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Guide to nullsec system holding wanted
Casiella:
Please don't make the mistake of assuming that the fuel you produce planetside is "free". It may not require cash flow, but you're giving up the option of selling it on the market, and thus it costs you.
orange:
--- Quote from: Saikoyu on 27 Nov 2010, 09:29 ---To follow up on what was said, can low sec moon mining be profitable, or at least break even, assuming a use of PI for some of the fuel?
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It depends on the moon(s) and the market really. And these can be very dynamic and attempting to chase them can lead to financial loses.
John Revenent:
More then often you have to kneel to overlords and become a pet to claim even one system, even if it is not claimed alot of the alliances out there will remove you because it is within their "Sphere of Influence". To hold anything you need at least 500 people, and supercaps is also a plus.. Even then its very hard to go alone.
As for POS's I-RED operates some 20ish POS's with only 4 operators (3 Jump Frieghters as well).. its easier then one would think if you have a good logistical plan in place, and yes we have figured out a way to reduce costs by 85%-90% depending on the area for PI fuel.
Borza:
--- Quote from: orange on 24 Nov 2010, 17:19 ---Slightly different approach; how many active characters should a system have operating regularly in it before it is overburdened?
This of course varies between systems.
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It doesn't vary much with upgrades.
If you run anoms as gangs of around 20-30, with mostly BS and some smaller ships like AF/Recons/HACs to kill other ships and protect from roaming PvPers you can make insane money - more than any but the most optimal setup running them solo and in much more safety. Esp since you don't need faction fit marauders to make the big isk ;)
So easily several hundred character alliance in a couple of fully upgraded systems if you run the anoms in such a way.
--- Quote from: Casiella on 27 Nov 2010, 09:32 ---Please don't make the mistake of assuming that the fuel you produce planetside is "free". It may not require cash flow, but you're giving up the option of selling it on the market, and thus it costs you.
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OTOH in deep nullsec it might as well be free. Only market is to your own corps generally. What you say is certainly true for Empire, and somewhat for nullsec close to empire - though dangers of 0.0 logistics mean you're usually still better producing and using your own rather than hauling it to a hub.
orange:
--- Quote from: Borza on 28 Nov 2010, 14:18 ---
--- Quote from: Casiella on 27 Nov 2010, 09:32 ---Please don't make the mistake of assuming that the fuel you produce planetside is "free". It may not require cash flow, but you're giving up the option of selling it on the market, and thus it costs you.
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OTOH in deep nullsec it might as well be free. Only market is to your own corps generally. What you say is certainly true for Empire, and somewhat for nullsec close to empire - though dangers of 0.0 logistics mean you're usually still better producing and using your own rather than hauling it to a hub.
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I would think it worthwhile to pay your alliance members something for doing PI work. I definitely agree Jita prices are right out, but establishing a local buy order (at your Outpost or nearby NPC Station) seems like a good way to distribute Moon Goo revenue to the "little people." Especially if they turn around and spend it on T2 hardware someone else in the alliance built.
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