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Havohej:
...if it can really be called a bloc?  I dunno.  Anyway!


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--- Quote from: Havohej ---I want a more complex faction for the Minmatars.  Just like how you lot used to have some rich and interesting Rival House/house supporter roleplay stuff going on, I wish we had Rival Tribe/Tribe Supporter stuff.  The whole slavery thing is just such a strong point of common ground, there's no major/visible Minmatar RP group trying to push that sort of stuff.  Partially off-topic for this thread, I know.
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If somebody (*cough*forumadmin*cough*) starts that thread, I'd be all over it.

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How come it's all so homogenous?  There's elements in PF that suggest some pretty strong rivalries between different tribes, yet unlike how there used to be (still are?) corps in the Amarr bloc that were loyal to one house in particular I've never seen a Tribe-oriented corp outside of small Thukker groups, most of which wither and die or go generally inactive due to some apparent lack of interest before long.  I mean, not even digging through the deep back pages of the recruitment forum on EVE-O can I find such an animal.

I suppose there's RE-AW which requires a certain level of Brutor Tribe standings, but I've never seen them to present themselves as a "Brutor-oriented" corporation in any other respect so I don't think that's their 'thing'.

Casiella:
I drew up plans a while back for a Sebiestor tribal corp, but never launched it due to all sorts of reasons.

While at first glance the Minmatars might seem to have all sorts of love and unity, I don't know that that really rings true upon deeper examination.

From an OOC perspective: well, "death to the slavers" sure makes for a really useful handle for new RPers, and it has enough of a compelling quality even to maintain the interest of some experienced RPers. Plus, the obvious "excuse" it provides for lots of pew.

But even IC: okay, so you have the Big Bad just across the way, and capsuleers doing the EVE equivalent of the Battle of Britain to keep it out. Now, back in the Republic, we have a huge change in form of government (parliamentary -> tribal republic), some giant sekrit project out in the wildlands, and likely tons of behind-closed-doors scheming. Nobody wants outsiders to know about it, of course, because the Empire would try again to infiltrate and take advantage of that, but likely six of the seven tribes (excepting <em>maybe</em> the Starkmanir ) have all sorts of little plans working.

And let's not forget the much-neglected nexus between the RSS, the Angel Cartel, and the Thukkers. I seem to recall some hints that the boundaries occasionally get murky, and the Angel epic arc seems to refer to that as well.
* Casiella takes a breath so as not to monopolize the thread.

Esna Pitoojee:
I think part of this can be attributed to the honogenous nature of the Minmatar tribal PF itself. Aside from the Thukkers, the differences between the tribes have never really been elaborated on - "Brutors teach their kids to fend for themselves, while Vherokior teach them the strength of friendship and allies" (or something similar, I just made that up) doesn't appear in Minmatar PF a lot. In fact, lately the PF (Eders running everything from the shadows, reuniting of the Starkmanir, true loyalty of some of the Nefantar, even the Thukker/Rep. Fleet attack on Skarkon) seems to be painting over what differences there are.

Compare this to the Amarr PF, where not only do the Amarr houses often compete (bloodily so), they have on occasion actually defied the Emperor/Empress (Khanid II, Uriam Kador's invasion of Gallente space).

Havohej:
@Esna: Well, you see brief mentions of stereotypes between tribes here and there, like people generally feeling distrustful toward Krusuals, for instance, or some of the stuff in the Scars chron iirc.  But so much time and attention has been spent on Amarr plots and backstory by CCP and by comparison so little on Minmatar in general (where the fuck is our goddamn Tribal Assembly news item?).  Still, there's been some interesting, in depth stuff out of the Minmatar RP crowd (Clan Shakor pdf document, for example) that it just seems.. off to me, somehow, that nobody's picked a particular Tribe to run with instead of the Minmatar melting pot of Let My People Go (dunno if anyone's noticed yet, but Let My People Go isn't DF1AS's primary 'theme').

@Casi: WTB details on Angel epic arc.

I dunno.. is it a matter of not being presented with more inter-Tribal grit in PF as Esna suggested?  I'd love to see Sebiestor-centric corps, or any other tribe for that matter, springing up, even if they're pro-Republic and not stirring shit against the other tribes.. just cultivate and build a tribal identity even if they have to make up 90% of it.

Casiella:
I'm screenshotting the arc as I work through it. Maybe I should get off my butt and finish the arc... stinking nullsec bubble camps.

Anyway, we do know a few things about tribal stereotypes (e.g. the Krusuals are basically the Bothans of EVE). But we don't know too much about their motivations and political drivers the way we do about regions or ethnicities IRL.

Side note: Did you know... the Brutors were based on the Maori tribes of New Zealand, not Africans? (See The Art of EVE.)

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