People have been calling Heth's introduction to EVE the word thing to ever happen to Caldari RP. Now that he's being removed by Falcon, people are complaining? Seriously?
Thing is, most of the events that serve as prologue surrounding this current arc are mostly outlined in Templar One which our characters do not know about.
People have been calling Heth's introduction to EVE the word thing to ever happen to Caldari RP. Now that he's being removed by Falcon, people are complaining? Seriously?
You know why Game of Thrones is such a good book? Because the badguys win. Heth is a horrible person but he's not a bad character. (Poorly written in some cases.) Conflict is needed for any good story. Heth has been good for Caldari RP, overall.
I...agree with BB?
People have been calling Heth's introduction to EVE the word thing to ever happen to Caldari RP. Now that he's being removed by Falcon, people are complaining? Seriously?
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=caldari-navy-stands-down-remains-secretive
Caldari war mashine standing down, jobs done ?
Approved by "EVERY megacorpation", that would mean Ishukone too ?
The Broker was the worst thing to happen to Caldari RP. Heth's intro was a Broker ploy. Heth should have been a mixed bag, but we have little to no insight how wide spread the reforms have been and if those reforms are directly tired to CPD penetration. All we get is a paranoid baseliner, used to introduce Factional Warfare (where he was unneeded) and now the introduction of DUSTies (where he is unneeded).Pretty much! It's the prime example of why reading the TonyG novels is bad for your health; every time Heth comes up you need to plug up your ears, tightly close your eyes, and go "LA LA LA LA LA" real loudly to help yourself ignore all of the stuff you're not supposed to know, but too terrible to ignore easily. It's a strain.
I'm definitely going to stay tuned. ;)Ditto!
You know why Game of Thrones is such a good book? Because the badguys win. Heth is a horrible person but he's not a bad character. (Poorly written in some cases.) Conflict is needed for any good story. Heth has been good for Caldari RP, overall.
No, wrong. Heth has been TERRIBLE for Caldari RP.
First off, 'Caldari RP' is the players who engage in it. When the whole thing with Heth started plenty of State RP'ers up and left, either quit RP'ing, changed their RP aims or quit the game. That was directly bad.
Secondly Heth introduced a very un-Caldari concept to Caldari RP that went right in the face of what PF had established as 'Caldari like' for so long. Back when we had no Emperor, Prime Minister Midular and President Fouritain, the State enjoyed a unique edge by being directly led by a council of CEO's for the corporations. It helped reinforce the idea that the State was not really that much of a "State" but more a confederation of 8 massive corporations and the 8 CEO's who ran them were directly in charge, with a few collective entities under their control that they all assist with, like the Navy. The Republican Prime Minister had her council of Tribal leaders and representatives, the Federation's President had the Senate and back before Doriam was offed there was the Council of Heirs that directly ruled in the Emperor's name. The Caldari were the only ones not to have a single figurehead to look to BACKED by a council type organ, the Council type organ WAS DIRECTLY IN CHARGE.
In short, Heth simplified the State in a major, and very un-Caldari way. And he did not even do a good job at it - his involvement turned a morally-grey faction with debt and nuances into a single-minded corporate dictatorship that got their simple, blacker shades from super-racism, starting a war out of hatred and generally just converting that State into this would-be arc-typical "bad guy" faction. It capitalized on amplifying all the negative traits the State possessed to make them 'darker' and more 'bad'.
And EVE is not about Good VS Bad. (Federation/Republic VS State/Empire) It's about Grey and Grey vs Grey and Grey, all with slightly different shades and plenty of vibrant back-story, and this is what people like Tony G seemed never to understand.
Honestly, if Heth is removed and some of that "Caldari like" essence is restored to the State I'll be very happy, very happy.
There's that word again. Libertarian?
I cannot align this word with the mere description "Corporate Dictatorship" given on the caldari - and this was prior to Heth.
There's that word again. Libertarian?
I cannot align this word with the mere description "Corporate Dictatorship" given on the caldari - and this was prior to Heth.
There is a huge dichotomy towards the libertarian aspect of the Caldari. Your points make it very valid, but also when one considers that libertarianism is also the systematic denial of any involvement of the state and the law in individual lifes... It fits well for the megas, but less for their citizens.
The State has the potential of going all big brother on their citizens ( or rather, the megacorporations have this for their employees ). It's influencing its citizens heavily and there are mechanisms of control that aren't very libertarian. You get paid in corporate scrip, you are very likely encouraged to stay brand loyal and not just live in [megacorp] living quarters but also buy products by the corporation in question.
Switching megacorporate affiliation isn't as easy as you make it sound. Loyality to the employer is encouraged, demanded and extremely common. So going against this is naturally raising red flags. The recent "demographics" article has kind of confirmed this.
To me it looks like the State has all the tools necessary to exert massive control but it doesn't need to use them in most occasions due to the way the caldari people are ticking. After all, the system wasn't forced onto them but more or less chosen and adopted to their needs and preferences. You might want to phrase it as "benevolent dictatorship".
The second group includes those who've found themselves moving between two or three different corporations and who have in the process come to consider how thoroughly indoctrinated the average employee is. These individuals end up doing very well in non-standard careers or in unlikely places within the corporate structure, united solely by their lack of adherence to the standard caste ladder.
The State is still "libertarian". There are few if any laws made by the State government that restrict individuals in any way, shape or form, at least prior to Heth and that ridiculousness. Of course, corporations owned almost all that territory already, but it was only fair, they were the ones that colonized it in the first place...and you wouldn't deny a man his right to private property, would you?
Really? I think the Caldari State is pretty much a taken-to-the-extreme example of what happens if you get rid of almost all government regulation. No one is forced to work for a corporation, you have every right not to sign that employment contract. The fact that you will have a very hard time of it if you don't isn't the government's problem, it's yours.
In practice, the Caldari State is definitely not a libertarian utopia, but there's a reason that "utopia" means "no place."
Libertarianism is a set of related political philosophies
which emphasize individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary
association.
Driven by the cultural premise that the
good of the whole must come before the needs of the individual
He knows that even if Gallente society can
be called a capitalistic one, the capitalism followed by the Gallenteans is
fundamentally different than the one found in the Caldari State. For
Gallenteans, the accumulation of wealth is something that is done on an
individual level and personal wealth only matters in comparison to the
wealth of other individuals. For the Caldari the economic wheels of the
state are controlled by huge corporations and for corporations competition,
efficiency and market share is more important than accumulation of wealth
(although the latter is often a happy by-product of the former) - business
for the good of the individual rather than the good of the many is
something totally alien to the Caldari.
Duty and discipline are required traits
in Caldari citizens, plus unquestioning loyalty to the corporation they
live to serve.
As long as you keep
in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly
pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict,
disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their
respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are
suicide or exile
Anygovernmental
interference to keep things in check through legislation and
policing is naturally perceived as oppression of the rights and freedom of
individuals, constantly creating tension.
the libertarian
culture
All land and real
estate is owned by a company which leases it to the citizens
I must admit I am very confused to see Caldari and libertarianism in the same sentence. I would not misconstrue confederalism with libertarianism.
As far as the PF reads, each megacorporation appears to function as a government/state unto itself, and all seem to be very statist. Even the PF
which goes back before Tibus Heth (I am assuming the following is) alludes to this.
Quote from: WikipediaLibertarianism is a set of related political philosophies which emphasize individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association.
This is the complete opposite of what we know of the Caldari.
Quote from: Deteis Bloodline descriptionDriven by the cultural premise that the good of the whole must come before the needs of the individual...Quote from: Caldari in-game descriptionDuty and discipline are required traits in Caldari citizens, plus unquestioning loyalty to the corporation they live to serve.
Quote from: Power Politics chronicleHe knows that even if Gallente society can be called a capitalistic one, the capitalism followed by the Gallenteans is fundamentally different than the one found in the Caldari State. For Gallenteans, the accumulation of wealth is something that is done on an individual level and personal wealth only matters in comparison to the wealth of other individuals. For the Caldari the economic wheels of the state are controlled by huge corporations and for corporations competition, efficiency and market share is more important than accumulation of wealth (although the latter is often a happy by-product of the former) - business for the good of the individual rather than the good of the many is something totally alien to the Caldari.
Quote from: http://community.eveonline.com/races/caldari.aspAs long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile
The third point directly undermines the political freedom aspect of libertarianism, what with 'unquestioning loyalty'. The last point directly undermines the 'voluntary association' element of libertarianism. According to libertarianism, the ability to refuse participation should not come with the consequence of losing everything. Participation in the State is compulsory if you desire to live your life.
Quote from: http://community.eveonline.com/races/gallenteGov_intro.aspAny governmental interference to keep things in check through legislation and policing is naturally perceived as oppression of the rights and freedom of individuals, constantly creating tension.Quote from: Gallente Immigrants Ancestry descriptionthe libertarian culture
The Gallente dislike their government and appear to not want anything to do with it. This is in direct contrast to the Caldari, who put themselves
behind their government/megacorporation. Repeatedly in PF, we see the Gallente described as individualists and the Caldari as collectivists.
Libertarians are staunch critics of collectivism.
I'm also confused as to where the Caldari belief in the right to private property comes from, not only considering they are collectivists, but also when considering the following;Quote from: http://community.eveonline.com/races/caldari.aspAll land and real estate is owned by a company which leases it to the citizens
The question of "you wouldn't deny a man his right to private property" would not appear to be asked by a Caldari.
If the Caldari State were about individual liberty, private property, and the rejection of laws, then I would wonder why they are in staunch cultural
opposition to the Gallente. This is certainly not how I play them. Svetlana; how would the Gallente fit in EVE's ideological framework if the Caldari adopted an American libertarian outlook?
Black Rise on the demographic level is otherwise an anomaly when compared to the rest of the State. Because of its widespread disconnection, several communities have sprung up that are completely independent of the Caldari authorities, who otherwise do not tolerate disconnected entities within their borders.
I return to the following.
The Caldari and Gallente are two branches of the same interplanetary culture.
I return to the following.
The Caldari and Gallente are two branches of the same interplanetary culture.
If thats the absolute true, them i'm not able to explain or even begin to devise a way why caldari would put the well being of the group in front of the well being of the person.
I return to the following.
The Caldari and Gallente are two branches of the same interplanetary culture.
then i'm not able to explain or even begin to devise a way why caldari would put the well being of the group in front of the well being of the person.
In the development of the ante bellum Federation, what were the preferences of various groups? Did Gallente favor & push for terraforming, while the Caldari accepted more spartan living conditions? Why didn't these two groups, who for hundreds of years worked hand-in-hand merge?
Seems like Heth (http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=tibus-heth-denounces-blaques-rally-speech) has lost a bit of his crazy and is also back in the public again.
Home Guard and State Peacekeepers attack defenseless protestors. CONCORD intervenes too late. (http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=home-guard-and-state-peacekeepers-attack-defenseless-protestors-concord-intervenes-too-late)
Home Guard and State Peacekeepers attack defenseless protestors. CONCORD intervenes too late. (http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=home-guard-and-state-peacekeepers-attack-defenseless-protestors-concord-intervenes-too-late)
Apparently the protestors' security opened fire first during the planet-side riots. The freighters and their passengers however did not undertake any violent action.
Heth has distanced himself and says he's going to launch an investigation.
Home Guard and State Peacekeepers attack defenseless protestors. CONCORD intervenes too late. (http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=home-guard-and-state-peacekeepers-attack-defenseless-protestors-concord-intervenes-too-late)
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Home Guard and State Peacekeepers attack defenseless protestors. CONCORD intervenes too late. (http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=home-guard-and-state-peacekeepers-attack-defenseless-protestors-concord-intervenes-too-late)
Apparently the protestors' security opened fire first during the planet-side riots. The freighters and their passengers however did not undertake any violent action.
Heth has distanced himself and says he's going to launch an investigation.
State Peacekeepers open fire with "non-lethal" fire first.
A stupid noob question, what are: State Peacekeepers? I found Expert Intervention, but havent found them here (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DUST_514_NPC_Corporations). :cry:
They're a regular NPC corp that you can't join at all (even in DUST). Look it up in game. It's doesn't have a description though.Staat heißt das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer.*/State is the coldest of all cold monsters.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
So now Heth is saying that the State can just take the territory the megacorporations paid for before in the auction? And they are "investigating legal alternatives"?
I sincerely hope that is code for "figuring out how many nuclear weapons it takes to turn Tibus Heth's headquarters into a fine mist" or I'm going to be very upset. The State's enforcement authority for this is...what? Even if Tibus Heth was legally in the right, the State government doesn't have the force to back up a giant landgrab. :P
So now Heth is saying that the State can just take the territory the megacorporations paid for before in the auction? And they are "investigating legal alternatives"?
I sincerely hope that is code for "figuring out how many nuclear weapons it takes to turn Tibus Heth's headquarters into a fine mist" or I'm going to be very upset. The State's enforcement authority for this is...what? Even if Tibus Heth was legally in the right, the State government doesn't have the force to back up a giant landgrab. :P
Holy shit. Here it comes.
The Megas are turning against Heth. Even Lai Dai has issued a statement against him!
Yes, but...what has he done that has been good for the Practicals? Or anyone, aside from maybe the Patriots liking that they now have Caldari Prime? :P
Yes, but...what has he done that has been good for the Practicals? Or anyone, aside from maybe the Patriots liking that they now have Caldari Prime? :P
The Practicals push a type of neo-mercantilisim and the taking of Placid fits in with this agenda.
The Practicals push a type of neo-mercantilisim and the taking of Placid fits in with this agenda.
Well, it clearly didn't work out so great with that now....
Reading the most recent article, I am concerned that the storyline is actually not going to be a dead Heth and the ending of the CPD & office of Executor, but its solidification. :cry:
So KK does something stupid. I can see why their leadership would resign. But... All megas? Why all of the megas?:lol: I already can see, that some of those managers will get busted with a cheap hooker in the passenger seat and a bag of coke in the glovebox on their way thru Fed-space.... and end up on one of those embarrassing gallente celebrity TV shows.. :lol:
Why would a blanket 3% of management quit, especially in a society where you are your job? Where would they go even if they did?
The Amarr and Minmatar have easy rallying cries (religion and abolition, respectively), but even they could use something more meaty.I don't mean to derail this thread, but really, this is so making me twitch. The Caldari and the Federation aren't portrayed sophisticated enough and that's bad for numerous reasons, but it's good that the Amarr and Matar have 'easy rallying cries'? Amarr RP is suffering for quite some time under how the Amarr are portrayed by PF. I heared the Matari did, too and I'd agree. The Caldari (and Feds) aren't the only ones suffering here.
Rawr, for the homeworld.That, exactly, Svetlana. Thanks Des.
Rawr, for the homeworld.
Because it doesn't make much sense, mostly, and because it continues the way CCP has been writing the Caldari for the last 5 years where they seem to have forgotten how the Caldari were set up in the first place. You know, where there's no central authority and the central government only exists at the whim of the megacorps because they each have personal armies that dwarf the State's military? Instead, we have another boring fascist government where the ones with actual power seem to have forgotten they have the ability to tell a demagogue dragging them down "go fuck yourself". I get tired of the legitimate states of the cluster being made out to be horrible places, full of idiots and sneering villains, but the parasites that live on the fringes of society and survive by sponging off it are really not that bad and totally super awesome, man. Down with the system!
Fuuuuuuck that. Svetlana may not like the Federation or the Republic (or the Empire entirely, for that matter), but she still puts them head and shoulders above any of the "pirate empires." And it's been far too long since any of the empire RPers have had anything they could truly rally around. Give us something to fight for rather than fight against, for crying out loud. You want to know why Caldari RP has been sucked out? Because most Caldari RPers have gotten tired of trying to justify or go along with the utterly retarded and pointless acts of their faction. Why has Federation RP had such a shitty time since forever? Because CCP has made them so fucking bland for so long, and then turned them into incompetent boobs and caricatures of the worst parts of post-9/11 America that it's hard for anyone to actually feel passionate about their ideals. The Amarr and Minmatar have easy rallying cries (religion and abolition, respectively), but even they could use something more meaty.
Rawr, for the homeworld.
Except that CCP spent the first five years of Eve's existence claiming that most Caldari didn't seriously consider Caldari Prime worth fighting over. And now, it's not under any sort of actual threat.
And yes, Nicoletta, the Gallente have that, but...that's not a reason really to fight AGAINST anyone. They aren't at war with the Caldari because of any of those reasons. They're at war because...well, who knows. They certainly aren't under an existential threat from the Caldari (or at least, they shouldn't be).
Provists arrest at least five executives, supposed Federation operatives[/spoiler]
reported by CCP Eterne | 2013-03-10T03:09:00Z
New Caldari – Five executives, two of whom had recently resigned from their posts as part of a State-wide protest against the policies of State Executor Tibus Heth, have been arrested by the Caldari Provincial Directorate under charges of espionage and treason. The executives were all arrested shortly after 13:00 EST in a coordinated raid.
Two of the executives, former-Wiyrkomi vice president Ikane Hadonei and former-Sukuuvestaa CTO Genkarhaadan Nineven, had resigned as part of the mass-resignation that occurred last week. Nineven in particular had been exceedingly harsh in his denouncement of the Heth regime following his resignation, telling reporters in an interview, “The State is no longer the place I was born into. The 'meritocratic reforms' are a lie. Leaving my position was an incredibly difficult decision, but when I saw others doing it, I knew I couldn't sit by any more. If the cowardly CEP is happy to let our culture and way of life be destroyed, then I am tired of yelling into deaf ears. Better to take my wealth, go somewhere else, and make a better place for true Caldari.”
Nineven was reportedly arrested following a raid on his suite which left three members of his security staff hospitalized. Ikane Hadonei was arrested in the middle of an interview with Zoar and Sons. The other three executives, Mecantile Club Chief Procurement Officer Okkala Sahola, State and Region Bank's Chief Commercial Officer Sandere Lourdhen, and CBD Sell Division's Public Relations Officer Evvlynne Deermin were arrested in their corporate offices.
The Provists initially refused to release any statements on the arrests or even acknowledge their occurrence, but shortly before press time issued a short bulletin saying, “These high-profile individuals were identified by our investigations as having ties to Federation intelligence and being involved in a prolonged plan to destabilize the State government.”
CBD Sell Division released a statement saying, “We take accusations of treason and espionage very seriously. We will cooperate fully with investigators to uncover the full truth.” Meanwhile, both the Mercantile Club and State and Region Bank have put their full support behind the arrested executives, promising the weight of their legal divisions in defending the accused.
Rumors have claimed that others, particularly those involved in the mass resignations, have been arrested, but none have been confirmed.
Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
Oh look Ishukone are the "heroes" again. (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ishukone-access-to-caldari-prime-approved-full-negotiations-still-ongoing/)
It is to be expected, those collaborating Gallente-loving half-breeds. ;)
Oh look Ishukone are the heroes again.
Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.
Well, good. Ishukone exists solely for the twin purposes of negotiating rationally with the Federation and giving Hyasyoda an ass to kiss.
Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.
You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.
Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.
You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.
Just going by the chronicle, just going by the chronicle.
Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.
You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.
Just going by the chronicle, just going by the chronicle.
Which one?
The one where Ishukone purchases all the rights to Intaki?
It is sorta the Mary Sue Mega, crowned princess by TonyG. But hey, what are we gonna do?
Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.
You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.
Eh. I will grant that Ishukone is one of the few megas that has seen any real development on its own, but that's less because they're a Mary Sue and more because they are simply the one that is the only voice of opposition to Heth (and even that has been pathetically muted).
Plus, Ishukone has more foreign exposure than most of the others, it seems, so they benefit from things not devolving into all-out war.
It is sorta the Mary Sue Mega, crowned princess by TonyG. But hey, what are we gonna do?
No. Mary Sues don't take it on the chin as often as Ishukone has, and they aren't as small and weak in comparison to their peers
As someone who has been an Ishukone player from the get go (and never read Ruthless), let me just say that I was not happy about much of what happened in TEA. Especially since the CEO looked utterly retarded ("hey, I'll just leave my clone IN THE SPACE STATION I'M IN ALL THE TIME") and his sister looked weak and feckless (yet another of my critiques about TEA's misogynistic undercurrent, if you missed it). And then she GIVES AWAY insorum to the Minmatar. Smart. Move. Why did we chase Hnolku down again if you were just going to give it away to the Minmatar anyway?
Ishukone is one of the few megacorporations that's had a significant amount of development about what it is like aside from being Caldari. That is a crying shame and I'd really like to hear more about SuVee, NOH, and Lai Dai especially.
KK has a lot of foreign exposure as well (see their station distribution). The only two corps without significant presence outside the State are Lai Dai and Hyasyoda (again referencing station distribution).
As someone who has been an Ishukone player from the get go (and never read Ruthless), let me just say that I was not happy about much of what happened in TEA. Especially since the CEO looked utterly retarded ("hey, I'll just leave my clone IN THE SPACE STATION I'M IN ALL THE TIME") and his sister looked weak and feckless (yet another of my critiques about TEA's misogynistic undercurrent, if you missed it). And then she GIVES AWAY insorum to the Minmatar. Smart. Move. Why did we chase Hnolku down again if you were just going to give it away to the Minmatar anyway?
Ishukone is one of the few megacorporations that's had a significant amount of development about what it is like aside from being Caldari. That is a crying shame and I'd really like to hear more about SuVee, NOH, and Lai Dai especially.
Also, Lai Dai has deals with the Khanid, don't they? Just not stations?
KK has a lot of foreign exposure as well (see their station distribution). The only two corps without significant presence outside the State are Lai Dai and Hyasyoda (again referencing station distribution).
SuVee doesn't have station assets outside the State, although knowing them they probably conduct a lot of their foreign business via front companies and other dubious corporate practices.
It doesn't help that aside from the Lai Dai-SuVee affair, almost all Caldari news generally boils down to Kaalakiota being bellicose and Ishukone being the peacemakers.
And that's about it really.
Speaking as a member of I-RED, who has played the good and bad sides of Ishukone for a while now... I can say that having the Caldari underdog called a Mary Sue is frankly silly. I use the word "silly" because stronger words might earn me a moderator's ire.
Yes, we're the 'nice guys'... but don't think for a second that this is something to be admired in EVE. We've gotten kicked between the legs since TEA more times than I can count. Even OOC, our affiliations and PF leave people sometimes hesitant to trust Ishukone aligned roleplayers as "legitimate Caldari."
We might not be evil Nazi jackboot Provists, but we're sometimes portrayed/considered just as ridiculously, as spineless cowards who love the Gallente.
So please, Vikarion... don't say Ishukone is a Mary Sue, unless you're saying Mary Sues are the underdog.
Ishukone? Mary Sues? Whut.
Ishukone? Mary Sues? Whut.
I believe this is what you're looking for (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue). (No, not droids...)
would it be possible that Ishukone is doing all this to earn a Federation-recognized administrative license on the planet?
You know, manage it as a goverment concession and earn the profits while still maintaining caldari identity while being recognized as a non-threathening bargain inside fed space?
It would be a wise move if you ask me. Even perhaps trade intaki for caldari prime
would it be possible that Ishukone is doing all this to earn a Federation-recognized administrative license on the planet?
You know, manage it as a goverment concession and earn the profits while still maintaining caldari identity while being recognized as a non-threathening bargain inside fed space?
It would be a wise move if you ask me. Even perhaps trade intaki for caldari prime
Trade Intaki for Caldari Prime? Ishukone has no authority in Intaki, they made the deal to provide the Shipping and Security service and that's the extent of it, so they can't trade anything there for Caldari Prime.
Ofc, if you mean remove Intaki from the CEWPA treaty in return for gaining Caldari Prime, that would be up to CONCORD to decide, and the Senate and Intaki Assembly to discuss first. It still would not grant Ishukone anything to say in the matter, AFAIK.
I'm a little confused, tbh.
Also,the whole TCMC issue comes to mind.
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I would agree that the Insorum thing was likely an attempt to make amends for past sins.
Also,the whole TCMC issue comes to mind.
...
I would agree that the Insorum thing was likely an attempt to make amends for past sins.
The other way to spin the release of the Insorum-cure is to create a larger market for TCMCs in the Empire & Kingdom. Thus the Insorum-cure has nothing to do with amends for past sins and everything to do continuing those past sins for the betterment of the Ishukone Corporation. :twisted:
I always frame Ishukone's actions as being what is in the best interest of Ishukone (and therefore the State), just as I frame Lai Dai's actions in that same light. Ishukone's economic philosophy lends it to more international involvement and a willingness to engage foreigners in Win-win (or WIN-Win, perferably WIN-win) agreements. Patriots, like KK or Lai Dai, are less interested in deals with foreigners, especially enemies, that is anything less than Win-draw.*
*I argue the Patriot investment in the Kingdom had more to do with weakening the Empire than strengthening the Kingdom.
I think he meant trade the shipping and security rights to Intaki back to the Federation in exchange for autonomy over Caldari Prime. The Federation wants their authority back in Intaki, and never were comfortable about Ishukone's deal. The FedNav fleet was turned away rather rudely by the Intaki Assembly, and I doubt they have forgotten that snub.
The other way to spin the release of the Insorum-cure is to create a larger market for TCMCs in the Empire & Kingdom. Thus the Insorum-cure has nothing to do with amends for past sins and everything to do continuing those past sins for the betterment of the Ishukone Corporation. :twisted:Yes, the original reasoning for that project would be probably that. I was merely referring to giving the stuff away for free; this was, admittedly, not clear on the post.
The other way to spin the release of the Insorum-cure is to create a larger market for TCMCs in the Empire & Kingdom. Thus the Insorum-cure has nothing to do with amends for past sins and everything to do continuing those past sins for the betterment of the Ishukone Corporation. :twisted:Yes, the original reasoning for that project would be probably that. I was merely referring to giving the stuff away for free; this was, admittedly, not clear on the post.
I think he meant trade the shipping and security rights to Intaki back to the Federation in exchange for autonomy over Caldari Prime. The Federation wants their authority back in Intaki, and never were comfortable about Ishukone's deal. The FedNav fleet was turned away rather rudely by the Intaki Assembly, and I doubt they have forgotten that snub.