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How do you rationalize or conceptualize capsuleer public records? Some people put 'CONCORD Public File' on their bios and list a variety of details. Others make Evelopedia pages. Others provide nothing.
What is your IC understanding of this variation? The people that provide more literally allowed their public records to include more things than employment history and security status? Research of that character would easily find that information?
Obviously, detailed CONCORD records are not available for everyone because otherwise far more than employment history and security status would be discoverable about every single character - the only alternative is that all of it is generally public record but somehow the vast majority of capsuleers are bribing CONCORD. Obviously that idea doesn't work. The blank bios seem suggest a record status more along the lines of some of the fiction, such as The Burning Life where it was only through great lengths that the name of a capsuleer was discovered.
Thoughts?
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I think that, from an IC perspective, lots of things would be available through simple galnet search if the targeted capsuleer had engaged in certain activities. For example, any egger who'd used their given name in a way that was associated with their callsign. Those who've been more secretive, would be harder to find. For that matter, upon receiving the capsuleer's license, there may be a check box for "Given Name Public/Private" much the same way you check off whether to be an organ donor or not when you get a driver's license.
I think if CONCORD/DED had a capsuleer on the bad list, they'd list the charges, so that sort of thing would be easily accessible. The FBI most wanted list certain lists charges, I can't see why DED would be secretive about that.
I also think that "realistically" (I know, video game, etc.), a lot more than employment history and sec status would be ICly available. Capsuleers are a special thing compared to the average baseliner - lots of their actions would be news items in tabloids if nothing else, much the same way as it's on the front page at every supermarket checkout that this movie star or that musician visited a beach last week or got their car washed or what have you.
As for bribing CONCORD to conceal information, bribing CONCORD can't be that big of a deal. You pay a couple million to get them to let you shoot people in highsec. You pay locator agents a pittance to review stargate jump logs and docking logs to tell you what system someone is in and if they're docked or not (of course, this doesn't work if they're in wspace, but you get a response telling you they're not in kspace). How expensive could it be to make sure they keep a tighter lid on certain information?
EDIT: I know locator agents aren't a function of CONCORD, I include it only as an example of bribing NPC entities not being expensive.
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As far as I'm concerned, everything other than what game mechanics deliver (basic char info, employment records, kill/loss records etc), everything else is in the hands of the Empires/CONCORD and can only be attained through very great effort or by the egger choosing to publicly display it. Public actions will quite likely be recorded somewhere by some media or another, but actual character data sheets would be held in confidence by the authorities that would actually have some use from it.
Of course, you might hear all kinds of things through the grapevine, but the veracity of the information will be suspect.
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I would expect New Eden has its version of Wikipedia and that like Wikipedia a great level of personal details are available about influential people (of which capsuleers count as).
As for the CONCORD records, I consider only the basics to be available publically while things like history, psych profiles, and whatnot are private information that can only be found via dedicated hunting IE bribes/hacking/etc.
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On top of the wiki-thing, you have the supposed fandom of Capsuleers. Crazies find all sorts of information about the things (people) they're passionate about.
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I think personal background also would have a lot to do with it. Some figures come from significantly more public pre-pod backgrounds than others and would have more information available about them as a result.
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So for those of you that assume a decent amount of detail would be public, how do you ICly rationalize meeting a capsuleer you know nothing about and have no actual way of finding anything about?
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So for those of you that assume a decent amount of detail would be public, how do you ICly rationalize meeting a capsuleer you know nothing about and have no actual way of finding anything about?
By assuming that that person simply hasn't had a whole lot of coverage yet, or has deliberately tried to withhold their background information from those groups that would be seeking to expose it. Avoiding the press, refusing interviews, etc.
Also, by asking OOCly if there is anything available on them that they simply haven't taken the time to write up.
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It seems to be one of those weird areas where there is a delicate balance between dictating something about another character out of necessity or just brushing away mechanics. I haven't been able to find a nice balance of how I like to approach it. It is one of those areas where the universe irks me a bit, because from the necessity of a game approach there just isn't an answer that satisfies me.
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I thought about this situation, when I decided to write my current profile, and I agree that CONCORD information might be hard accessible.
For my character I have used a "House of Records" hosting organization of profile, as my character is Caldari and I believe that it is this exact organization that should contain all records about Caldari citizens or ex-citizens (i.e. all capsuleers of Caldari(incl. Achura and other client states) descent).
On the other hand, I don't personally like this dossier-type info, as it consumes lots of space and provides little information. I will remove it soon, as I feel not lazy enough to rework my character profile. I have already decided, that instead of this profile, I will describe character physically, so players could imagine, whom they are speaking with, and how the character behaves in conversation.
As for current profile, I will save it for later, to rework and extend it, probably releasing in semi-public-accessible format in a picture... or....
I think about more interesting variant, if someone would RP with me about getting information about my character, I could give portions of dossier if they will be "hacking" or doing other information retrieval activities. Taking into account nature of my character, there would be two completely different profiles for her, and this information gathering could become a fun mini quest.
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Anyanka and I both see bios as autobiographies. No CONCORD records actually exist. We see and rationalize CONCORD records as capsuleers poor attempts to preserve their identity through false documentation.
We look at capsuleer NPC actor's bios for a legitimate use for bios other than dumps of information.
To answer meeting a capsuleer and not beIng able to know anything about them is easy for Anya because she knows CONCORD records are just lies made up by the capsuleers themselves.
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I like to imagine that Saede's fanclub wrote her wiki entry.
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Anyanka and I both see bios as autobiographies. No CONCORD records actually exist. We see and rationalize CONCORD records as capsuleers poor attempts to preserve their identity through false documentation.
We look at capsuleer NPC actor's bios for a legitimate use for bios other than dumps of information.
To answer meeting a capsuleer and not beIng able to know anything about them is easy for Anya because she knows CONCORD records are just lies made up by the capsuleers themselves.
So you don't think that the organization which hands out the licenses to even be a capsuleer would keep some sort of record of said capsuleers?
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I think what she means is that whether or not CONCORD does keep such records isn't relevant in the case of capsuleer public bios, as CONCORD isn't in the habit of putting whatever records they might have on those bios. In other words, anything on public bios is written by the capsuleer themselves, which is an appropriate belief to have and a reason why I'm considering removing the CONCORD thing from mine and likewise avoiding the 'appearance description' thing. If we take the bio as capsuleer-written only then putting either of these things on her bio isn't something Samira would intentionally do.
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Also, by asking OOCly if there is anything available on them that they simply haven't taken the time to write up.
I don't think this portion of it can be overstated. At worst you'll get a simple 'no', at best you'll get a toe in on an interesting and extended story arc.
Regarding the original question:
I imagine that CONCORD maintains a simple database of all capsuleers, with the basic information from each capsuleer's file accessible to that capsuleer. Some capsuleers, for whatever reason, choose to go get a copy of their files and post them in their bios.
Whether someone could access another capsuleer's file without their cooperation is another question entirely.
What a capsuleer posts in their bio is their own business, and selected by them alone.
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I think what she means is that whether or not CONCORD does keep such records isn't relevant in the case of capsuleer public bios, as CONCORD isn't in the habit of putting whatever records they might have on those bios. In other words, anything on public bios is written by the capsuleer themselves, which is an appropriate belief to have and a reason why I'm considering removing the CONCORD thing from mine and likewise avoiding the 'appearance description' thing as putting either of these things on her bio isn't something Samira would intentionally do if we take the bio as capsuleer-written.
He literally said the files don't exist.
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Anything in the bio is the capsuleer's autohagiography.
It has 0 officialness.
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Anyanka and I both see bios as autobiographies. No CONCORD records actually exist. We see and rationalize CONCORD records as capsuleers poor attempts to preserve their identity through false documentation.
We look at capsuleer NPC actor's bios for a legitimate use for bios other than dumps of information.
To answer meeting a capsuleer and not beIng able to know anything about them is easy for Anya because she knows CONCORD records are just lies made up by the capsuleers themselves.
So you don't think that the organization which hands out the licenses to even be a capsuleer would keep some sort of record of said capsuleers?
Licenses are brought, so no. You are not giving any info when you buy PLEX ICly. Sansha Kuvekei is a capsuleer. ICly all capsuleers buy PLEX from someone, not always from CONCORD.
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Licenses are brought, so no. You are not giving any info when you buy PLEX ICly. Sansha Kuvekei is a capsuleer. ICly all capsuleers buy PLEX from someone, not always from CONCORD.
That is a license extension, not the license itself.
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Licenses are brought, so no. You are not giving any info when you buy PLEX ICly. Sansha Kuvekei is a capsuleer. ICly all capsuleers buy PLEX from someone, not always from CONCORD.
That is a license extension, not the license itself.
So Kuvakei got his license from CONCORD? :psyccp:
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But you do give info when you sign up for the program. They have things like your IQ and medical profile (including genetics) and so forth, as established in EVE Source. Or rather, the schools have these things, but as CONCORD handles capsuleer policies they almost certainly have access to all of these things. And as a law enforcement agency they certainly would have criminal records (represented by security status).
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So Kuvakei got his license from CONCORD? :psyccp:
Kuvakei probably doesn't have a license, as I'm not sure he's a capsuleer at all. Not all characters with viewable profiles are capsuleers. Heth wasn't, for example, as he's established in lore as not even physically capable of being a capsuleer.
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In anycase, ICly and OOCly hold the same beliefs, not going to backpedal. 100% agree with Synthia.
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So Kuvakei got his license from CONCORD? :psyccp:
Kuvakei probably doesn't have a license. Assuming he's a capsuleer at all. Not all characters with viewable profiles are capsuleers. Heth wasn't, for example, as he's established in lore as not even physically capable of being a capsuleer.
Indeed. There are several in-game characters that we have no reason to believe are capsuleers.
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So Kuvakei got his license from CONCORD? :psyccp:
Kuvakei probably doesn't have a license. Assuming he's a capsuleer at all. Not all characters with viewable profiles are capsuleers. Heth wasn't, for example, as he's established in lore as not even physically capable of being a capsuleer.
Indeed. There are several in-game characters that we have no reason to believe are capsuleers.
Mechanically all ingame characters are agents, or capsuleers. A few happen to be both. Mostly pirate faction officers.
Mechanically, if they appear in a chat channel, and say they're not capsuleers, they're lying.
Or DUST characters.
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Mechanically all ingame characters are agents, or capsuleers. A few happen to be both. Mostly pirate faction officers.
Mechanically, if they appear in a chat channel, and say they're not capsuleers, they're lying.
Or DUST characters.
I was specifically agreeing with PF characters such as Heth. Not player characters. Yes, all player characters are capsuleers.
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We should be wary of using the limitations of the game engine and UI to limit our storytelling.
Bios are a fun way to parcel out ic background information to others without having to talk about it. I never treated them as the capsuleer writing text and posting it on his or her file.
And concord/empires have all your basic infos for licensure. No empire spends millions to train you without keeping detailed personal and psychological profiles for future use.
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Mechanically all ingame characters are agents, or capsuleers. A few happen to be both. Mostly pirate faction officers.
Mechanically, if they appear in a chat channel, and say they're not capsuleers, they're lying.
Or DUST characters.
I was specifically agreeing with PF characters such as Heth. Not player characters. Yes, all player characters are capsuleers.
I don't know about Heth, but Sansha Kuvakei appeared in chat channels, and in space, flying a ship.
He's a capsuleer.
There's a couple other examples, I think.
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Mechanically all ingame characters are agents, or capsuleers. A few happen to be both. Mostly pirate faction officers.
Mechanically, if they appear in a chat channel, and say they're not capsuleers, they're lying.
Or DUST characters.
I was specifically agreeing with PF characters such as Heth. Not player characters. Yes, all player characters are capsuleers.
I don't know about Heth, but Sansha Kuvakei appeared in chat channels, and in space, flying a ship.
He's a capsuleer.
There's a couple other examples, I think.
I don't know of any PF that states he is one, so I won't call him one until I see that.
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If he's been seen flying a ship then I'd assume he's a capsuleer. I thought he only ever worked from behind the scenes so I wasn't sure, but if he's been out in space then he's probably one.
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It seems likely, but we can't really know unless someone sees him in a pod or PF mentions it. There are non-capsuleer ships in the game, after all - there's nothing to stop them from having named ones.
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Technically, I don't see why someone couldn't be a baseliner in space with access to the comms interface through *insert technobabble handwave here.*
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Mechanically all ingame characters are agents, or capsuleers. A few happen to be both. Mostly pirate faction officers.
Mechanically, if they appear in a chat channel, and say they're not capsuleers, they're lying.
Or DUST characters.
I was specifically agreeing with PF characters such as Heth. Not player characters. Yes, all player characters are capsuleers.
I don't know about Heth, but Sansha Kuvakei appeared in chat channels, and in space, flying a ship.
He's a capsuleer.
There's a couple other examples, I think.
Asias Urazmie is another example.
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Technically, I don't see why someone couldn't be a baseliner in space with access to the comms interface through *insert technobabble handwave here.*
For players? The combination of fiction and mechanics is just overwhelming. One by itself has to be ignored for various things, but it is simply obvious that every player is intended to be a capsuleer. Obviously, there have been those that try to create characters that aren't. I hope they have fun with it, but that's too strong of a YDIW situation for me to really participate. Same with characters that are supposed to be sixteen or some other such nonsense.
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For players, I agree absolutely. I meant for an event actor.
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For players, I agree absolutely. I meant for an event actor.
Oh, okay. I misunderstood. Topics crossing in mah brains.
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Like SlaveTama, SlaveHeavenbound, etc, Master Kuvakei as the character was flying capsuleer ships in the Sansha invasion event series, iirc.
As for is "Master Kuvakei" THE Sansha Kuvakei... I guess ? Or through a Sansha proxy ? Making him at least indirectly a capsuleer ?
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Like SlaveTama, SlaveHeavenbound, etc, Master Kuvakei as the character was flying capsuleer ships in the Sansha invasion event series, iirc.
As for is "Master Kuvakei" THE Sansha Kuvakei... I guess ? Or through a Sansha proxy ? Making him at least indirectly a capsuleer ?
Veering off topic, but I believe Mr. Sansha has the space magics tech and can basically embody any ship he damn well pleases if enough of his networked servants or SanchaCo. tech are on board? I don't think the man really relies on a physical 'body' any more except for publicity's sake. Think capsuleer clone jumping on steroids.
Back to topic:
Use the capsuleer 'bio' to share things you want to share without having to explicitly tell everyone you meet 'im 5-9 and weigh this much and these are physical descriptions and a bit of background' etc.
I use the bios sometimes as what a cursory search by another capsuleer would probably come up with. If I were a 1%er financially and power-wise here on Earth and I wanted to know info about another rich person 'x' I could throw (for me) small money at the question and have a dossier rather quickly materialize, all the investigating and hacking and whatever done by people I don't care about doing the thing for a paycheck.
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My issue with the CONCORD records thingy in the character bio is less about them existing but more about who wrote them. Honestly speaking, I thought it was a bit egomaniacal to write one's own CONCORD record, which is why I do not bother. I always figured that I should let others judge my character than doing the judging myself.
And on that note, I really should take some time to update my character's bio. There's tons of revisions I think I should do. Mainly on the part regarding Clan Egivand and Elmund's history.
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My issue with the CONCORD records thingy in the character bio is less about them existing but more about who wrote them. Honestly speaking, I thought it was a bit egomaniacal to write one's own CONCORD record, which is why I do not bother. I always figured that I should let others judge my character than doing the judging myself.
And on that note, I really should take some time to update my character's bio. There's tons of revisions I think I should do. Mainly on the part regarding Clan Egivand and Elmund's history.
I think doing your 'own' bio from another's POV is a great exercize in changing perspective. How would concord view your character? Your home empire? The teeming planetside masses?
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My issue with the CONCORD records thingy in the character bio is less about them existing but more about who wrote them. Honestly speaking, I thought it was a bit egomaniacal to write one's own CONCORD record, which is why I do not bother. I always figured that I should let others judge my character than doing the judging myself.
I think this is part of why I think people often stick to more basic, factual information - X years old, Y tall, Z hair color, etc. It's neither egomaniacal nor creates any kind of particular pre-interaction judgement to just list some basic info.
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My issue with the CONCORD records thingy in the character bio is less about them existing but more about who wrote them. Honestly speaking, I thought it was a bit egomaniacal to write one's own CONCORD record, which is why I do not bother. I always figured that I should let others judge my character than doing the judging myself.
And on that note, I really should take some time to update my character's bio. There's tons of revisions I think I should do. Mainly on the part regarding Clan Egivand and Elmund's history.
I think doing your 'own' bio from another's POV is a great exercize in changing perspective. How would concord view your character? Your home empire? The teeming planetside masses?
CONCORD would probably think that my character is a bit of a lying piece of crap, considering that he has gotten negative sec status but always claims that it was all self-defense by way of shooting notorious evil flashy pirates first. But I wouldn't write in the character bio that CONCORD classifies the character as an insane notorious lunatic who needs to be shot down at first sight.
How am I supposed to back that? I had just dictated how others should treat my character and I consider that as a roleplaying no-no.
(Also, planetside masses' opinion on Elmund? Probably along the lines of 'Who?' considering that the Matari do not really care too much about one's capsuleer-ship. You can't use the status to get a free cup of coffee in Hek, and neither can you use it to jump queue.)
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Mechanically all ingame characters are agents, or capsuleers. A few happen to be both. Mostly pirate faction officers.
Mechanically, if they appear in a chat channel, and say they're not capsuleers, they're lying.
Or DUST characters.
I was specifically agreeing with PF characters such as Heth. Not player characters. Yes, all player characters are capsuleers.
I don't know about Heth, but Sansha Kuvakei appeared in chat channels, and in space, flying a ship.
He's a capsuleer.
There's a couple other examples, I think.
Asias Urazmie is another example.
I think most NPC pilots are non capsuleers. Those Pirate rats you shoot are full of people, either screaming in pain and fear as your weapons fire penetrates the hull and decompresses the interior, or perhaps jumping into some kind of non Goo filled escape ship/ capsule.
Present day pirates in Somalia are essentially a swarm of destitute and desperate people that take over whatever ship will hold them all, and point rocket launchers at potential victims over the side. I imagine NPC ships are the same. Perhaps some slaves or homeless escaped from the station where they were being sold, flooded onto a battleship and undocked. Perhaps these are the 'gangbangers' that Jace was looking for.
From what I know, player pilots are capsuleers that undergo training before they get their license. I'm not sure if these licenses are granted by CONCORD or not. I seem to remember Aura, and the training session being conducted by the Insurance company. There were also the agents in the newbie tutorials.
As far as the fictional game world, I see no reason why an untrained, non-capsuleer crew member couldn't simply kill the capsuleer in a mutiny and hijack their pod.
Yes, it's true that 'not everyone can do it', there's the possibility of mind lock and so on. However, if your choice is either certain death as an anonymous red shirt, or a sliver of a chance that you could be a powerful, wealthy and famous immortal, why not take that chance?
CONCORD records for each capsuleer would likely exist, but they would be compiled from a record of in game data transmissions. In the case of an outlaw such as a Blood Raider, there is likely the option to scramble those transmissions so that CONCORD can't decode, or even recognize them.
Since our clones don't have the exact same genetic material that we ourselves do (for some bizarre reason, :psyccp:), it's conceivable that a Blood Raider could pull identity theft by downloading their mind into the body of an Amarrian loyalist.
The mind of a Blood Raider could be inhabiting the body of Amarrian loyalist, allowing him to pass retina scans, fingerprint and voice print identification and so on. This would allow him to fight in faction war without arousing suspicions (other than his tendency to preach Sani Sabik of course). It might be an explanation for Karsoth too.
I see that 'clone jack' is a rank we can achieve here, much as I have become a 'wet graver'. Is it possible to 'hack' the mind uploading technology to allow the mind of one person to inhabit the body(ies) of another? There is at least one chronicle about identity theft.
As for those outlaws that DO have CONCORD records? Well, we can assume that we would only be reading those because we (the readers) are members of CONCORD ourselves.
Some outlaws, such as Blood Raiders, are by habit well practiced in 'security culture', skulking around in shadows, spreading disinformation, and keeping everything secret. A Sani Sabik in the Empire would be very much in the closet, since the consequences for their friends and family if they were discovered would be harsh indeed.
Other outlaws, such as the Guristas or the Angels, are arrogant, defiant and outspoken rebels that just don't care what others think of them. That includes CONCORD. A well publicized criminal record might even help to spread their infamous name and instill fear in potential victims or enemies. This is why traditionally, marauders such as Attila the Hun would slaughter everyone in a village except for one person, who was released to spread the news to the surrounding villages.
Consider that a Gurista pirate wants an ISK bounty or the loot from their victims, whereas a Blood Raider wants to keep your body as livestock to drain blood for sustenance. A robber relies on fear and intimidation to extract what (s)he needs, but a predator must capture their target unaware.
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Most capsuleers can't jump into bodies too different then their own, they get horrible body dismorphia and other bad side effects. Don't have the pf link on hand. So all your clones are basically physically identical. There are a few cases of this not being the case but extremely rare.
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Most capsuleers can't jump into bodies too different then their own, they get horrible body dismorphia and other bad side effects. Don't have the pf link on hand. So all your clones are basically physically identical. There are a few cases of this not being the case but extremely rare.
This. That was discussed in at least one Chronicle, but I don't recall which one.
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Seems sort of giggle-worthy that being thrown thousands of light years across space is okay, and piloting a gigantic ship as if it were one's own body is okay, complete with the 'physical' sensations of firing guns etc, and being able to train into any faction/size/fit-compilaton of ship is also perfectly okay of you feel like it, but oh noes, you better not get into a body with a bra size one size larger than your own, or shorter hair, etc, cause body dysmorphia.
That you could cure the next morning, by, oh, clone jumping back into your own body. Or much like training to fly a new frigate, simply injecting the knowledge of any newly shaped body you're clone jumping into, since they're pretty crafty with the brain and its functioning/scanning/programming... unless they're killing off plot characters.
Unless they're using a RL term for a usual EVE-science-magic-spirit-abomination, which is always possible.
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Unless they're using a RL term for a usual EVE-science-magic-spirit-abomination, which is always possible.
I think this is largely what it is - especially because the more I think about it, I think the mentions of it were mostly in the novels. It really is a very unfortunate use of terminology. Some sort of sensory-diffusion would have made more sense, they could have easily technobabbled it as your brain going 'ahhhh, I am not sensing the things I am supposed to be sensing.' Sort of like phantom leg syndrome on a massive scale.
But no, they chose a term that has an actual meaning in real life.
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Well, there is a difference between a body which is A LOT different than yours, and a body that has been given the same fingerprint and retina as someone else.
I agree though, it does seem 'giggle worthy'. Not only are the lower grade clones made out of animal parts (???), but apparently the clone blanks your mind is downloaded into don't even carry the same DNA as you, at least for a while.
I wonder who wrote that section about clones? Apparently they have never taken a Grade ten biology course.
A clone is an exact genetic replica of the original, or it just doesn't meet the definition of clone. Taking a bunch of Spam or meat paste (i.e. animal parts) and pressing it into a humanoid form before inserting your DNA into it just doesn't cut it somehow.
Also, it would be cheaper/ easier/ more realistic to take undifferentiated cells from the original, and simply let these grow in a nutrient solution or womb. That's how clones are done today.
Cells are microscopic. Animal parts are large, awkward and messy. How are the EVE clones an improvement on the actual, scientific cloning procedures that we have today?
Back on topic though. Locks are for honest people. There are ways around CONCORD records. It's conceivable that the Blood Raiders have agents everywhere, and this allows them to alter CONCORD records at least. Also, Blood Raiders would want to keep their records a secret, but the Guristas and Angels might see them as a bragging point.
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Simple. Ignore the older article. It means nothing and has no relevance. It was almost certainly written to explain why recustomization did not permit changing race and sex. Source overrules it by describing it as possible*, and according to the CSM mechanics will soon permit it.
Also remember, that it's been established since EVE True Stories that (some) alts are explained as another clone you jump into. That also verifies that there is no dysphoria issue (or if it is, it's something that some people don't have or don't care about).
If previous articles established some BS dysphoria issue with clones of different appearances, then those articles are simply wrong and no longer apply.
*"Even today, with cloning somewhat more commonly accepated (if not necessarily well regarded), stories persist of people blurring the lines of personhood and identity further by cloning themselves into completely different bodies, across the gender and race gaps." - EVE Source
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I'll also point to this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI4VkO6qr0U&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1&index=13) as yet more proof.
"Thanks to cloning technology, you can have nearly any appearance you wish."
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Hmm, yep it is a clear retcon situation. Good to know. I'll still look up the previous mentions of it out of curiosity, but they indeed have moved beyond it.
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Although this video got me impression on more mix of IC and OOC. I felt it like was told to new players, instead of baseliners.
At the moment still if you show yourself as a Minmatar, you will emerge in Minmatar training corporation, and not in Gallente, if you were, for example, Gallente who wished to look like a Minmatar.
About ten years ago, having some contacts with underground, I could easily get access to all databases about peoples, stolen from major cell phone operators, police, tax service. And these bases were sold for rather cheap price.
I believe it could have easily been done in Eve world as well, where most of criminal factions simply have copies of whole CONCORD databases, maybe outdated by a year or a half (depending how good insiders can work :P), but still, this can be rather easily achieved.
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In regards to what Samira is saying this is from the CSM minutes (found here: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf ):
Possible new services from the NES:
Race change certificates.
Gender change certificates.
This and some discussion on it is to be found at page 40.
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You can reconcile the two with saying that there have been advances in cloning in the last ten years.
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In-game I notice capsuleers changing their appearances: hence it is possible.
In-game I have never noticed anyone being able to download their consciousness in any other body other than their own, and I only see one copy of a consciousness/body exist at the same time. With some imagination I can fit some of the lore into these observed facts, but as for others, I simply assume that what I see in-game is what is real.
Fortunately, I've never seen anyone claim clone-jacking.
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I only see one copy of a consciousness/body exist at the same time.
About this bit: Yes, CONCORD and the big 4 start to get very upset when you run multiple clones of yourself. I think there was a bounty-hunt style live event years back involving a scientist who'd had multiple active clones at the same time.
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Simple. Ignore the older article. It means nothing and has no relevance. It was almost certainly written to explain why recustomization did not permit changing race and sex. Source overrules it by describing it as possible*, and according to the CSM mechanics will soon permit it.
Also remember, that it's been established since EVE True Stories that (some) alts are explained as another clone you jump into. That also verifies that there is no dysphoria issue (or if it is, it's something that some people don't have or don't care about).
If previous articles established some BS dysphoria issue with clones of different appearances, then those articles are simply wrong and no longer apply.
*"Even today, with cloning somewhat more commonly accepated (if not necessarily well regarded), stories persist of people blurring the lines of personhood and identity further by cloning themselves into completely different bodies, across the gender and race gaps." - EVE Source
It doesn't say they have no psychological problems afterwards.
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Capsuleers don't tend to suffer massive psychological issues when switching between shuttles and Titans either as ship-of-choice. As the ship essentially 'becomes' your body while you're piloting it (one loses all sensory feedback from their body in the hydrostatic fluid and the ships 'sensations' become their own, the disassociation required to be a capsuleer .. I'm having issues understanding why they couldn't, or wouldn't, be equally disassociated with their own bodies, much less anyone else's they happen to be inhabiting. right, might be vaugely uncomfortable or feel "wierd" to be in a body that isn't yours .. but officially (especially now after changes to lore) - every body we're in isn't ours. Even if we have our own old body laying around cause we decided to ignore that snippet, it is likely hidden somewhere safe and is not the one Capsuleers use to fly into battle and whatnot.
.. not to say a sense of dysphoria would't exist. But Capusleers are likely the types to be the LEAST effected by such to prevent the cray cray / mindlock sorts of situations. Also essentially, body dysmorphia can be healed (not cured. healed.) by making the changes required by the mind so that the body fits. dysphoria is also not "damage" or "insanity". It is a "state of mind" that while it can be uncomfortable, it should not be considered a form of mental "illness" any more than as someone mention, a "phantom limb" issue.
Which, again... of all ppl, Capsullers, again, I'd see as the least effcted. Sure our "average" Empyrean with a medical clone, sure. Someone who flies dozens of shiptypes and can command hundreds of different modules as if they were one's own arms and legs... not so much imo.
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I think, therefore I am. I think, and my mind is cast across the light-years to appear before yours. I think, and a kilometer long hull pulls a turn that would shear lesser vessels in half, before throwing itself across systems or even the vast darkness between them. I think, and I reach out to touch you, with furious violence or bringing you from the brink of death. I think and thousands die.
I am a God.
What does it matter what shape I wear? It is as much a function of my mind as everything else is now.
tl;dr, Arista's right. A nubbins might have issues, but a veteran capsuleer should be fully capable of existing as an infomorph, capable of wearing whatever body they desire.
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About this bit: Yes, CONCORD and the big 4 start to get very upset when you run multiple clones of yourself. I think there was a bounty-hunt style live event years back involving a scientist who'd had multiple active clones at the same time.
Ooh, Concord gets upset! Scary! :eek:
I guess they get more upset when you make two clones than when you criminally kill thousands of people?
And all those people who are fugutives from Concord already? Ah well, I do guess Zor has thousands of clones running all over EVE. 8)
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A casual disregard for lives combined with a burning need for control would certainly make multiple active clones a priority for CONCORD. A few thousand lives taken is a small price to pay for the usefulness of eggers not quite recognizing the leashes around their necks.
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It's *okay if you kill criminals.*
CONCORD *says so*. ;)
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I use mine for basic info and the sort of stuff you'd get skim reading galnet. I have an eve wiki page I'm "Working on" for less accessible but still publicly available background
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I have finally removed dossier from the bio and has replaced it with description of appearance of the character.
Unfortunately, hit character limit wall and very many traits were left outside. But, I believe, that with the new bio it would be easier to imagine character whom you are speaking with as an actual human, instead of a "file in a folder" :P