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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE Character Development => Topic started by: Casiella on 18 Nov 2010, 14:19
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Unless your character just exists from day to day without any driving force, he likely has a quest: something specific he wants to achieve. This isn't something generic like "bring justice to New Eden," nor something trivial like "move his Rifter from Rens to Hek". Luke wanted to destroy the Death Star, Li Mu Bai wanted to recover the Green Destiny, and Jerry Thompson wanted to figure out what "Rosebud" meant.
What about your character? What is your quest?
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In many ways, Seriphyn is just continuing to 'live his life' as a serviceman of the Federation. Even with the freedom bestowed as a capsuleer, he is the same as any other career soldier.
Secretly, however, that he won't really admit to anyone (he might do, on occasion), is that his daughter, Anette, wants to be President one day. With the catastrophes of losing his homeworld, Caldari Prime, to the State, and of course losing his childhood sweetheart and baby son to Nation, she is all that he has left, and wishes to serve her as much as he can, by making sure there is still a Federation for her to preside over.
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Anette has a quest: she wants to become President of the Gallente Federation.
Seriphyn might have a nebulous goal to preserve the Federation, but he likely has a couple quests: perhaps "ending the Sansha incursions into the Federation" or "winning the Fed's current war with the State".
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Where Senn lives, existing day to day is its own quest. >>
That being said, I don't think even my multi-month life in EVE is time enough to determine a "quest." Luke had to grow up on Tatooine and be led to Ben before his started. Jerry Thompson had to develop a love of journalism. etc.
However, if anything can be called a "quest," I suppose lil Senn is still discovering the trials, tribulations, rewards and sacrifices associated with capsuleer life. Accustoming one's self to prolonged pod exposure takes decent effort.
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To reforge the Empire into an entity that can actually survive what is to come.
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John's overall goal is to ensure stability in the State, and aid in regaining taken power from Ishukone over the past few years.
In the end he is tired, and is waiting for retirement or (If it was possible) to be killed in the line of duty.
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To find the Holy Grail!
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To finally connect Solitude to the rest of the Federation by high-sec gate routes.
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Prize to Bruno for totally getting it. (Note that the quest need not be achievable OOCly, because the character doesn't know that.)
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To ensure, "whatever it takes", that Matar can live on without another invasion by the Amarr Empire.
(I'd give another one that's a bit more quest-like, but that's sort of classified for now.)
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To sleep with Jamyl Sarum.
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To live happily ever after, possibly with a nice garden to putter around in. No more, no less ... and why doesn't anybody believe me when I say that?
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To live happily ever after, possibly with a nice garden to putter around in. No more, no less ... and why doesn't anybody believe me when I say that?
It's the Cthulu doll.
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Good news everyone!
I've discovered my true quest in life!
That quest is... what was I saying again?
(My character's real quest is to kill all humans. Yes, he's one of those. But it's a secret. Shhh.)
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To live happily ever after, possibly with a nice garden to putter around in. No more, no less ... and why doesn't anybody believe me when I say that?
It's the Cthulu doll.
And all your characters seem to make it ... really really hard to do just that.
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I'm more worried about the cogwheel-rainbow-biohazard-banana speech bubbles than the Cthulhu doll. What manner of mad plan could that chibi be explicating?
As for quests, getting the people who drove him into capsuleering to quit bothering him would be a good start.
Alternately, to dream the impossible dream.
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Alternately, to dream the impossible dream.
:eek:
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TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
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I'm more worried about the cogwheel-rainbow-biohazard-banana speech bubbles than the Cthulhu doll. What manner of mad plan could that chibi be explicating?
Plan?
Cogwheel: "So, I have an idea about what to do next!"
Rainbow: "It's going to be fantastic! Here's where I think we..."
Biohazard: "...what is that smell?"
Banana: "...and what is that oozing down the wall?"
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Alternately, to dream the impossible dream.
:eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGzqbEeVWhs&feature=related
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I had this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB_1gPRCLCo) in mind. Although I suppose training for new ship types would be a boring quest.
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Well, if you got the allusion, then I'm just going to go over here and feel like a jackass.
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To sleep with Jamyl Sarum.
This, and Indahar wants to help form a stronger, more cohesive central government for the Republic that can provide consistent security and social services to all resident Matari tribal populations.
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To sleep with Jamyl Sarum.
Hahaha... :eek::lol:
Impossible!!
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What is your quest?
I have no idea... :(
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This, and Indahar wants to help form a stronger, more cohesive central government for the Republic that can provide consistent security and social services to all resident Matari tribal populations.
[Obligatory&half-joking] They had a stronger, more cohesive central government that was providing security and social services to all of the Matari. Then they decided they wanted to be "free" of that stronger central government and return to their tribal-esque style leadership by causing a rebellion against the established government. This government still exists, and we know it best as the Amarr Empire.[/Obligatory&half-joking]
As for Inara's quest... She's actually rather simple in her endgoals. Complete and total security and provision for 'her and hers'; in the end it will be a peaceful existence split between her estates in Devoid and the ones she's working on establishing in Curse. At least, if she has her way; but until then, she's going to provide and protect in the way she's best capable (doing business with those that are willing to negotiate).
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I find it interesting how most characters have a "big goal" in mind...it is likely the effects of being a capsuleer and having that much power. Goals like protecting the State, ending slavery, all sorts of grand heroic things...
But because Seriphyn sees his role as a capsuleer as more of a continuation of his previous career, it's less about saving the world. It's just doing his job, freedom and liberty are a thing for the university students to waggle their chins over.
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I guess Esna's quest could be described as "to move the Amarr Empire, bit by bit, into a postion where there can be a collective realisation that new, more modern positions on many things need to be taken and that many old practices are no longer workable and need to be updated."
Of course, he wouldn't mind wiping out the Blood Raiders in the process...
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Unless your character just exists from day to day without any driving force, he likely has a quest: something specific he wants to achieve. This isn't something generic like "bring justice to New Eden," nor something trivial like "move his Rifter from Rens to Hek". Luke wanted to destroy the Death Star, Li Mu Bai wanted to recover the Green Destiny, and Jerry Thompson wanted to figure out what "Rosebud" meant.
What about your character? What is your quest?
"I have traveled the cluster seeking answers to the questions of who and what I am. I was given hundreds of different answers, each describing me differently from the last one. It was not until I asked the Sleepers themselves those questions did I realize I possessed the answer.
I am human, but in a way that defies contemporary mind. My illness has only changed how I function, not stripped me of my humanity. I am no more outside of the human world than the machines that compose my body.
My actions were selfish, I make no attempts to disguise that. It is my hope that I may one day undo what I did, and in its place achieve something respectable. What tasks or goals Nation will have for me, I do not know. But I am willing." - Ghost Hunter to Mifra Savsousi during his assessment upon his return to Nation space.
tl;dr - The central goal for Ghost was met during the release of Apocrypha, and now he follows Nation in whatever capacity demanded of him.
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I guess Esna's quest could be described as "to move the Amarr Empire, bit by bit, into a postion where there can be a collective realisation that new, more modern positions on many things need to be taken and that many old practices are no longer workable and need to be updated."
Of course, he wouldn't mind wiping out the Blood Raiders in the process...
With the long life-span of Amarrians, that might take a few hundred years...
In NZ, there's a definite feeling that as the old right-wing reactionaries die off, many social changes are becoming more possible. If you divide polls by age groups, the younger people are much more liberal about things like gay marriage, legalisation of certain low-damage drugs, and ending slavery prison reform.
And every five years, the age of people supporting the more liberal lines increases by a few years...
Once all the wrinklies are dead, we'll be a more liberal society.
Is there that same age-based difference in opinion in the Empire do you think? Or is Esna basically pissing into the wind?
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With the long life-span of Amarrians, that might take a few hundred years...
In NZ, there's a definite feeling that as the old right-wing reactionaries die off, many social changes are becoming more possible. If you divide polls by age groups, the younger people are much more liberal about things like gay marriage, legalisation of certain low-damage drugs, and ending slavery prison reform.
And every five years, the age of people supporting the more liberal lines increases by a few years...
Once all the wrinklies are dead, we'll be a more liberal society.
Is there that same age-based difference in opinion in the Empire do you think? Or is Esna basically pissing into the wind?
On the one hand, my intuition is to say that the overall state of the Empire is likely to be dominated by the House the current Emperor or Empress is from - i.e., Kor-Azor and (God forbid :P ) Tash-Murkon would produce more liberal rulers who would swing the Empire towards a more liberal state as a whole, while the more conservative houses such as Ardishapur and Sarum would produce more conservative rulers, etc etc.
The problem with this is it hasn't happened. In fact, we've instead been treated to the exact opposite - a series of rather liberal and open Amarrian leaders who've been making one step after another in opening previously barred doors (i.e., reuniting with the Khanid Kingdom, the release of the 9th gen. slaves). Even those Heirs you might expect to see leading the charge against change - Yonis Ardishapur comes to mind - have been swept up in it.
I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop, and for the Empire to swing toward the dark and nasty side, for some time; I think CCP may have played with this some during the reign of Karsoth viceroy. Unfortunately, given the way things were written, Karsoth and the Empire in general came out reading more like Stupid Evil rather than the Lawful Evil that I suspect CCP was more aiming for, which may have put them off of it in the long term.
Anyhow, back to the questions at hand: Is Esna's plan reasonable?
My answer is yes, but only in the long term, as Ulphus said. The Empire is an extremely slow-moving juggernaut socially, and it it will take many generations of Holders before we see anything approaching what Esna is aiming for being accepted on a wide scale. Given, however, the current trend of liberalism continues in the Empire, and the "shifts by the dominant House" theory does not hold, I think he'll get some - if not all - of what he's pushing for.
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Anyhow, back to the questions at hand: Is Esna's plan reasonable?
My answer is yes, but only in the long term, as Ulphus said. The Empire is an extremely slow-moving juggernaut socially, and it it will take many generations of Holders before we see anything approaching what Esna is aiming for being accepted on a wide scale. Given, however, the current trend of liberalism continues in the Empire, and the "shifts by the dominant House" theory does not hold, I think he'll get some - if not all - of what he's pushing for.
I think I agree.
At one stage when wassername the empress got in charge, I thought that the thing that would screw the Matari over the most would be for her to release all the slaves.
All of them.
The Amarr would probably need robots to take over some of the drudge jobs, and they'd probably take some examples to encourage the others to get all the slaves released, but think of a) the propaganda coup when a reasonable percentage decided to stay in the Empire to take up the newly available paid jobs, and b) the damage they'd do to the Republic having to find a way to cope with increasing their population by 50% of ex-slaves! The Republic just wouldn't cope. Yes, it would be hard for the Empire in the short term, suddenly having to become more efficient to afford to pay their staff (or for the lords to live in less luxury), but I don't think that wouldn't actually be a bad thing in the long term.
And many of the things that are holding the republic loyalists together are premissed on ending slavery. How many of them would continue to fight together if that went away?
Luckily, Jamyl didn't do that... (But this is totally OOC)....
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Anyhow, back to the questions at hand: Is Esna's plan reasonable?
My answer is yes, but only in the long term, as Ulphus said. The Empire is an extremely slow-moving juggernaut socially, and it it will take many generations of Holders before we see anything approaching what Esna is aiming for being accepted on a wide scale. Given, however, the current trend of liberalism continues in the Empire, and the "shifts by the dominant House" theory does not hold, I think he'll get some - if not all - of what he's pushing for.
I think I agree.
At one stage when wassername the empress got in charge, I thought that the thing that would screw the Matari over the most would be for her to release all the slaves.
All of them.
The Amarr would probably need robots to take over some of the drudge jobs, and they'd probably take some examples to encourage the others to get all the slaves released, but think of a) the propaganda coup when a reasonable percentage decided to stay in the Empire to take up the newly available paid jobs, and b) the damage they'd do to the Republic having to find a way to cope with increasing their population by 50% of ex-slaves! The Republic just wouldn't cope. Yes, it would be hard for the Empire in the short term, suddenly having to become more efficient to afford to pay their staff (or for the lords to live in less luxury), but I don't think that wouldn't actually be a bad thing in the long term.
And many of the things that are holding the republic loyalists together are premissed on ending slavery. How many of them would continue to fight together if that went away?
Luckily, Jamyl didn't do that... (But this is totally OOC)....
Almost the entire imperial workforce is slavery from memory, it would take more than a few drudge robots to completely fill the epic and enourmously monumental burden that the slavery system holds inside of the Empire.
But thats getting off topic and is potentially worthy of its own thread.
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Math'ra has a few goals, one is to see his family progess to holder status within the Kingdom and become a family of note in their own right.
Another one that very few people have ever found out about was the finally figure out what the F*** happened to his Father. (This is perhaps his most driving goal, but the least actively pursued - in other words, I IZ STILL PLANNING IT :D)
To see the Kingdom maintain its status as a seperate and acknowledged State, and to see it grow in power and size to be a rival for the main Empires, Math'ra is fervently loyal to the Kingdom and is completely dissillusioned with the Empire.
So, short term, long term and EPIC term goals.
Managable :D
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To free as many slaves as he can and kill the slavers. Trying to stop people being taken as slaves in the first place is grand too.
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Arnulf would like a family someday I think.
Partly to shut up the his baseline clansfolk who seem to think all he is good for is killing (his clan has never had much of a warrior tradition you see).
And partly because what is the point if there is nobody to remember you once entropy catches up?
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(Relatively) Short Term Quest:
To use every necessary tool available for her to spread enough terror and fear in the Empire that they'll realize keeping the Matari slaves is far more trouble than it's worth. As long as there is a Matari enslaved by a Holder, the fires burning in any true Matari's veins can never be extinguished or lessened. She derives a great deal of amusement from the fact that the best tool for the job (from an IC pov) will also provide the vengeance that the Empire so clearly deserve.
Long term quest:
Once the Matari are finally free, it's time to turn an eye onto the Republic... and raze it to the ground. The cultural slavery the Federation is imposing onto the Matari people can not be allowed. It's a gentler and easier form of slavery, and yet it's far more dangerous and insidious than the Empire's kind, as it's hard to see for what it is.
A proper Matari government needs to be formed with the Tribal nature of the Matari being represented properly and allowing the tribes unity without conformity. This will allow the Matari to finally rise to their potential, which will in turn allow them to become a force to be reckoned with...
The punishing hammer hovering over all who believe that a human can ever be property.
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TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
Which one?
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Maintenance of the status quo.
No, seriously. Simon wants to get rich, sure, and build things and make friends, but mostly he wants his home to not change much and for tomorrow to be a lot like today.
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To catch the dragon.
Oh, and to eventually overthrow the Amarrian government. Maybe do something about slavery in the meantime.
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To catch the dragon.
You can't catch the dragon! It's always out of reach! You just keep chasing and chasing, but it's always just one step ahead of you!
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To catch the dragon.
You can't catch the dragon! It's always out of reach! You just keep chasing and chasing, but it's always just one step ahead of you!
Well, our quest doesn't have to be rational, does it? :D
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Oh, and to eventually overthrow the Amarrian government. Maybe do something about slavery in the meantime.
I don't think it is even possible in a convencional way, isn't it ?
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Silver: Rework Sansha's Nation and bring all of the wonderful things from the Nation to the people of New Eden.
Saernal Teirild: Avoid being the star of a war-crimes trial, I suppose.
Malaneth Serir: Discharge her obligation to Hilion so she can kill him.
Hilion: To never run out of booze
Amieta: Nowadays it would be the safety of her loved ones, I guess.
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For Sansha's Nation to be rejiggered slightly and for folks to experience the wonderful things he thinks it is capable of (which is not necessarily equivalent with integration).
'For everyone to get along with everyone else' also features prominently on Kyber's list of things he wants to see done.
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Amann: Get that damn nightmare of seeing his homeworld on fire out of his head. He also thinks that his actions will actually cause this. Additionally, he'd like to see the Empress and Theology Council dead, and the Empire reorganized.
Deceiver's Voice: Figure everything out, without completely losing (what's left) of her mind.
Alana Kel: Explore the universe, make some ISK, and do both while having as much fun as possible.
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*bites at the bait*
The short-term:
- do her duty to corporation, kirjuun, and CEO (This would go for any corporation she was with.)
- offer what degree of balance and insight she can to whoever needs it (Which is just about every one of you wackos. :P )
- find someone to share 'immortality' with (Once again, we're not exactly a stable bunch, and a theoretical forever is still a theoretical long time. <.< )
The long-term:
- help the Republic stand strong against the Amarr so it won't need to rely on the Gallente; Once free of the influence from both, Ko hopes the Minmatar will be more willing to seek warmer ties, as equals, with the State. FW made that idea just a little harder, even if the move to a tribal government made her little brain happy. (Go go, Liberal agenda!)
The really long-term:
- follow the spiritual and scientific imperative to explore the universe beyond known space; Not quite Aria's reasons for Exodus - the technical problems are the same, though. 'Immortality' offers a long time to learn about the universe and one's place in it. (Stargazer-lucky-enough-to-be-among-the-stars, away! .../o/ )
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On a more "serious" note:
Vieve: To stay out of history's way.
Sabi: To recover what she can of the past from the ruins of the present in defiance of an uncertain future.
Celeste: To make history stay out of her way.
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Dossie's quest: Originally vengeance, but now she's got a bun in the oven and with Bill, maybe just a quiet life of death and destruction.
Mei's quest: To find the bottom of the barrel and live life to the full.
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Alright, I'll give this a shot, too.
Quickie backstory: Shin grew up in a tiny and insular community in an asteroid in Luminaire. The end.
Her main goal is to safeguard her clade - her family - who suffer from the same sorts of small-genepool problems that many very tiny and insular communities suffer from. This has largely been accomplished, at least for the time being, at some personal and ethical cost to her.
That said, she's discovered that it's not really possible to go home again. Her clade will survive, she has done her part in making sure of that, but they will survive without her. So her other large goal at this point is to find some reason to get up in the morning and feel passionate about more than just "what shall I feed arf for breakfast"?
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I think Max's heart longs for a true calling… some sort of a reason to live. But in reality most days are simply a struggle for him to get out of bed only to realise he is a meaningless cog in a massive machine of redundant cogs.
So, he keeps his dreams realistic… some nice hand-rolled Intaki cigars when he can get them (or Caldari machine rolled when he can't) and to have enough grain on hand to keep the dusty homemade still in the back of the shop cranking out the sauce. A cargo hold full of salvage, a fast frigate to work on in the shop and callused hands permanently stained with Lorentz fluid is enough to keep him "happy".
Little does Max know that despite his "Who gives a flying F" or "What's the use F it" attitude and lack of interest to do much besides drink, smoke and fix/build stuff… he is going to end up one of the best mechanics in the universe using his skills to aid the fight for freedom against oppressors and despots universe wide!
I may have to drag his sorry hung-over ass out of bed more than a few times before he gets there though.