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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Saede Riordan on 31 Aug 2010, 17:30
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As a burgeoning pvp corp, with new pvpers, and new FCs (me) and we're looking for some easy marks to hit for training purposes.
We're looking for small carebear corps, with 15 to 30 members, indy corps, etc.
So if you have enemies, RP or non, who would make a good mark, let me know, I don't charge, this is for the good of my members and is therefore on the house.
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You claim to be a corp of PVP'ers... who want to fight small 'carebear' corps to
grief fight?
Dec my corp. We run our own mining ops, haul our own ore, refine it and build from it - sounds like the works of a carebear corp, don't it?
Keep in mind though that we are only 5 guys so please, please pretty please bring your awesome PVP'ers to kill us. We operate in Heimatar, around the Rens area.
You even have a RP reason to do so; we are Quasi-Republicans and shoot Angel's in belts and missions as sport and out of duty, the Cartel hate our guts.
...Okay, so enough with the sarcasm.
You want training for your PVP'ers and what's good for them. Dec us. When the war is over your members will have actually learned something.
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Suggestion for training? Throw em' in the deep end. Move your corp to deep-ish lowsec for a bit, Let em' learn how to deal with the fact that everyone who's not blue is probably out to get them. Give it a month, and you'll have a competent (or failing that, paranoid) fighting force to play around with.
Worked for me. :)
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Eh, to begin with, just throw a handful of gravel around your area, and whoever doesn't shoot back is most likely a carebear. Wardec that corp just to get your PvPers ready to face the idea of undocking and hunting someone. Once that's done, pick any corp that looks tasty and wardec them. It's not really rocket surgery.
However, once you get past certain levels, you need to start getting 'spai' intel. Pay off newbie members of the corps you dec for their member's list (in order to check corp histories, character ages, search killboard histories for PvP prowess and fits) or get a character into the corp itself. Start running locators a week in advance to figure out likely areas of operation and so on.
The size of your corp and fleets are irrelevant. I'm personally heading out to wardec decent sized corporations all by my freakin' lonesome. I've got some neutral alts I'll use for scouting, I'm doing my homework in where the different potential target corps hang out and what they fly/do, and I will be stashing a decent amount of ships around the various areas in various stations in order to facilitate fast reshipping to face different needs. Oh, and making instawarps and safespots in each system just in case I have to dock quickly for some reason.
It's all in the preparation. Once that's done... fly something relatively expendable and go pick fights.
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Suggestion for training? Throw em' in the deep end. Move your corp to deep-ish lowsec for a bit, Let em' learn how to deal with the fact that everyone who's not blue is probably out to get them. Give it a month, and you'll have a competent (or failing that, paranoid) fighting force to play around with.
Worked for me. :)
yes, and then your members can't get into highsec >_>
Miz: all good points
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yes, and then your members can't get into highsec >_>
Honestly? if you don't pod, and rat a bit, Sec loss really isn't an issue. Mine's only so low because it's a legacy of Ghost Festival, where there was muchos podding.
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yes, and then your members can't get into highsec >_>
Honestly? if you don't pod, and rat a bit, Sec loss really isn't an issue. Mine's only so low because it's a legacy of Ghost Festival, where there was muchos podding.
When you zoom in on a pod when shooting at it, you hear *squish* as it pops. It's delightful. Though a good ransom outdoes that.
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When you zoom in on a pod when shooting at it, you hear *squish* as it pops. It's delightful. Though a good ransom outdoes that.
Sometimes you scare me....
As for targets, I'd look for undefended POS towers with nice stuff on them like Labs or something and find out more about that corp. If they look like good targets, dec them. If they don't pay, asplode the POS.
A corp of five people did that to an old corp of mine, the CEO didn't think a highsec POS needed guns....
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I-RED is always up for a fight, could even add some RP intrigue to it ;)
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A good war could also help some of the newer ILF PVPers.
However, we would be shooting back, so I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for.
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Suggestion for training? Throw em' in the deep end. Move your corp to deep-ish lowsec for a bit, Let em' learn how to deal with the fact that everyone who's not blue is probably out to get them. Give it a month, and you'll have a competent (or failing that, paranoid) fighting force to play around with.
Worked for me. :)
You can say that again. -.-;
If it makes you feel more confidant, I've been doing just this for quite some time. I haven't podded anyone, but I've participated in a lot of kills, and lost a lot of security status in the process. I've never been above a -1 because I don't pod, and I rat in between times of activity for some pocket money. With a few social skills, my sec swings back towards the positive side in three days or so.
As long as your members mitigate their security losses, and avoid podding without good reason, they'll stay far away from the highsec-banned stage.
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As long as your members mitigate their security losses, and avoid podding without good reason, they'll stay far away from the highsec-banned stage.
That would only be true for a pilot with a low kill count. Having to spend hours upon hours in between fighting, fixing security status, it was a very frustrating experience and that was as an anti-pirate in MH-Sec...(many pirate corps try to stay yellow) Also, it weakens your fleets if your not doing this in sync and 2-3 pilots are off in 0.0 fixing sec while you have targets to kill.
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I second Aodha's claims here. I've spent long stretches of my life as a vigilante, and even with a moderate kill-count on members of pirate corps who were not outlaws, your sec-status drops pretty sharply, low-sec ratting get's a slow return. If you are going to go for PVP in low-sec being pirates or quasi pirates high-sec will be denied you very soon, I was down to -3.5 very fast in a moderately effective period, and I usually did not pod anyone at all, even if I vere able to do so.
To be more constructive, for a small-size corporation who wants to get more effective in PVP I'd say you should gear up in affordable ships, like T2 fitted cruisers and BC's coupled with the odd BS, and dec smaller but more combat-minded corps. don't dec larger entities that only 'fight' when they can effectively blob you, or more industry minded corps. With them, you will either scare them into station in a few days or hours, and not learn a thing, or you will keep poping poorly-fitted and in-experienced people. When the fight is next to non-existant or increadibly one-sided you usually don't learn anything usefull.
Also, war-decs allow you to contain the conflict a lot better, you lose no security rating and apart from any neutral helpers on either side things stay pretty simple between you. Say, a less-than-20 vs another less-than-20 corp, and you got a very 'balanced' war, in terms of numbers. All you need then is for both sides to be willing to risk their virtual assets for some fun. Even in today's EVE, that is not an impossible demand.
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Well, that's unfortunate.
Uhh, have you considered being a mining corp? :O
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Yeah, Ive had my sec status go quite low before by engaging pirates who try to maintain a "yellow" sec status. It's kinda embarrassing, being pro-Republic and a Republic supporter, being chased by the Republic fleet whenever you enter the core systems.
As for who to dec, I agree with Bloodbird. If you really want "good fights", deccing a larger industrial carebear based corp/allaince wont get you too far. They will either dock up in terror or blob you, with little in between. While you might catch a miner or hauler who didnt read their forums that week, that wont really teach your pilots much about PVP.
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Suggestions for pvp training?
Why on earth would you war dec? It costs money that can better be used to help put your newer members back in ships more often. You don't have to spend money on a wardec to get pvp.
I know you are married to the idea of living out of Amarr because it has a market, but here is the best advice I could give you.
Move. To. Curse.
BPK, XX9, Doril, G-0Q2... any of these systems are great places to live out of. You want them to learn? Throw them in the deep end and make them lose a metric fuckton of rifters and ruptures. That 4m you used to wardec x corp could be used to buy 4 rifters.
Don't like the market there? I'm sure out of all the friends you have here, someone has a damn carrier or a JF. Buy a bunch of ships, fit them, rig them, move to Curse, pop cyno and now you magically have ships in Curse. You're honestly not going to be in a better area near amarr for quality small gang pew pew.
Low sec mechanics =/= 0.0 mechanics. Lots of fights in low sec happen on gates. You don't have the membership with the SP to be able to survive fighting on gates. Plus, you're also kind of forcing them to kill their sec status.
So "That's why we wardec. So we can shoot them in low sec without the sec hit." right? Wrong. When you war dec a corp and only go after them, you're limiting your target base. The best way to train a noob how to fight is to put them in a position where they have to fight everyone they run into. Stick them in 0.0 and make them learn to pay attention.
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Uh....no Alex, I'm doing wardecs because wardecs are fun. I like wardecs, its been my thing since I started eve.
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Have you thought about working with other Angel Cartel corporations? Your numbers are very low, might be a good idea. ;)
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Empire wars can be fun if you get a bit of resistance and not wholesale hiding out.
Was in a five man corp ages ago that did "trade wars" we each had our trade alts along with the PvP main in a corp and when we got continously undercut by someone in a fairsized corp with activity we kindly asked them to back off or suffer the concequences.
Sometimes it was endless roams with nary a target that still taught us fleet cohesion and how to effectively move around as well as scouting.
Other times we got ganks that taught us what it was to F1-F8 without risk.
Then of course there was the stand up fight usually being outnumbered. It taught us the necessity of good fleet composition,hit and run tactics as well as the value of a good FC.
Was a great time that taught me a lot. What was interesting was that often these corps would call in other corps they were friendly with for counterdeccing making it a full scale blowout in some high sec corner of whatever empire.
Regarding what ships I'd say the humble T1 cruiser is always a good choice for starters.
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Niki, perhaps you could work out a more formalized Intel sharing agreement with certain allies. ;)
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I have one Cassie, I'm trying to get more folks in it so its more effective, send me a wave ingame and I'll toss you an invite
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Deccing a target that can put up a bit of a fight is indeed better for learning.
I'm always happy to dec terrorists, heretics, pirates and other low-lives if they really want to fight and are compatible with my timezone.
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And what timezone is that?
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And what timezone is that?
Roughly 18:00 - 22:00 EVE time (shifting one hour after daylight savings hits again)
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Too bad for me then. :(