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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Silas Vitalia on 22 May 2013, 12:27
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This is a subject that has been coming up lately with a few IC and OOC pilots I know.
I generally find the whole thing fascinating; the range and quality of smacktalk, its effect on pilots, and its ability to sometimes throw people so off and into a rage as to make mistakes and suffer for it.
For every "GF" given or handed out we can always expect 8,000% more general shit talking and posturing.
People don't like losing ships, people don't like being embarrassed. People like to talk a big game as soon as the odds are in their favor. People have short memories.
Being a "Pirate" these last few years I've noticed a marked increase in ferocity and nastiness in local comms in my direction. I never cease to be amazed how rage-inducing losing one's spaceship can be to generate this behavior.
Do any of you participate in this sort of thing? Do you enjoy ribbing people in local and harvesting bitter tears in return? Or have you been guilty of losing something and resorted to raging in local? Let's hear it :)
I used to have an extremely tight 'no talking in local, ever' policy for myself and my fleets, as I used to find it distracting, and then doubly embarrassing if someone under my command talks shit only to explode spectacularly seconds later.
This has loosened up over the years, I like giving out 'GF's when it was a fun fight, the enemy is well-mannered, and keeping it light in local when I can.
I will absolutely troll pvpers when they are gunshy despite knowing the odds.
I think TSF has had some experience with this lately, with one of their new ooc neighbors being absolute sore losers and trying to troll them as RPers for days on end, only to be met with wonderful TSF win :)
This brings me to the absolute greatest experience one can have in EVE, IMO.
Catching someone who smacktalks you, killing them, and sending them on the pod express home. There is no higher joy.
Bit of a rant but curious on some of your thoughts.
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My favorite moment is after the fight, when the losing smack talkers suddenly go silent.
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My favorite moment is after the fight, when the losing smack talkers suddenly go silent.
When this happens you can almost feel the rage through the silence
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That's partly because of that kind of things that I lost faith in humanity long ago. Among several other things.
Edit : however I have to admit that it's quite satisfying to kill a guy in ishkur that has been insulting/trolling you for hours in your local Providence belt, or to instakill and podkill a smacktalker in FW in rifter with an artycane.
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The first ship I lost in lowsec, in solo pvp, after my pod warped away the dialogue went like this :
"Me : Arf ^^
Pirate : gf :)
Me : thanks for the lesson :)"
And I've tried to maintain this attitude. I'm probably not a good example : I don't pvp very often, I'm not good at it. If I were to rage every time I lose a ship I would be little more than an incoherent bubbling ball of spite.
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The first ship I lost in lowsec, in solo pvp, after my pod warped away the dialogue went like this :
"Me : Arf ^^
Pirate : gf :)
Me : thanks for the lesson :)"
And I've tried to maintain this attitude. I'm probably not a good example : I don't pvp very often, I'm not good at it. If I were to rage every time I lose a ship I would be little more than an incoherent bubbling ball of spite.
You are a great example of a positive attitude, more of you please :)
My first trip into low went pretty much exactly the same way, my Noob Maller with t1 guns tried to solo a HAC. Did not end well :)
Secret Shame: I've kept a watchlist for nearly all of the early people who killed me, going for like 7 years. Someday they will be podded and have -no idea- why :)
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I've never indulged in smacktalk. "GF", "Yarr", "Nice kill", "almost got me", and of course, "damn your dps/tank/speed is sexy what's your secret?".
I receive a great deal of smack back. Mostly it's just 'fuck off' when I try and ransom, but sometimes they accuse me of solo-camping stations/gates, 'get a real ship', etc. Faggot, whore, cunt, and pussy are all popular.
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I've never indulged in smacktalk. "GF", "Yarr", "Nice kill", "almost got me", and of course, "damn your dps/tank/speed is sexy what's your secret?".
I receive a great deal of smack back. Mostly it's just 'fuck off' when I try and ransom, but sometimes they accuse me of solo-camping stations/gates, 'get a real ship', etc. Faggot, whore, cunt, and pussy are all popular.
Yea I always love how blowing up someone's spaceship translates to I'm a raging cock hungry faggot. News to me! Always funny though.
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[16:12:10] Kalaratiri > gf
[16:12:31] Damar Rocarion > gf implies respect. I dont respect you
[16:12:45] Kalaratiri > don't worry, its mutual ^_^
I'm not above replying to a particularly hilarious bit of smack. He was flying a dishonour hookbill, scram, web, ecm, tracking disruptor, ab and an armour tank. Evil little blighter, which I managed to kill with a 10mn rail catalyst after he missed every single jam.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who fits ecm on a non-bonused hull needs smacking.
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As far as I'm concerned, anyone who fits ecm on a non-bonused hull needs smacking.
Hehe you'd be smacking a lot of folks. There's a trend to use your armour bc mids for just that among some pirate entities.
As for the topic. I rarely smack. Sometimes I put on my wizard hat on and go all yarrpea on them. It confuses them.
Nothing is quite as funny as putting a smacker in their place tho.
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Tbh, the smack-attitude is something I really dislike about EVE or the internet in general. There are many people who are a good sport about winning and losing. The sizeable party of the dimwitted smacktalking guys with attitude problem is just so vocal, which taints quite a lot of the community. Which also makes it the most satisfying thing you can do, killing them. Repeatedly. Offer a polite 'gf' in local, and see it filled with rage.
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Space bushido requires excruciating politeness whenever manageable, and silence when it isn't. A sincere thank-you after a fight is always appropriate, whether it is for the pretty explosion or for the ammunition spent on you.
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I've never indulged in smacktalk. "GF", "Yarr", "Nice kill", "almost got me", and of course, "damn your dps/tank/speed is sexy what's your secret?".
I receive a great deal of smack back. Mostly it's just 'fuck off' when I try and ransom, but sometimes they accuse me of solo-camping stations/gates, 'get a real ship', etc. Faggot, whore, cunt, and pussy are all popular.
Yea I always love how blowing up someone's spaceship translates to I'm a raging cock hungry faggot. News to me! Always funny though.
I cop a guilty plea to the cock-hungry bit, but I am no whore! Just what kind of boy do they think I am?
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I've had one non-fleet fight, which involved an intercepter kicking my ass. I discovered he didn't loot my stuff so when I saw him in a system later, I thanked him for the fight. He didn't respond.
PvP terrifies me. I kinda hate it. Smacktalk would require me to write when my brain has shrunk down to lizard level.
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I've had one non-fleet fight, which involved an intercepter kicking my ass. I discovered he didn't loot my stuff so when I saw him in a system later, I thanked him for the fight. He didn't respond.
PvP terrifies me. I kinda hate it. Smacktalk would require me to write when my brain has shrunk down to lizard level.
Pro Smacktalkers do their work -before- actually ever undocking, silly rabbit :P
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I've had one non-fleet fight, which involved an intercepter kicking my ass. I discovered he didn't loot my stuff so when I saw him in a system later, I thanked him for the fight. He didn't respond.
PvP terrifies me. I kinda hate it. Smacktalk would require me to write when my brain has shrunk down to lizard level.
You just need to get ~40 velators, fit with blasters and drones, and lose them all in one day. You will come to enjoy shiploss.
And then, young grasshopper, you will learn to play stationgames while accusing your opponent of being a spineless pussyfart conducting themselves with all the honour of a sequined frogfaggot.
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For every "GF" given or handed out we can always expect 8,000% more general shit talking and posturing.
This has loosened up over the years, I like giving out 'GF's when it was a fun fight, the enemy is well-mannered, and keeping it light in local when I can.
Incidentally, I absolutely hate "GFs", they are used so often, and in so many different situation, that for me they are effectively meaningless. Also, 90% of communication over local comms has been replaced by "GFs". If only there was some quality smack, better as those stupid everpresent GF's.
Because I gotten pretty tired of them, but people now tend to get upset if you *don't* post GFs and I have absolutely no intention of participation in this idiot social convention, I've started a campaign of my own to bring back meaningfull GFs by posting 'gf' with a link to one of the images below:
Win
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_brave.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_brave_odds.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_by_his_light.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_copilot.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_kneel.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_sinners.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_target_practice.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_unbelievers.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_walk_in_darkness.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_alternate_strategy.jpg)
Loss
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_humility.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_prayer_time.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_ran_out.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_strategy.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_applaud_wisdom.jpg)
Both
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_impressive_heathen.jpg)
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_impressive_rustbucket.jpg)
Other
(http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/gf_loki.jpg)
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I've had one non-fleet fight, which involved an intercepter kicking my ass. I discovered he didn't loot my stuff so when I saw him in a system later, I thanked him for the fight. He didn't respond.
PvP terrifies me. I kinda hate it. Smacktalk would require me to write when my brain has shrunk down to lizard level.
Pro Smacktalkers do their work -before- actually ever undocking, silly rabbit :P
Oh. There needs to be a guide, you know?
You just need to get ~40 velators, fit with blasters and drones, and lose them all in one day. You will come to enjoy shiploss.
And then, young grasshopper, you will learn to play stationgames while accusing your opponent of being a spineless pussyfart conducting themselves with all the honour of a sequined frogfaggot.
Hey now, that's just obscene. I mean that sort of language is seriously offensive.
I don't fly motherfucking velators.
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Space bushido requires excruciating politeness whenever manageable, and silence when it isn't. A sincere thank-you after a fight is always appropriate, whether it is for the pretty explosion or for the ammunition spent on you.
Not if you are IC on local comms. It takes some creativity to get the 'thank you' message across OOC while simultaneously appearing to talk adversarial IC.
However, in my experience, creative insults work best when the your target's friends are around. They tend to appreciate it if you give their mate a good thrashing if you are doing it in an original way and with an obvious ;)
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Merdaneth Wins Thread.
Interestingly I've also been doing this with a series of "WELCOME TO KHANID" images I post in local after fights as well. Will link later :)
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For every "GF" given or handed out we can always expect 8,000% more general shit talking and posturing.
This has loosened up over the years, I like giving out 'GF's when it was a fun fight, the enemy is well-mannered, and keeping it light in local when I can.
Incidentally, I absolutely hate "GFs", they are used so often, and in so many different situation, that for me they are effectively meaningless. Also, 90% of communication over local comms has been replaced by "GFs". If only there was some quality smack, better as those stupid everpresent GF's.
This.
And I treat Local as IC, so pretty much no smacktalking from me (unless it's all of us in PIE reciting Scripture or something).
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As far as I'm concerned, anyone who fits ecm on a non-bonused hull needs smacking.
I never got smacked before by fitting ECM to non-bonused hulls. Usually because I use the ECM to engage above my weight class, or use it as insurance against blobs, only hitting the jam when the reinforcements arrive.
In my experience, smack is worst when you have your enemies think they had no chance of winning (or when you had no chance of winning). Simply not using your local repairer to give the opponent an impression of a close fight while its not, tends to have them leave with a good feeling.
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That's Merdaneth, Silas! Totally different holy paladin!
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That's Merdaneth, Silas! Totally different holy paladin!
....The fail is strong with me today. Small work monitor, didn't read it fully.
.... sorry :oops:
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I miss the old days, where I got smacktalk directed to me all the time. Now, it's rare. :|
I still enjoy this one, though:
Sakura Nihil > By the way, wanna buy your loot back?
Eht namrezzY > not after your dirty baby-eating pirate hands have touched my modules
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Hey now, that's just obscene. I mean that sort of language is seriously offensive.
I don't fly motherfucking velators.
Well, enjoy your terribad Impairor, or else spend the rest of your days huddling in terror when someone red and flashy gets the jump on you.
The Vel is awesome. Don't talk shit 'bout the Vel.
Also, Merdaneth's images are fucking awesome. Truly, he is not a sequined frogfaggot.
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Not if you are IC on local comms. It takes some creativity to get the 'thank you' message across OOC while simultaneously appearing to talk adversarial IC.
Who said anything about OOC thanks? Fuck these guys for blowing up my expensive space pixels, really.
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I am totally going to steal Merdaneth's idea with portrait IC trollings for piracy victims. Those things are so much win it hurts, and I love everything about them.
I'll have to retire my current crop of OOC local ribbing for victims of the yarr.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37317270.jpg)
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37317279.jpg)
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37317290.jpg)
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Well, enjoy your terribad Impairor, or else spend the rest of your days huddling in terror when someone red and flashy gets the jump on you.
I shall enjoy my terriban Impairor, thank you.
Though I wonder if my corp will appreciate my getting 40 losses on the KB.
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Before the Fight:
(http://i.imgur.com/52U6Qnt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Pm5sX9P.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9I3QpaT.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/NbMr6ev.jpg)
After the Fight (win):
(http://i.imgur.com/4bwLLFp.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LqDY5lA.jpg)
After the Fight (lose):
(http://i.imgur.com/DqyLDFv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gBbtPTX.jpg)
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Smack/vitriol/predatory bullshit is a big reason I took my hiatus from Eve and just stopped PVPing. A jab here and there is one thing, but a lot of people take it to new levels.
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Smack/vitriol/predatory bullshit is a big reason I took my hiatus from Eve and just stopped PVPing. A jab here and there is one thing, but a lot of people take it to new levels.
Fuck those guys and girls. Literally, ignore the pricks, or take pleasure in their tears.
It shows you're doing something right.
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I treat local outside the trade hubs as IC. (The Trade hubs are special because Amarr Local). I've got no problem with anything happening in local, or my corpies doing any particular thing, as long as they're IC and aren't violating corporate policy.
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Smack/vitriol/predatory bullshit is a big reason I took my hiatus from Eve and just stopped PVPing. A jab here and there is one thing, but a lot of people take it to new levels.
Fuck those guys and girls. Literally, ignore the pricks, or take pleasure in their tears.
But what if the effort of ignoring the pricks becomes more than the enjoyment in the game?
Back in the day, my corp stopped participating in alliance ops because of all verbal diarrhea (the alliance collapsed because of :Goons: before we could leave).
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Smack/vitriol/predatory bullshit is a big reason I took my hiatus from Eve and just stopped PVPing. A jab here and there is one thing, but a lot of people take it to new levels.
Fuck those guys and girls. Literally, ignore the pricks, or take pleasure in their tears.
But what if the effort of ignoring the pricks becomes more than the enjoyment in the game?
Back in the day, my corp stopped participating in alliance ops because of all verbal diarrhea (the alliance collapsed because of :Goons: before we could leave).
Block, block, block, and failing that minimize local :)
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I'm not sure if I have a coherent strategy here.
I don't go for tears for their own sake, and in fact I think that 'tears' as meme are so overused that the meme absolutely positively deserves to die. PsycOps in order to draw a target into tactical mistake is different.
I appreciate smacktalk if it is witty, has barb, and in general reflects an intelligent mind. Bonus points for RP smacktalk. I don't do it often myself, as smacktalking in a foreign language is not easy.
After a won fight, I do offer a 'gf', and even if most people might consider it an empty formality, I mean it. I wouldn't add things like the proposed image links, because I don't see the need to rub in that I won - and besides, I'm usually too busy with GTFO to type more. And if I lose a fight, I usually add acknowledgment in local as well, though it won't be "gf" :)
What I hate is the infantile crap - the well-known collection of ascii graphics, SUDDEN BUTTSEX!, and racist/sexual slurs. Not just because the are unnecessarily offensive, if not hate speech (as if that weren't enough) - they are also sooo boring and tedious. Verbal Garbage is not smack, period. Btw, Ob-Example for creative insults (SFW): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urdf4g-LXk4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urdf4g-LXk4)
In general, I find it a pity that not more people talk in local, considering that this is an MMO. But I think, barring the implementation of the Internet Remote Clobber Protocol, this might not change anytime soon.
PS. @Silas: And the above is leads to my reply to your latest post: If I played an MMO in order to play with people I don't know yet, but then ended up blocking/hiding most, if not all of them - why play at all? There are other things to do in ones spare time.
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The last time I had a conversation in local with an opponent he was asking how much structure I had left when he exploded, was it 12%? I told him it was 10%, and he sighed. We were both very polite about it.
I usually don't talk in local, but it was a good fight, and if I'd known what that new-fangled ship was before I engaged, I wouldn't have engaged. As it was I solo popped something worth 10 times my ships value by mistake.
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The last time I had a conversation in local with an opponent he was asking how much structure I had left when he exploded, was it 12%? I told him it was 10%, and he sighed. We were both very polite about it.
I usually don't talk in local, but it was a good fight, and if I'd known what that new-fangled ship was before I engaged, I wouldn't have engaged. As it was I solo popped something worth 10 times my ships value by mistake.
What was it?!
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I like to smack IC-ly a lot (: Calling peoples races and stuff.
My favorite smack line is "COWARDS!!!", "SCAREDY CATS!!!" :lol: And it covers almost all situations.
As for gfs, I give them to accidental fights, and prefer to avoid them in general, just like Damar, when I fight my IC enemies. Because, well, if they are enemies, I should treat them like that. (things like: "i will track you down and kill your pet furrier" is totally acceptible for me)
I like to tease peoples before fight with something like "you all will die!"
And, should I win somehow (and not blast into big ball of fire as usual), I don't give "gf", but rather state significance of victory for my cause :bear: This motivates them to try harder to kill me next time ;)
Well, of course, in fleets I tend to keep "radio silence" and give "gfs" when ordered :P
As for OOC smack, I prefer to avoid and ignore (or turn it into IC :P)
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I usually don't talk in local, but it was a good fight, and if I'd known what that new-fangled ship was before I engaged, I wouldn't have engaged. As it was I solo popped something worth 10 times my ships value by mistake.
What was it?!
An "Algol" I think, I thought it was a new frigate or something based on the pic in the moment before I didn't have a choice any more. The KM said his ship was worth 17M and my thrasher was worth 1.7
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I've taken the self-perception route to smack.
Why would I smack?
To make myself feel better.
To make them feel worse.
To engage them socially.
To roleplay.
Smacking actually does not make me feel better, it will make me think about losses or victories more starting a cycle in my head that in the long run is just not worth it.
I have no reason to make anyone feel bad while they are playing a game with me.
Most of the people I came across in EVE were completely meaningless to me so to engage them socially was pointless.
Ah, the roleplaying aspect.
That is fun, but the problem with it is that to really engage in a roleplaying way it would need more time than local, so I usually took my roleplay somewhere else, like Amarr channel.
So usually it was just regular Amarrian one-liners when engaging the enemy.
Otherwise just stone cold silence.
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I usually don't talk in local, but it was a good fight, and if I'd known what that new-fangled ship was before I engaged, I wouldn't have engaged. As it was I solo popped something worth 10 times my ships value by mistake.
What was it?!
An "Algol" I think, I thought it was a new frigate or something based on the pic in the moment before I didn't have a choice any more. The KM said his ship was worth 17M and my thrasher was worth 1.7
Algos :P
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Secret Shame: I've kept a watchlist for nearly all of the early people who killed me, going for like 7 years. Someday they will be podded and have -no idea- why :)
Deleted mine after about 5 years, to many people on it that had either quit the game or were way to entrenched in null or whatever for me to actually reach, and I figured there would be no point spending all my time trying to get even. Ofc, I can easily re-create that list to some extent, finding all the ones on my loss-mails from years past, but it won't be all, many ships were lost and killed in the time before KB's became prominent, they were never recorded anywhere.
As for the general topic at hand, I try to keep to the 'no talking in local EVER' mantra myself, because I find it never produces anything good. The only exceptions have been in my real noob years when I occasionally broke this (more like "before I got it") and recently in a RP sense - a WT gang was in low-sec and we were skirmishing a bit in a plex, I, and by extension my toon ofc, went ahead with the kind of "Get out of my homeland you oppressive piece of ยค#&/(%" and other more refined stuff, all aimed at trying to get under the other guy's skin and have them make mistakes. I don't know if it worked or not but I soon decided against the tactic, I wasn't very good at it and IC smack, even if refined and with a hint of purpose, is still smack :lol:
Finally, I don't even hold to the old "GF" offering, because IMHO it's nothing more than A) a hollow, usually false statement that is offered only due to habit and "tradition", if you will, or B) smack-talk of the worst and most simple sort, depending on who offers it and in what situation. Others don't agree ofc, but I'm sticking to my beliefs anyhow.
*EDIT* P.S Merdaneth - I love you. :cube:
That is all.
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I'll typically offer (or reply with) a "gf". It may be a meaningless pleasantry in most cases, but that's the case with so many of the things that make up good manners: They're little dribs and drabs of social lubricant that collectively help us all to get along in a civil manner. In the best circumstances, this opens the way to a good conversation about the fight. I've made friends in the game as a result, and in one case even considered learning Swedish to join a Swedish corp that I particularly enjoyed fighting (anyone from NSN, hi there!).
I do enjoy clever, IC smacktalk, and I'll give (and receive) happily. I despise OOC smacktalk, and either respond with a simple "*chortle*", or ignore it entirely. It's pretty easy to tell the difference between the two.
Though I did, early on, decide that Shin was bi partially because of all the people who typed "fag" in local after a fight. "Oh? They know?", she'd think to herself...
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I'll typically offer (or reply with) a "gf". It may be a meaningless pleasantry in most cases, but that's the case with so many of the things that make up good manners: They're little dribs and drabs of social lubricant that collectively help us all to get along in a civil manner. In the best circumstances, this opens the way to a good conversation about the fight.
This, tbh. It's just a simple courtesy, a basic indication that you respect your opponent slightly more than the dirt on your shoes. If I have a genuinely excellent fight, however, I tend to gush a little in local.
People who barely lose to me have been known to get a little :oops: over my complimenting of their l33t skillz