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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Odelya on 09 Aug 2014, 04:34
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Whenever rping in channels or writing messages on the IGS and a three hours old character in a npc corps pops out, having detailed knowledge about this or that, my desire to interact with this char drops to zero. I feel that there is nothing to gain, except for a few words exchanged. Nothing that can last longer. No relationship, be it friendly or hostile, to be woven. No storyline to be forged. I feel that there is certain dishonesty in using alts. Nothing is at stake for the alt. He isn’t a “real person” in the universe: He was just created for the sake of fast food rp. He isn’t interacting with others in space. I don’t want this. I want the real guys.
How do you feel towards alts?
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not the only one.
If you know someone is an alt, then there's always going to be the feeling that whoever is behind them will get bored of things quicker than if the character is someone's main character.
that someone playing multiple roles simultaneously, will be spreading themselves pretty thinly.
also mischats, and mails sent on wrong characters, and so on.
Usually, I try and be positive about things, but it can get very wearying. like, if a character is someone's Nth attempt at something different, it's like, I see them RPing, and I might want to try and get involved, because I want people to have fun rping, but experience shows that the character might not last, and it's like, :(
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also, some people will blurt out that X is actually Y's alt, in some kind of attempt to sabotage things, and it's like, I can't not know that information now, and it ruins whatever rp interaction there is.
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I do not use alts because they are pretty tedious to get up and running. Instead everything is done on my main. I decided that this is challenging enough to be worth doing continuously, and tie it up with my main's development on his quest for self-sufficiency.
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It depends on the alt.
I usually don't care, as long as the alt is not clearly just an extension of the main. In those cases, yes, I prefer not to interact with them.
There are plenty of alts that are fun to interact with, though. It just comes down to how much effort someone is willing to put into the character.
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I'm of the opinion that alts are the worst thing that ever happened to EVE, in both RP and OOC activities.
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I don't care about alts, and I actually prefer to not find out if Char T is an alt of the player who also plays Char E. I try to see characters and evaluate them accordingly.
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Everyone knows my alts.
If you don't, ask. :)
They're "connected" to Ari, but are their own people... an one of them could even be convinced to fuck her over, and it couldhppen, cause Rping losng is as much fun as RPing winning :D
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I'm okay with alts, but I admit it would be grating for players to 'transmit' IC information OOC because they cannot or will not compartmentalize their alts' interactions.
I've killed most of mine off now, but if Main A logs on and there's no one of interest to RP with, but Alt B's antagonists 1 and 2 are online and chatting in OOC, why not hop on?
(In case there was any question, mine all have the same avatar background.)
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I used to have a shit ton of alts, but honestly, it was just too much work to keep them running and I never used them enough to justify the cost of keeping them plexed. The alts I have on Saede's account are very basic characters, but they are persistent characters with purposes in EVE. Fraxi is my 'log out in a system for weeks on end as a deep scout' character, and Fence is my Amarr market alt. I do roleplay on them from time to time, because if I have to be on the character, then why not? That said, given how infrequently they're around, I can understand people having a lack of desire to get too deeply involved in them. I actually wrote this into Fraxi's character. She's a total introvert and rarely leaves her pod or interacts with any real people, preferring to spend most of her time zoned out in various games.
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I'm okay with alts, but I admit it would be grating for players to 'transmit' IC information OOC because they cannot or will not compartmentalize their alts' interactions.
When I catch people doing this with my characters, it's usually a cue for me to generally stop interacting with any of their characters, and possibly call them out on it if it is particularly egregious. The last person I caught doing it was someone I rarely had any reason or inclination to interact with anyway, so I didn't consider it much of a loss.
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I only worry when I think it's somebody who seriously dislikes me. To my knowledge, there's probably only one of those people left, and admittedly she has good enough reason to dislike me.
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I've seen alts handled very well, and very bad.
I've seen alts that are a completely separate, unconnected character and alts that are closely bound to the main.
I've seen alts that were used noticeably less or only for specific purposes, and alts that were played just as much as the main.
I've seen alts that share information for no apparent good reason, and alts that share information for entirely understandable IC reasons.
I've seen alts that were created because the player wanted to try out a different character and their story, and alts created only to reinforce the story of the main.
I've seen alts that were created to try and do a good handling of a commonly cliched story, and I've seen alts that were created to be mouthpieces or reinforce the existing cliches.
Most of this is not inherently good or bad. There are certain things that can be done with an alt that will increase the chances of it being boring and uninteresting (or even unpleasant) to interact with, of course. Much like a first character, however, an alt can take one or two of these 'bad points' and still be genuinely interesting to interact with if they are otherwise played interestingly enough.
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I always reember Jared and ari in the same room, having two ccomletely different conversations with 2 completely diff people, with 2 diff tones/moods/etc (and they are diff personalities t o boot), and still wonder how I pulled that off. ;)
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Whenever rping in channels or writing messages on the IGS and a three hours old character in a npc corps pops out, having detailed knowledge about this or that, my desire to interact with this char drops to zero. I feel that there is nothing to gain, except for a few words exchanged. Nothing that can last longer. No relationship, be it friendly or hostile, to be woven. No storyline to be forged. I feel that there is certain dishonesty in using alts. Nothing is at stake for the alt. He isn’t a “real person” in the universe: He was just created for the sake of fast food rp. He isn’t interacting with others in space. I don’t want this. I want the real guys.
How do you feel towards alts?
Nothing wrong with alts, as long as some effort is put in to them to make them interesting. I experimented with intaki artists, Sansa scouts, gallente dissidents, etc.
Was it you who created the Farsi speaking khanid?
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I'm of the opinion that alts are the worst thing that ever happened to EVE, in both RP and OOC activities.
If taken beyond rp conversations I would agree they are a problem. Caused a lot of paranoia about infiltration and dampened my trust in people. Made me unwilling to commit to wars/interact with people's corps who were known to use alts for infiltration as part of the meta game.
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Was it you who created the Farsi speaking khanid?
I did this Book of Prayers (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/loyalist-capsuleers-publish-amarr-influenced-prayer-book/) with Odelya once, but it although I speak Persian, this was a crude, ungrammatical and not even orthographically correct mix of Ottoman, Persian and Arabic. I had plans to make up a Khanid dialect based on Persian and Mongolian script, but favoured to live a healthy life instead... ;-)
I have an alt myself, Odelya’s sister, but since it is her sister and she only appears on IGS or in mail folders from time to time, she isn’t so much involved and can clearly be identified as what she is.
I found it especially fun killing when during my small war against PIE, alts (not of PIE) interacted with me and had a clearly defined OOC agenda. This wasn’t about roleplay, but about politics, while the wardec was about roleplay and a bit of shooting fun. I mean, I didn’t hire NOIR to camp PIE 24/7! My decision: I won’t interact with alts anymore. When they contact me, I won’t answer, when they write stuff on the IGS I won’t reply.
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I think there are up sides and down sides. I have (a lot) of alts. Many of them are closely associated, and several of those are used exclusively for RP purposes. It is not a secret who they are, or their relationships to my main. I have another alt who is also not a secret, and who is just totally separate and uninvolved with my main (really, he's sort of a main in his own right). I've certainly seen some uses of alts that had a pretty negative impact, but I think ultimately they are a tool like any other, and it really depends on how someone is using them.
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Yea, I think the "non-hidden" alts are generally safer to deal with - and adds to whether you're wlling to RP with someone's *main* in the first place. If they're the type you don't trust enough to not be using "slimy cheat-y alts" to begin with, whether they exist or not is irrelevant. But if a person has a main who you OOC trust enough to deal with, interacting with their alts can be fun (and sometimes hilarious, as some alts are far more quirky/funny than mains.)
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I think there are up sides and down sides. I have (a lot) of alts. Many of them are closely associated, and several of those are used exclusively for RP purposes. It is not a secret who they are, or their relationships to my main. I have another alt who is also not a secret, and who is just totally separate and uninvolved with my main (really, he's sort of a main in his own right). I've certainly seen some uses of alts that had a pretty negative impact, but I think ultimately they are a tool like any other, and it really depends on how someone is using them.
Hilion and Malaneth are the best Silver-alts, hands down. Just saying.
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I found it especially fun killing when during my small war against PIE, alts (not of PIE) interacted with me and had a clearly defined OOC agenda. This wasn’t about roleplay, but about politics, while the wardec was about roleplay and a bit of shooting fun. I mean, I didn’t hire NOIR to camp PIE 24/7! My decision: I won’t interact with alts anymore. When they contact me, I won’t answer, when they write stuff on the IGS I won’t reply.
By that decision, no one should interact with your alt either. You cannot really attack alts while also using one yourself, you know. I can also say that at least some of the people that contacted you during that war were primary RP toons, even if they were alts in the technical sense.
I'm not a fan of many alts myself, but they do have a use and you cannot always be certain as to what is just a quickie alt, what is an actual new player, what is a serious attempt at starting up a new primary RP character, and what is a supporting character (what I would define as an alt that is created to fill a very specific and limited supporting role for a main, such as Morijah is for you Odelya).
In EVE I see very little reason for alts beyond the as-said supporting character, due to the fact that the game punishes you for having them (by not allowing you to skill them without paying, etc). I personally only use Samira, though in past games I occasionally have multiple mains and the occasional support. I really don't see anything wrong with alts when they're used responsibility. This goes for anything in RP, alt or not, and refusing to interact with alts won't actually solve anything except make you appear rude, especially in the inevitable times that you will be ignoring a legitimately new character.
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And this is why none of my alts have ever seen the summit.
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By that decision, no one should interact with your alt either. You cannot really attack alts while also using one yourself, you know. I can also say that at least some of the people that contacted you during that war were primary RP toons, even if they were alts in the technical sense.
Quite to the point. Why do you have an alt, if you hate interacting with them, Odelya? To me that sounds like some half-baked position you're taking there.
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By that decision, no one should interact with your alt either. You cannot really attack alts while also using one yourself, you know. I can also say that at least some of the people that contacted you during that war were primary RP toons, even if they were alts in the technical sense.
Quite to the point. Why do you have an alt, if you hate interacting with them, Odelya? To me that sounds like some half-baked position you're taking there.
Everyone is free to make that decision. I wouldn’t interact with my alt either if I were someone else. All I said about alts is valid for mine too: Nothing to gain, except for a few words exchanged, no real relation to be forged.
Anyway, I would never use alts to “spy” or do other meta shit.
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Whenever rping in channels or writing messages on the IGS and a three hours old character in a npc corps pops out, having detailed knowledge about this or that, my desire to interact with this char drops to zero. I feel that there is nothing to gain, except for a few words exchanged. Nothing that can last longer. No relationship, be it friendly or hostile, to be woven. No storyline to be forged. I feel that there is certain dishonesty in using alts. Nothing is at stake for the alt. He isn’t a “real person” in the universe: He was just created for the sake of fast food rp. He isn’t interacting with others in space. I don’t want this. I want the real guys.
How do you feel towards alts?
Mostly the same yes. They just do not have the same depth brought by history that a main character can present.
However you can still find counter examples like I have seen here and there (cf Kilsa, Ava's alt) where there is an obvious proper care brought around the alt as well as a certain will to make it a decent character as any main could be. The alt in question of course, has to be played quite a bit for that too. It demands time.
I have myself never created alts - which was a golden rule - until the Mantenault RP event, where I decided to help the main instigator of the event (Laurentis) with what I considered characters closer to NPCs played by a GM rather than true PCs, as a mean to enrich the event itself and offer more interaction. I think that is different though.
Also yes, this is in Eve. In other games I usually tend to use 2 characters (don't ask me why 2 and not 3 or 4... maybe it would be too much for me, and that's what works for me). It's like writing, mostly. So I write one or generally 2 characters. And usually play them both as much as I can. Which is the tricky part, when one is not as interesting as another. Well it always depends on the situation.
And of course I don't hide the fact that i'm the same player behind both.
I'm of the opinion that alts are the worst thing that ever happened to EVE, in both RP and OOC activities.
If taken beyond rp conversations I would agree they are a problem. Caused a lot of paranoia about infiltration and dampened my trust in people. Made me unwilling to commit to wars/interact with people's corps who were known to use alts for infiltration as part of the meta game.
Same, and more : they half killed all the micro multiplayer side there is to the game. No need for a buddy to light up a cyno for you, no need for a buddy to scout for you, no need for a buddy to haul for you, no need for a buddy... for anything. The Power of 2, yeah, right.
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Alts have their places, both for game mechanics sake and RP. When I was more active I used an alt for both industry purposes and RP(Nikas), then I have a couple RP only alts I've used(Pious and Kaleb). I tried to play them all as individuals, even though they were somehow related to Mitty. Alts in and of themselves I don't think are bad, but I do see how they could be 'played' bad in an RP context.
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Alts have their places, both for game mechanics sake and RP. When I was more active I used an alt for both industry purposes and RP(Nikas), then I have a couple RP only alts I've used(Pious and Kaleb). I tried to play them all as individuals, even though they were somehow related to Mitty. Alts in and of themselves I don't think are bad, but I do see how they could be 'played' bad in an RP context.
I really agree: Alts aren't bad in and of themselves. Yes, there are alts which are merely used to do-no-good, nothing to gain, except for a few words exchanged, no real relation to be forged. There are mains for which the same is true as well though. Conversely, there are mains as well as alts which are around to do some 'serious' & fun RP, where there is something to gain and a 'real' RP relation to be forged. There are alts you'd never notice to be such, unless you're told so.
So, it all depends on the alt in particular, in my experience.
Not all alts are equal.
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At this time, I would say that I have two semi-active alts. Semi-active in that I have occasionally logged into them to setup skills and do some stuff. Originally, one was created for two reasons, one to try a different rp environment and 2) as a break from playing a generally reserved and usually very polite non-offensive character. The alt was a chance to just break free, have some fun in RP without having to break Steff's character.
Ellisif (the alt) has been quite fun to play and quite different from both myself and Steff's personality. They used to IC share some info as they were both in the same corp and I had a backstory for that, but since Steff's leaving to the Stormcrows, they do not interact with each other and barely know the same group of people now. I would like to think I have done a fair job in separation and keeping each unique, but then again, I am one who has a need to try different character styles out so I tend to have alt...in WoW, I have 11 active toons on one server alone because I want to try different things and though EVE is less forgiving about having alts, it was something I found myself wanting to try since it can get very dry and boring playing the same character...and when that character has no one to rp with for blocks of time, the urge to try something different does get hard to ignore.
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I echo Steff. Sometimes it's fun trying a different character out with different motivations and mind set. I've been pretty good at keeping ic knowledge separate but there's a reason why I keep them "related" because personality specific ic info is easiest to remember to keep separate while other info might certainly concievably be discussed between family members gossiping if I slip.
Of course there are also times when an interesting thing is going on but icly it's really hard to justify the primary character going
(*peers at odie - Like Luna icly could never come to your little event on the 18th but an alt might!*)
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Of course there are also times when an interesting thing is going on but icly it's really hard to justify the primary character going
(*peers at odie - Like Luna icly could never come to your little event on the 18th but an alt might!*)
Are you so sure about that? I mean Odelya despised Silas Vitalia for what she did, on the other hand she was curious, damn curious, so she wanted to come to her good-bye gathering and would have gone if I had made it oocly. So, in a sense, having alts makes choices less meaningful.
I don’t want to tell anyone what s/he should do. But in in many ways I’d find it really cool if the “real” Lunarisse would come, who shares a huge portion of the story. And not just an alt. (And this example is applicable in general.)
Not all alts are equal.
Also agreed.
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I obviously have no problem with alts.
When I left I had twelve active characters. Some used for RP, some purely for division of OOC skills. Some for no good reason. Most were known by whoever was curious, but I always kept at least one character unaffiliated with myself so I could be left the frack alone when I wanted to be. Or so I could partake in casual/superficial RP without any history, baggage, or preconceptions getting in the way - but primarily for hiding while still playing.
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I always kept at least one character unaffiliated with myself so I could be left the frack alone when I wanted to be. Or so I could partake in casual/superficial RP without any history, baggage, or preconceptions getting in the way - but primarily for hiding while still playing.
This. Is. So. Useful. :cube:
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Heh, I forgot to add that when you have had 2 accounts in the past, and merged them together, you tend to keep your second character as an alt instead of biomassing it because... well. 20M sp and all.
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I'm of the mindset that Alts are primarily un... categorizable?
Ava/Kyllsa are fun to interact with and I generally have good feelings come from that one. Another is someone who has a male/female version of the same character; a nearly identical genetic structure, but two different people. Arista's alt (the only one I'm aware of, at least) varies so differently from Arista that interacting with him feels as if there's someone else behind the seat, making it an enjoyable experience.
I don't like to name names, for the most part. However, there's one specific person who has a horde of RP alts who will bombard the IGS with this same-family mob and clog traffic RPing with themselves. That's the kind of stuff that really bugs me. That, and the alts who are insisted on being taken seriously but their only purpose is for repping the Main's reputation or for something dinky and silly. You don't see an EOH character trying to be relevant in the Summit often, really.
Also, I second the notion of having an alt nobody knows about. Who knows: maybe Charles is the alt.
[spoiler]Spooky.[/spoiler]
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I only have alts though.
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The other thing that the no-alt folks may not think of is, well, your character may be boring us at this point. Some characters never seem to change and interact the same way for years on end. Or you cannot RP with them without dealing with all their past drama and history because they are trying to keep those stories going forever. It gets boring after a while. It is like eating the same thing for every meal forever.
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The other thing that the no-alt folks may not think of is, well, your character may be boring us at this point. Some characters never seem to change and interact the same way for years on end. Or you cannot RP with them without dealing with all their past drama and history because they are trying to keep those stories going forever. It gets boring after a while. It is like eating the same thing for every meal forever.
That's why I had Elmund Egivand diversify his activities in his drive to be as self-reliant as possible. It allows for character growth. Different experiences provides different insights to develop the character. I also do not attach Elmund Egivand to any of the four empires because, far as I am concerned, this is going to hamstring him and force him to fit the mould in some way. Instead, I let him be a freelancer of sorts so he has a lot of wriggle room to explore and occasionally fraternise with 'the enemy' if it means he might learn something from them.
Doesn't mean he won't be biased against somebody or thoroughly find some persons unpalatable and to be avoided like the plague, or shot on sight. Sometimes both. People like Diana Kim (he can be well-mannered with her and still hide a handgun that has a bullet with her name on it in his cargo pants) or Nauplius (shoot him! Shoot him again!), for example, because he found them despicable and too narrow minded to learn anything from.
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However, there's one specific person who has a horde of RP alts who will bombard the IGS with this same-family mob and clog traffic RPing with themselves.
There's a specific thread that comes to mind when you mention this. Your avatar says it all.
The other thing that the no-alt folks may not think of is, well, your character may be boring us at this point. Some characters never seem to change and interact the same way for years on end. Or you cannot RP with them without dealing with all their past drama and history because they are trying to keep those stories going forever.
That baggage can be a huge hurdle for new interactions as well as old. Within the context of the New Eden narrative maybe it makes sense to have all these burned bridges as a capsuleer, but unless characters are willing to go Fred Rodgers (blue ALL the pilots!) they'll find that there's very little reason to try to generate content outside of stereotypical capsuleer ISKlust (never not shooting Nauplius).
Which brings me back to your original point about alts: sometimes, within that same context, alts are the low-effort means of getting something ~interesting~ going with established characters carrying that baggage. It's one thing if those characters are one-trick ponies, but further still, if those players don't want to interact with alts, well...
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Arista's alt (the only one I'm aware of, at least) varies so differently from Arista that interacting with him feels as if there's someone else behind the seat, making it an enjoyable experience.
<3 Jared. He's fun to play. Maybe when I'm un-poorified again I can resub his account.
the funny is he coincidentally has the same affectation as CC (which is that absent rubbing the back of his neck when thinking, confused, or trying to phrase something correctly), and always has.
Must be a Gallente thing :gangsign:
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Arista's alt (the only one I'm aware of, at least) varies so differently from Arista that interacting with him feels as if there's someone else behind the seat, making it an enjoyable experience.
<3 Jared. He's fun to play. Maybe when I'm un-poorified again I can resub his account.
the funny is he coincidentally has the same affectation as CC (which is that absent rubbing the back of his neck when thinking, confused, or trying to phrase something correctly), and always has.
Must be a Gallente thing :gangsign:
I just wanted to throw in a props for Jared. One of my alts had some pretty good RP with him back in the day. Alt on alt RP, 'twas good.
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Yusssss I remember that was that insanity of my playing both chars in the same room in totally diffrent sceanrios :D
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you know you're doing alts right, when you have one, who some players dislike intensely, while having another, who those players simply adore.
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I have an alt (Kyllsa) who everyone knows is me, who I play more than Ava now.I hope people dont mind? =(
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I have an alt (Kyllsa) who everyone knows is me, who I play more than Ava now.I hope people dont mind? =(
Both characters are distinct enough to be treated as separate characters. Well, in my opinion anyway. It's the sock-puppet type alts I have issues with.
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I have an alt (Kyllsa) who everyone knows is me, who I play more than Ava now.I hope people dont mind? =(
Both characters are distinct enough to be treated as separate characters. Well, in my opinion anyway. It's the sock-puppet type alts I have issues with.
As I said: All alts are not equal. I love Kyllsa and Avlynka, both in their own, unique way. ;)
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Apologies, wall-o-text. Tl:Dr - the problem isn't alts, it is the use of easily discarded characters as a vector for trolling. Edit that shit out of your life if it bothers you - it will make you feel much better. read full post for proposal, skip to last two paragraphs for 'RP Framework' semi proposal. Watch this space for thread you can indulge your sickest fantasies of critical evaluation (if it is constructive, subject to moderation with gifs [by the mods. I am not a mod], I take no responsibility for which gifs, unless it is Morwen, at which point we share a lot of gifs. ) Thank you.
I have an alt (Kyllsa) who everyone knows is me, who I play more than Ava now.I hope people dont mind? =(
Both characters are distinct enough to be treated as separate characters. Well, in my opinion anyway. It's the sock-puppet type alts I have issues with.
This is pretty much why I used to just have Solarienne and Aelisha, my other alts were a compromise driven by needing real time market data and having not other reliable tools (EC isn't real time) to get it - so RPing on those chars was basically a waste of time for me and anyone involved.
I have recently cut down to just Aelisha, as Sol's personal arc has played out pretty much - she got her military -> pirate -> sansha sympathiser streak and is pretty happy to just operate as a war hound for Aelisha as a result of said decisions and the isolation (deserved) that they bring. Ael has far more reason to talk to people, though I still lack time to really get engaged beyond a bit of pleasant Summit exchange from time to time on her favourite parts of the cluster/cultures (she might have taken herself out of the Fed, but you can't take all of the Fed out of the girl - cultural appropriation in the name of 'I like it' is a big part of how she pays her respects to other cultures).
Arguing against 'alts' is fallacious, IMO. Poorly developed characters, that clearly exist to wrap and agenda in skin so thin it might break if you poke too hard, are the issue. These tend to be alts as invested roleplayers tend to have a character they care about so much they will not jeopardise its name on the altar of a mad whim. However, those other two or more character slots... Those facilitate all kinds of 'for the lulz' or even genuine but misplaced agenda pushing to the point of repetition.
Alts are a necessary evil for some portions of the game; guaranteed security logistics (cyno jumping is a BIG trust issue, especially with JF), market checking at high speed and so forth all mandate the use of alts to remain competitive and/or secure. As a result there exists the possibility for abuse; straw man RP alts being one example. The neccessary evil of alts is really an issue for another thread (one in which I will inevitably point out that the only way to have a marginal chance of change is to pressure CSM reps on the topic of travel-security and market viewing among other issues that demand a 1:X ratio of player to characters). My point here is that the fact they are there can lead to the temptation to just throw them into the fray - well meaning or not.
There is no cure beyond self-censoring and blocking out anything that makes your RP untenable. There may, however, be a palliative: we lack communal lore projects these days. Yes, core lore modification is spitting into the wind, especially now that CCP has effectively monetised the lore (Source etc basically mean that publishing large tracts of free lore is cutting their own sales - they won't do it much). But we exist in our bubble. The capsuleer bubble with all its cultural baggage from 'our life before'. How are we reinventing ourselves? Are we? What customs do we transport into our lives and do they survive contact with the 'higher levels of cluster life'?
Is it possible that we can mitigate the 'alt problem' (or as I'd say the transparent char problem) by cooperative building a loose framework of 'in my house we do this'? It may, in the case of well meaning but misguided agenda-chars, provide a means by which they can look into our 'houses' and get an idea about which metaphorical furnishings they have in common and which they have in a unique capacity.
As I am pretty vocal in various channels (most private) about my annoyance concerning navel gazing instead of action, I will commit to putting together a short proposal in the appropriate section this weekend, the aim being to propose a very loose, accommodating framework in which players may describe their cultural legacy and modifications brought on by their capsuleer lives. If we cannot manipulate and modify the core lore, then it is the microcosm of our lives we should investigate, followed by voluntary (or solicited) cooperation to bolt our ideas at their points of commonality while still preserving our rightful unique insights.
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I don't really have a problem interacting with alts. I rather enjoy it most of the time. New faces, etc.
I have a problem playing alts. I can't manage to get nearly as invested into a different character as I am in my main. It just feels empty.
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I don't really have a problem interacting with alts. I rather enjoy it most of the time. New faces, etc.
I have a problem playing alts. I can't manage to get nearly as invested into a different character as I am in my main. It just feels empty.
That's one reason why I do not use alts.
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For me, I play Ari because I am a woman and it is easy. She is to be a "Base Archetype" I've used for years in RPGs, LARPs, etc.
Here is open proof of my lazy.
Arist is as old as many EVE characters -- but I didn't start RPing here till 1.5 years ago or so.
Bearing-open tiiiime!
Here's "Arista". Thre are variations based on situations, life stories, and backdrops but .. yes.
Her Archetype is "Leader".
Forum RP:
The templar turned on her heel as the knock came, moving to the door and opening it. She smiled briefly at Flaminya, but only briefy - enough to give the woman a hint that the visit was not necessarily meant to be a social one.
"Thank you, Lady Debaco, for coming as quickly as you have. Please; come in and sit down."
Lunhilde leads the mage to the dining hall and offers her a chair; she herself stands, leaning on the small bar in the room. She begins to speak little opening fanfare.
"I am afraid I may need your assistance in the coming days, perhaps something in the nature of scrying or divination. This is not something I wanted to go to the Concordium with; not because of their outrageous pricing, but more due to the nature of the issue. It appears that Aldanar has gone missing. None of the usual reports have come back, there is no word on the streets, and he has not been seen in his crafting guild for quite some time. Due to his.. other occupation", the templar makes a face, "there is a possibility of foul play. That other occupation is the main reason why I need to keep this under wraps. As it is her Majesty's loyal scribes struck our old guild name from the rosters due to our connections in Freeport, and it took a lot of coin going over a lot of hands to get outselves re-established. Is any of this making any sense?"
Jared is older. Much older. I'd been writing stories about "people like him" since being an author in high school/college (when I started getting published and winnng awards is when I count 'authorship') trying to both finish the novel and fine-tune him into a "real boy" -- which though I can make up real boys fairly easy in stories now, they need DEPTH in RP so that they can't be divined by other RPers as a puppet of a cross-dressing player. His EVE background is about 10x longer than Ari's.
His archetype is "Soldier".
Story segement:
"By the Shell's fair eyes it's hot", Jared muttered without glancing at his compatriot. His eyes instead still calmly skimmed the crowd, which continued to do its best to keep a respectful distance without directly paying attention to his presence.
The man's fellow nodded once, briefly reaching up under his helmet to scratch around the chinstrap made uncomfortable by the heat. "Aptly named, this day", he answered, "best for.."
The pair paused as one, leaving their trailing legs slightly behind them as if preparing for something expected. Moments later, a man punctuated the space directly in front of the them in his quest to move quickly through the crowd. As if the spot of uncrowding lent him a sense of relief he paused briefly before realizing just why that space was present, and shoving through the crowd ahead of him, he was swallowed again among the swarm of people in the street.
"Manners.." the first sentry spoke the word simply, almost amused, and glanced over at his partner as if looking for a reaction.
However, his partner seemed preoccupied still with the space in front of him, his distinct cloud-grey eyes distant and looking for something that clearly was there no longer. Finally he shook his head slightly, as if clearing a thought or a memory. "Jared, I think.."
Jared frowned. "Not likely, my Lord. He's Northborn most likely by his clothes and way, unless.."
Jared's partner shook his head again and began to walk, nearly surprising him into being a half-step behind, and definitely surprising the people in front of him who were running quickly out of places to casually sidestep to. "You're right. Not likely. Later, when the roads are not so full of little ears... even blackbirds can talk."
Jared chuckled, slipping back unto stride with his partner as they continued down the street. "Always full of your mother's wisdom, my Lord."
"And sadly my father's pessimism, aye, I know. The jest is old."
/weeps
MY LIFE IS A LIE
;)
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Similar story for Ael (the 1.5 years of RP bit) Arista. I had plenty of RP moments with a few close friends and people I met in early days (Pre-Dominion) nullsec rambling, but never got involved in the 'xXCOMMUNITYXx' until relatively recently. At which point TS-F snatched up my combat main and Ael turned into an isk printing machine.
It's a weird cluster sometimes.
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Yay ISK-printing! :D
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I don't really have a problem interacting with alts. I rather enjoy it most of the time. New faces, etc.
I have a problem playing alts. I can't manage to get nearly as invested into a different character as I am in my main. It just feels empty.
I feel this way too :3
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I don't really have a problem interacting with alts. I rather enjoy it most of the time. New faces, etc.
I have a problem playing alts. I can't manage to get nearly as invested into a different character as I am in my main. It just feels empty.
I feel this way too :3
Likewise.
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I have flirted with actually developing voices for my alts. Currently they are pretty basic retainer characters for Gaven, so their existence is part of his character. It is just that playing any of them long/often enough to develop a real personality for them never seems to happen, so they stay pretty one dimensional. So yeah, basically what Kat said.
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I've found that maintaing believable, fun to play and interact with alts is made a lot easier by not relying on in-game interaction to develop their characters. Just like any good RP character, they should have a past, a future, and a present that goes well beyond what they do when you are logged in. This puts the burden of proof more on the player rather than the game, since you have to show people this depth with less interaction, but just having those complex backstories and background lives gives even seldom played alts a fighting chance with well-established mains. Just make sure you don't go overboard with 'showing off' the cool character you made. Let people discover them on their own.
In an RP sense, a good character is a good character, alt or not. Make sure to play them as they should be, however: separate and unique from you main and any other alts you have.
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I've found that maintaing believable, fun to play and interact with alts is made a lot easier by not relying on in-game interaction to develop their characters. Just like any good RP character, they should have a past, a future, and a present that goes well beyond what they do when you are logged in. This puts the burden of proof more on the player rather than the game, since you have to show people this depth with less interaction, but just having those complex backstories and background lives gives even seldom played alts a fighting chance with well-established mains. Just make sure you don't go overboard with 'showing off' the cool character you made. Let people discover them on their own.
In an RP sense, a good character is a good character, alt or not. Make sure to play them as they should be, however: separate and unique from you main and any other alts you have.
I couldn't sum up my opinion on the issue any better than this. :cube:
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I've found that maintaing believable, fun to play and interact with alts is made a lot easier by not relying on in-game interaction to develop their characters. Just like any good RP character, they should have a past, a future, and a present that goes well beyond what they do when you are logged in. This puts the burden of proof more on the player rather than the game, since you have to show people this depth with less interaction, but just having those complex backstories and background lives gives even seldom played alts a fighting chance with well-established mains. Just make sure you don't go overboard with 'showing off' the cool character you made. Let people discover them on their own.
In an RP sense, a good character is a good character, alt or not. Make sure to play them as they should be, however: separate and unique from you main and any other alts you have.
I couldn't sum up my opinion on the issue any better than this. :cube:
Sums it up very good yes, a character is a character alt or not.
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Some people's alts are better than some other people's mains.
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Some people's alts are better than some other people's mains.
Or sometimes their own. :oops:
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Some people's alts are better than some other people's mains.
Or sometimes their own. :oops:
Quoted for trueyness.