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scagga:
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--- Quote from: scagga on 18 Jun 2015, 02:25 ---Why do you think anonymity on an internet forum improves moderation?
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Because concerns about OOC/IC consequences for taking or not taking a mod action are less likely.
Also, I don't really know most of you people, and exchanging one pseudonym (char name) for another (mod name) hardly matters in my opinion.
And, I would prefer to prevent situations where an inferiour argument/action/whatever from a popular char would "win" against a better argument from an unpopular one. Anonimity helps seperate the message from the messenger.
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You make some fair points.
Let me take your concerns and frame them with how I see issues with anonymous moderators:
- An anonymous moderator can make unfair interventions in the IC forums
- Other anonymous moderators may not identify this as unfair, because they may not be aware of certain IC/OOC relations or nuances
- Other anonymous moderators may therefore close ranks with what they think is a fair moderation decision
- It would not be possible to confidently identify a moderator abusing IC/OOC knowledge to make unfair calls
- The loss of transparency makes it difficult to remove failing moderators
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Transparency is important on these forums. It was a prominent issue raised when they were being created. In practice I don't think knowing who the moderator is would be an issue in the IC forums, so long as moderators take a slightly different approach to that used in the other forum areas; avoid a rule-set, use common sense and discretion, be diplomatic and sensitive to the importance that individual posters may attach to their RP.
The other benefit is that the community posting here is certainly different in character to how it was before backstage. In the era of chatsubo, with some threads you could see a fight coming from post #1, and there was a feeling that the standards were applied differently to different posters.
I am confident that IC moderation can work much better with non-anonymous moderators, and that grievances can easily be addressed if we avoid a rule-set and use common-sense and a 'behind closed doors' conflict resolution approach.
scagga:
--- Quote from: Makkal on 16 Jun 2015, 21:59 ---If a mod causes problems, complain about it. If other mods/admins agree they're causing problems, they'll be removed from their position as faction mod.
That's no different than the rest of the forum.
I assume moderation is a strictly OOC affair. Silver is awesome, but he's obviously not an IC moderator of the Caldari faction. OOCly, he can be the moderator of the Caldari forum, or the Amarr forums. Let mods use their 'main' accounts and a different text color when they speak to someone as a mod.
Two things I'd like to suggest:
-- The person who starts a thread, say for a location, is typically the 'owner' of the thread, much like one is the 'owner' of a chatroom in EVE. That way if I start a thread called [Location] Makkal's Smokin' Hot Exotic Dancing and Buffalo Wing Shack and a patron says, "I break a beer bottle on the table and shove the jagged glass into the bartender's face," I can simply narrate, "Cybernetically enhanced bouncers drag your ass outside," and that's considered legit.
-- I don't think we need separate accounts for background characters. I assume that [Location] Makkal's Smokin' Hot Exotic Dancing and Buffalo Wing Shack will have a barman, waiter, exotic dancers, blackjack dealers, bouncers, and a tattoo artist in the back, and creating accounts for each of these would be unfun. Likewise, people who visit might have a secretary, attache, or oiled slaves to carry their palanquin, and they can be handled under the handle of whatever PC they're with.
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Forgot to reply to this. Yes, I'd agree there is no concrete need for a separate account to represent non-player entities in locations. Ultimately I'm sure different threads may play out according to different OP preferences within reason.
Lyn Farel:
--- Quote from: scagga on 20 Jun 2015, 02:53 ---
--- Quote from: Ché Biko on 19 Jun 2015, 09:35 ---
--- Quote from: scagga on 18 Jun 2015, 02:25 ---Why do you think anonymity on an internet forum improves moderation?
--- End quote ---
Because concerns about OOC/IC consequences for taking or not taking a mod action are less likely.
Also, I don't really know most of you people, and exchanging one pseudonym (char name) for another (mod name) hardly matters in my opinion.
And, I would prefer to prevent situations where an inferiour argument/action/whatever from a popular char would "win" against a better argument from an unpopular one. Anonimity helps seperate the message from the messenger.
--- End quote ---
You make some fair points.
Let me take your concerns and frame them with how I see issues with anonymous moderators:
- An anonymous moderator can make unfair interventions in the IC forums
- Other anonymous moderators may not identify this as unfair, because they may not be aware of certain IC/OOC relations or nuances
- Other anonymous moderators may therefore close ranks with what they think is a fair moderation decision
- It would not be possible to confidently identify a moderator abusing IC/OOC knowledge to make unfair calls
- The loss of transparency makes it difficult to remove failing moderators
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Transparency is important on these forums. It was a prominent issue raised when they were being created. In practice I don't think knowing who the moderator is would be an issue in the IC forums, so long as moderators take a slightly different approach to that used in the other forum areas; avoid a rule-set, use common sense and discretion, be diplomatic and sensitive to the importance that individual posters may attach to their RP.
The other benefit is that the community posting here is certainly different in character to how it was before backstage. In the era of chatsubo, with some threads you could see a fight coming from post #1, and there was a feeling that the standards were applied differently to different posters.
I am confident that IC moderation can work much better with non-anonymous moderators, and that grievances can easily be addressed if we avoid a rule-set and use common-sense and a 'behind closed doors' conflict resolution approach.
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Again I agree, but in my case it didn't quite totally work for me. As long as mods protect each other or just see them as part of the same social close circle, that kind of things will happen. I have been several times aggressed by mods on that very forum, protested, and only got to eat more crows when the mods disagreed for whatever reason.
Maybe also because they can speak to each other through other mediums, either channels, or moderation hidden forums, creating de facto some places where the offended party (a member) can not make his case while the offender (the mod), can.
I have no solution for this though. It's mostly a human problem.
Havohej:
Hi, Scagga! Missed you, mate.
Going to read this thread and respond to you tomorrow morning/afternoon (EST).
Havohej:
A lot of the ideas discussed here were previously touched upon, some in depth, in previous threads on the topic.
Last time I was able to be actively and regularly up to date, the general idea was that if/when the IC forum was formally launched, it would be a separate set of boards on a separate subdomain (i.e.: ICforum.eve-inspiracy.com), which would very likely mean separate accounts anyway - and given that the prevailing sentiment seemed to be in favor of both alts and non-capsuleer characters being welcome (provided they be 'legitimate' characters and not just shit-stirring sock puppets), I imagine that most - if not all - users of an IC forum would have at least two accounts on that subdomain.
I'm going to take the last updated ruleset, create a sticky in the already-created 4-board beta IC forum here on backstage and open it for use. For the purposes of the beta boards here on backstage, IIRC it was agreed upon by the active mod staff that use should be restricted to IG names in the beginning (someone on the team correct me if I'm mistaken in that recollection, please), so I'm going to go with that.
If these boards are used, and I can't see any indication that they would not be, then we as a whole can (should) continue to use this discussion thread to calmly and civilly discuss what is or isn't working and what should or shouldn't change before we go to the trouble of creating a fully fleshed-out forum on its own subdomain.
I'll be doing this tonight before I go to bed.
EDIT: It should be obvious that nothing in the rules post should be taken as Finalized - the whole thing should just be able to get smoothed out organically.
I get a day off tomorrow, so in between playing with my baby I'll be checking in to see what, if anything, is going on with the test boards.
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