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Morwen Lagann

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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #45 on: 14 Feb 2013, 12:26 »

There were 20 or so people on TS giggling about Falcon messing around as Ahvar, the thread was noticed, people started responding, someone (Stitcher?) said he was going to post haiku, and it snowballed from there.

Luckily we didn't lose anyone to laughter-induced asphyxiation, but it came close for a couple people I think.
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #47 on: 14 Feb 2013, 13:00 »

Everyone in PIE is actually scratching their heads at the mention of us. We were ordered not to go by Mitty, and as far as we know nobody went to any of the systems. We didn't even have many people online at the time.

Sooo... yeah, we totally didn't go there and preach.
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #48 on: 14 Feb 2013, 13:20 »

Only Amarrian Loyalist I definitely remember seeing in Pator during the event was Merdaneth.

(Excluding the Ammatar Loyalists that were escorting the Nefantar Delegate)
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #49 on: 14 Feb 2013, 13:30 »

1) Ahhh CONCORD experimental modules. Okay by me, I wouldnt mind if they do it again that way. Though a lot of people would not be happy for other reasons I guess.

2) Why were Ammatar loyalists escorting a republic Nefantar Delegate  :?: 
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #50 on: 14 Feb 2013, 13:32 »

2) Why were Ammatar loyalists escorting a republic Nefantar Delegate  :?:

Because they're damn traitors. <.<

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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #51 on: 14 Feb 2013, 14:43 »

I'm going to throw out an idea here, and I know it's going to be moderately controversial, but I'm still going to throw it out there:

CCP should not encourage people to come and kick the sandcastle.

Allow me to explain a bit: EVE is, of course, a sandbox. But to be more than a dust-pit, it needs to have things built in it. This is what CCP is trying to do with the storyline.

However, if the default reaction of most players to such an event is "hey, let's go and kick it all over for shits and giggles" and there is no effective way for people to respond or counteract this action - and let's face it, there really isn't a way to counteract someone willing to expend that much ISK for shits and giggles - then what is the point? How are we supposed to be interested in an event when each one is going to be responded to solely by a swarm of otherwise uninterested players coming to kick over the sandcastle just because they can? Why should I come out to escort my representatives (or whatever) if I know that no matter how many people I rally to my side, someone's going to show up and ruin the whole show?

Going back to Arek'jaalan for a moment - how would we have felt if the A'J freighter had been ganked the second it undocked, and we couldn't have stopped it?
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I like the implications of Gallentians being punched in the face by walking up to a Minmatar as they so freely use another person's culture as a fad.

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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #52 on: 14 Feb 2013, 14:54 »

During the AURORA days you were lucky if you got to interact with the actor at all.

Usually the actor had been ganked for shits and giggles even before anyone who was roleplaying heard about it, through the grapevine that was there from beta. There was a few guys from Evolution that pretty much did nothing than kill AURORA actors for just the fun factor of it.

It wasn't until the actors themselves let the RP entities created by the players do all the information spreading that this vicious circle was pretty much broken. (Of course there was spies that got the info, but they were from the opposing RP entities which made it just merrier.)

In a public event like this... there is no way to keep the lowest common denominator dictate the interaction with the actors.

Which pretty much is blow shit up for shits and giggles.
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #53 on: 14 Feb 2013, 14:55 »

I've said elsewhere, but I continue to support dev handwavium / hax / supermods to handle these situations until game mechanics have been altered to properly reflect consequences for trying to curbstomp events.

I've got no problem with players trying to shoot actors, but in high sec at least, it should be extremely difficult and extremely costly, and there should be severe consequences such as no more station docking, etc, for infinity :P

It still breaks believability that the Empires would allow crazy capsuleers anywhere near their VIPs but at least its something...
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #54 on: 14 Feb 2013, 15:17 »

What happened to Koro, Boma and friends back in the Incursion event days is a good start.

Attack faction actors in highsec, receive appropriate but harsh standing penalties.
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #55 on: 14 Feb 2013, 15:59 »

Shooting at Dev Actor, should be about the clearest possible way to announce you would like negative standings to that characters faction/corporation. (Unless you have something to counter the effect. Say IGS declaration saying you think the nefantar rep is nothing more than Amarrian plant :P)

Anybody who cries about getting their standings mofied due to inspace action needs to HTFU or stop shooting Dev Actors just for fun and giggles.
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #56 on: 14 Feb 2013, 16:27 »

It would be nice if the CONCORD forces, and especially the house navies, were a bit more responsive to player actions. It won't stop the well-planned or long-term missions (Which it shouldn't), but it will curb a bit of the "because it's funny" random acts of violence.
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Esna Pitoojee

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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #57 on: 14 Feb 2013, 17:15 »

As I noted in my post over on EVE-O, I have some fairly serious issues with some of the "conditional" concepts that are being thrown out there, in that they seem to presume people are going to want to play by a mutually-agreed-upon set of rules rather than playing every trick they can to kill their targets.

Reactive measures are of dubious usefulness in this situation.

Alts are so prevalent it'd be nigh-impossible to effectively interdict people from doing this again. Most nullsec groups have even more alts in place to handle highsec stuff in the event their mains go negative sec or something, and a recent CCP post has confirmed they will not be targeting alliances, only individuals, for repercussions. So, what's CCP supposed to do? Look at IP logs to apply penalties to mains? Now that would cause an epic shitstorm.

Perhaps my ultimate point is that while we are playing characters - people - with identities, a lot of other people in this game aren't. They are willing to meta the hell out of the game mechanics if it will bear them an edge. Eventually, one way or another, the only way to beat them becomes to meta them right back.
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I like the implications of Gallentians being punched in the face by walking up to a Minmatar as they so freely use another person's culture as a fad.

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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #58 on: 14 Feb 2013, 17:16 »

I completely agree with what Esna said. The reason why we can't have nice things is because people tend to ruin nice things; hence the dilemma we now face with live events. Do we have events that offer something deep, rich and meaningful for the participants, even if they are limited due to some factors, or something vulnerable to whatever attack might come its way, whether it be related to the event or not?

Nobody can say with a straight face that the Goon attack were motivated by a desire to effect the story in a way that benefitted any factional loyalties. They wanted to benefit themselves by letting their players have fun raining on the parade. Goons are known to be trolls, they clearly did this to troll, and nobody is crying for them. At least Fweddit has the benefit of being part of Amarr FW, but even they don't take the storyline or lore very seriously.

However, people ARE crying for the sandbox, which is the only thing that has been victimized here. However, I personally don't much care. The sandbox is great and all, but you know what? I like to see a pretty sandcastle every once in a while. Doing something for the lulz is nice, but at the end of the day EVE's story is written by CCP. The Live Events are meant to make sure we get *some* say, not all of it. On the day of the event CCP just simply wanted a bit more creative control, which I do not blame them for.

People seem to forget that Live Events are a privlege, not a right. I began playing this game right after Aurora popped, and I didn't get to see a live event until my third year of playing. So you know what? Fuck people who try to ruin them.
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Re: Minmatar Arc
« Reply #59 on: 14 Feb 2013, 18:35 »

People seem to forget that Live Events are a privlege, not a right. I began playing this game right after Aurora popped, and I didn't get to see a live event until my third year of playing. So you know what? Fuck people who try to ruin them.

Fortunately, CCP does not see it that way.  I'm going to reiterate again, wanting to screw something over, just to screw something over, is valid gameplay.
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