I say it... bounty hunting.
Again, to clarify; it don't matter to me at all how many in VETO or any other pirate corp RP or not; their choice to join and so on etc.
What matters to me is that piracy has no good 'opponent' other than perhaps, other pirates, and many RP'ers who wish to go pirate and still RP thus ends up in predictably few places, with some exceptions. I wish there were a realistic option to piracy in this regard, so as to get a more even playing-field, in a way, and thus (hopefully) more action and fun for all participants.
Anyhow, this was a serious derail. If your not satisfied with my answer or I've done a poor job explaining, let me know. Though we will likely end in a new topic at this rate.
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As an RP-lite-liter I don't know where I would go if I left STIMULUS, not many terrorist, non-aligned entities out there.
If I was to leave the terrorist fold I would go towards either Nation/Blood raider affiliation, where targets would be plentiful and willing, though I would stay away from groups who tend to talk more than fight more, not sure who falls into that category from those groups. But I'd be sure to avoid them!
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There are two major 'game-styles' in EVE currently that are broken; FW and piracy/vigilantism. The problem here is that the latter part of the P/V side hardly exist and poorly at that. Anyone of us who have tried to keep it to the straight an narrow as vigilantes know that to have any level of effectiveness you eventually end up little more than a slightly more discriminating pirate yourself, as far as targets are concerned.
Does 'vigilantism' here = anti-piracy? Just checking our use of terms.
Is there anything wrong with having anti-pirate pirates? Think of us as defender missiles: we have the same explosive (kinetic, what-have-you) potential, but we channel that for a cause.
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If ATAP died, because, I dunno, a permanent wardec or something, and in order of likelihood/how much rationalization would be required:
1. I-RED
2. SOERR
3. SYNE
Under certain more personal stressors, Z could end up in ANSH or even on a one-man extremist crusade against something. (Probably "capsuleers."') Maybe see about AST-F or something along those lines.
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I would probably go to Veto (yes, I know, seems the common answer), namely cus I know more pilots there than anywhere else outside of EM. And between the snuggles (mostly from Shae and disturbingly from Verone -- j/k, i love ya Red, never stop with the snuggles!) and shit-talk (im looking at you Morwen and Raxip!) I figure it wouldnt be too different.
Outside of that, I dunno, maybe KOTMC but to fly for the Amarr would be even harder to manage in my head. And Im not sure I have enough raw vitriol and hate in me to be part of the Gallente/Caldari conflict.
That said, I dont think i could ever twist poor Gottii around enough to make him a pirate, and i like EM and where I am.
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Not quite sure what I'm even doing at the moment, so I guess I could probably start actually doing something real with MUHU for a change. If not, and if I grow tired of playing singleplayer, I'd probably start collecting names of CVA corp recruiters.
However, I do have another, shadier, more Societal project in the planning stages...
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Hmmm.
If Math ever wanted to progress from the KP-V and his Khanid loyalist spectrum.
- Some state alligned corp... I came from a Caldari perspective originally, and its at least somewhat familiar for Math.
- PIE, although it would take a massive mindset shift because Math is quite liberal - despite his antics sometimes.
- Angel Pirate, would be a bit of a twist... but I have backup plans.
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If I was going to go for "lolF***this" and reset Math for a completely different life
- EM, Because so much <3 for EM
- Serp RP, because I always kinda liked 'dem shady guys
That being said - I have alts for a reason, and I like to explore these RP angles a bit with them - so I tend to feel most comfortable where I am, and short of biomassing/selling Math I couldn't ever stop <3 Khanid.
... Unless CCP.... [self-moderated post]
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- Serp RP, because I always kinda liked 'dem shady guys
We are always hiring ♥
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Though I've been tempted to repent a few times, I can't see me ever leaving Heathen Legion. Way way too much fun here. The RP angle is pretty unique, the people here are freakin hilarious, the non-existent managment style is surprisingly efficient and we have a decent market share on ice cream and pron. Often being one of the top corps on our alliance killboard despite being one of the smallest makes me feel pretty warm and fuzzy as well.
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Imperial Pharmacy - If I ever were to roll a character again, I would seek to become a humble disciple of Lord Vaari.
I'd then use my trading acumen to bankroll Lord Vaari's enterprises to the tune of 1b/week.
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If Shalee ever went pirate, I'd try for Heretics Army probably. Or Ghost Festival.
EM seems interesting too, just by reading a few blogs.
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Okay, so I recently joined Re-Awakened Technologies. While it of course belongs to Electus Matari, I didn't join for the alliance but for the corp. (Side note: Half the staff of this site belongs to the same corp now? WTF? :P )
That said, if I ever struck out from REAW, I'd likely focus on wider concerns of trade and pan-cluster politics. I see lots of RPers focusing on supporting either an NPC faction or general violence and mayhem, but I don't see a lot of development in this other direction. For the foreseeable future, this corp seems to fit that as well as anybody does. I primarily joined for OOC reasons, though, because the folks that fly at my active times really are awesome.
Also, rogue drones? Maybe someday, hrm.
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Interesting to see that we have to work that much on our employerbrand.. especially as that is what I'm working on in RL. Would it be terribly annoying for people if I made a thread like in recruitment or some such just to find out why?
As for what I'd leave to... First of all, just like Svetlana used on the old chatsubo as quote, "CAIN til I die motherfuckers". If I somehow would be forced to leave (say by Van Cleef being tired of my cowboyesque nature and finally kicking me) I'm not sure.. I'd guess PIE but they wouldn't ever let me in unless I go by "cultural attache" or something like that. As I over the years have gotten more and more RP-lite and more pvp heavy the more active RP corps wouldn't interest me much and the "pvpy" groups like Rote, SF and I guess VETO has too many annoying people in it (even if they all have some golden personalities too).
That said if I had to chose I'd probably end up in PL, sad as it is. I have always enjoyed fighting outnumbered and outgunned and making the best of it and they simply seem to be getting the best of those fights.
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Imperial Pharmacy - If I ever were to roll a character again, I would seek to become a humble disciple of Lord Vaari.
As far as I can tell, Imperial Pharmacy is a finnish only corp.
Vaari has this basic concept that finnish language is ancient Amarrian.
Hence holy.
The guy is a nutter.
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Imperial Pharmacy - If I ever were to roll a character again, I would seek to become a humble disciple of Lord Vaari.
As far as I can tell, Imperial Pharmacy is a finnish only corp.
Vaari has this basic concept that finnish language is ancient Amarrian.
Hence holy.
The guy is a nutter.
Finnish language, Finnish citizenship, or Finnish ethnicity? Because those first two can be worked on, and the last, well, I'm sure there's a surgery for that.
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I'll volunteer to teach Scagga to say "perkele". [spoiler]Though on the second thought, IIRC Vaari does not like his corp members swearing and cursing. As a note, current IPHAR joining conditions no longer mention Finnish. (The old list included "you must speak Ancient Amarrian, also known as Finnish".) Apparently they do also allow alts these days, Vaari must be getting soft.
1. When you join to IPHAR, you will promise to stay forever.
2. You follow the words of God
3. You must be obedient, humble and well mannered
4. You are not alt. You must reveal your alts.[/spoiler]
As for me, I am intrigued about Gallente RP, but right now, I'll concentrate on being Caldari.