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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Avio Yaken on 02 Jun 2013, 20:00
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so i been thinking of some kind of event Foley could hold, but when i think about it- Foley is a fearless, killing machine that likes making stuff go boom
so i thought
"Why not host a blood sport?"
the concept of it would be [throw 1-4 capsuleers (or dusters) in a pit on there own will (not forced) and have them kill one another with mostly firearms (toss a mace or something in) kinda a unreal tournament kinda thing] it doesn't have to be a tv show, just a underground event
but is it legal? that is the question
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Disclaimer: I'm not super familiar with DUST PF.
That being said, for Dusties, I don't see why it wouldn't be, at least in some places. If nothing else, outside the Empires, most things are legal because there are very few laws. Given the tech Dusties seem to have access to, it would in fact surprise me if they didn't have something like this. In some parts of the cluster (Delve comes to mind) bloodsports are probably held with slaves already.
It's a little different for podders, because the cloning tech involved is a bit different. Outside the pod, the only cloning tech they have access to is the (sometimes controversial) soft clone, which is not nearly as useful as a Duster style clone. So probably not, for them.
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Disclaimer: I'm not super familiar with DUST PF.
That being said, for Dusties, I don't see why it wouldn't be, at least in some places. If nothing else, outside the Empires, most things are legal because there are very few laws. Given the tech Dusties seem to have access to, it would in fact surprise me if they didn't have something like this. In some parts of the cluster (Delve comes to mind) bloodsports are probably held with slaves already.
It's a little different for podders, because the cloning tech involved is a bit different. Outside the pod, the only cloning tech they have access to is the (sometimes controversial) soft clone, which is not nearly as useful as a Duster style clone. So probably not, for them.
How about if it wasn't a fight in reality?
VR simulations? those exist yes? we could put the contestants in VR to fight it out
i want capsuleers because they dont entirely know firearm combat- but with dusters.........too simple (plus contestants would be scarce)
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I imagine that they probably have all kinds of VR stuff. Also, you might check out Splinterz and Mindclash on the wiki, once CCP gets the site back up. Those are examples of some head to head type sports that are officially in the world.
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so i been thinking of some kind of event Foley could hold, but when i think about it- Foley is a fearless, killing machine that likes making stuff go boom
so i thought
"Why not host a blood sport?"
the concept of it would be [throw 1-4 capsuleers (or dusters) in a pit on there own will (not forced) and have them kill one another with mostly firearms (toss a mace or something in) kinda a unreal tournament kinda thing] it doesn't have to be a tv show, just a underground event
but is it legal? that is the question
This a hundred times.
Fuck legality, we'll do it un-policed, a private channel event. I'll convince Shakor to Elderdoken Yulai again If I have to to get this.
I. Want. This.
Aya is in. So, so in.
Lets do this!! :bash:
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Blood sports are always popular and legality isnt an issue once you shed Empire space.
Now a Gladiatorial type contest featuring Dusters I would pay to see. No VR, real blood and bone.
If you decide to do something like this and need or don’t already have a sponsor let me know, I would be happy to help.
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Blood sports are always popular and legality isnt an issue once you shed Empire space.
Now a Gladiatorial type contest featuring Dusters I would pay to see. No VR, real blood and bone.
If you decide to do something like this and need or don’t already have a sponsor let me know, I would be happy to help.
the problem with duster only contestants is the fact of how scarce they are in the RP community, hell im probably the only duster on the summit that doesn't have a EVE account, nor played it
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Sporting events, even bloody ones, are a Caldari past-time. Even if Katrina won't compete, she will certainly attend and enjoy the gore and death.
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Do a mix, Dusters (out of suit) and Caps?
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forgot to add this
The purpose of wanting a blood sport with mainly capsuleers is a test to see if a capsuleer can fight just as good as a duster
Foley kinda has this thought that capsuleers are "frail,week and wouldn't last a second in his boots" so by hosting a capsuleer blood sport that resolves around common duster warfare to see if theres a capsuleers that can handle it
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(http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/2048/2513.jpg)
There are many missions where you can find these deadspace blood sport arenas.
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(http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/2048/2513.jpg)
There are many missions where you can find these deadspace blood sport arenas.
Scale images!
[img width=640]http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/2048/2513.jpg[/img]
Never noticed that.
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(http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/2048/2513.jpg)
There are many missions where you can find these deadspace blood sport arenas.
oh boy i can see it now
[Foley Jones ] Hello ladies and gentlemen im Foley Jones here with Bishop Narsaw, tonight we got a special event tonight, Bishop tell em what we got planned
[Bishop Narsaw] Well Foley we will be pitting 4 capsuleers in Soma tanks armed with blasters & various repair modules, and we are going to see, who's tank is left standing
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Wasn't there a party held within the last year that featured a live arena?
But yes, this sounds like great fun.
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Blood sports are always popular and legality isnt an issue once you shed Empire space.
Now a Gladiatorial type contest featuring Dusters I would pay to see. No VR, real blood and bone.
If you decide to do something like this and need or don’t already have a sponsor let me know, I would be happy to help.
sponsors? never thought about sponsors.......yeah! i could use a sponsor :]
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btw i wanna know if anybody is ok if i developed a combat system for fairness so we dont have guy go like
/emote as soon as the buzzer goes off i pull my gun out with a motion of flowing water & pop my opponents head in the blink of a eye
im thinking of having a dice system were one person gets 1-3 & the other gets 4-6 to determin who lands a blow
and also!
There will be hit points & four types of rolls
Minor
Normal
Major
Fatal
minor,normal & major will be randomly selected should a roll comence while Fatal only shows up if the target has 0 hit points, so if your at 0 your still in it till someone lands a fatal on you
once i get this started il post all the details on the combat system a new thread
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That system means that every fight has a fifty-fifty chance.
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btw i wanna know if anybody is ok if i developed a combat system for fairness so we dont have guy go like
/emote as soon as the buzzer goes off i pull my gun out with a motion of flowing water & pop my opponents head in the blink of a eye
im thinking of having a dice system were one person gets 1-3 & the other gets 4-6 to determin who lands a blow
and also!
There will be hit points & four types of rolls
Minor
Normal
Major
Fatal
minor,normal & major will be randomly selected should a roll comence while Fatal only shows up if the target has 0 hit points, so if your at 0 your still in it till someone lands a fatal on you
once i get this started il post all the details on the combat system a new thread
That system means that every fight has a fifty-fifty chance.
I would hope that the competitors/fighters would be mature enough to RP fairly
If we did have a system in place, perhaps the fighters are in a moderated channel and the moves are broadcast to the 'viewers' in a separate channel? It sounds overly complicated but if competitive fairness is the key...
I hope it goes down either way, even if it is staged/OOC'd before it gets put into a public chat it would still be crazy awesome.
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1) my limited exposure to Foley Jones makes me think he's the right guy for this sort of spectacle and I approve.
2) avoiding metagame and godmodding is essential. If you can find a truly random way to determine the victor and both parties agree to it... that will be win. Personally I have settled life and death RP by third party coin toss before and it's been great! *Sorry Eran...I really wanted you to live*
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I would hope that the competitors/fighters would be mature enough to RP fairly
What does that even mean?
I hope it goes down either way, even if it is staged/OOC'd before it gets put into a public chat it would still be crazy awesome.
Right. The Pieter and Ava fight was interesting even if it was choreographed.
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Still needs to happen, somehow...
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I would hope that the competitors/fighters would be mature enough to RP fairly
What does that even mean?
Well, Diana and Raxip is a good example, they RP'd but didn't godmod. Turned it into a text game of sorts. A moderator/DM/Gamemaster may be the solution here but I still have faith in maturity.
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When you say 'fairness' in regards to RP, do you mean 'attempting to create a mutually satisfying experience?'
Actually, this is a good question for another thread.
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Also my understanding of the Ava/Pieter jellofight was that the only scripted part was the end. Both participants "fought" via emotes until the agreed upon time. I will also state that one the most fun RP events I've had was when my Minmatar and Ava disagreed on corporate policy and settled the difference by fistfight. No godmodding, no bullshit. We both had a great time and I'm happy to admit My Brutor lost.
There are characters out there who will fight and lose if appropriate.
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I have to imagine some of you old-school RPers have links to premade physical combat systems involving dice rolls. Hell you could just have your guys roll DnD stats or something similar and run fights that way...
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We could do tryouts. In a separate channel, little play-fights to see any problem areas to correct before the big event. Two people fight it out and if someone does something unfair the lurkers (other fighters waiting their turn, vips, mods etc) can chime in and say "Hey aya that last move was a little godmoddy"
we can do this right, people are smart.
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It seems a bit nitpicky but I'm willing to fight. lets do it!
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We could do tryouts. In a separate channel, little play-fights to see any problem areas to correct before the big event. Two people fight it out and if someone does something unfair the lurkers (other fighters waiting their turn, vips, mods etc) can chime in and say "Hey aya that last move was a little godmoddy"
we can do this right, people are smart.
Totally agree with this!
It is quite hard to prevent yourself from slipping to godmodding, especially when Im in a hurry or too eager to get result, and if someone can grab my hand and stop me in time, that would be just great!
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have all my slaves, let's make something meaningful.
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When people suggest enforcing 50/50 dice systems for dictating fights between characters who are not intrinsically balanced fighters, with absolutely no regard for the flesh of the combatant's posts, I want to seriously self-gouge.
So in short; go for it, but keep it to channels that you own where I can opt out of participation.
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(http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/2048/2513.jpg)
There are many missions where you can find these deadspace blood sport arenas.
Scale images!
[img width=640]http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/2048/2513.jpg[/img]
Never noticed that.
Bloodsport Arena
Item description: To escape the jurisdiction of those who would curb their entertainments, full-contact fight promoters and unlicensed, duel-to-the-death Clash Masters have taken to setting up these deep-space arenas for their brutal games to take place in. A hive of scum and villainy -- or, alternatively, a wonderland of sport and blood-stained jollity.
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I love the idea of bloodsports among dusters - reminds me of The Artificial Kid, by Bruce Sterling. I honestly don't see any reason why capsuleers would participate in something like that, though. Capsuleers have heinously modified their bodies in order to become the living embodiment of spaceships - some of us fly around in things that mass about as Manhattan. We're also, as a rule, fabulously wealthy. The combination doesn't really seem to provide a good reason to have a pool of capsuleer combatants ready to engage in this sort of combat out of the pod.
At the same time, I have to admit, I'd love to see something around Mindclash...
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I love the idea of bloodsports among dusters - reminds me of The Artificial Kid, by Bruce Sterling. I honestly don't see any reason why capsuleers would participate in something like that, though. Capsuleers have heinously modified their bodies in order to become the living embodiment of spaceships - some of us fly around in things that mass about as Manhattan. We're also, as a rule, fabulously wealthy. The combination doesn't really seem to provide a good reason to have a pool of capsuleer combatants ready to engage in this sort of combat out of the pod.
At the same time, I have to admit, I'd love to see something around Mindclash...
I think the capsuleers would approach this more from a 'horse racing' point of view; buying stocks of fighters, paying for the best implants and training, and being aloof as their 'horses' race each other. Maybe trading, betting, and viewing. Roman Gladiator owners basically.
There is room for some cool capsuleer characters here.
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Oh, I am so on board with that! I bid 300 quatloos for Foley!
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I love the idea of bloodsports among dusters...
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I love the idea of bloodsports among dusters - reminds me of The Artificial Kid, by Bruce Sterling. I honestly don't see any reason why capsuleers would participate in something like that, though. Capsuleers have heinously modified their bodies in order to become the living embodiment of spaceships - some of us fly around in things that mass about as Manhattan. We're also, as a rule, fabulously wealthy. The combination doesn't really seem to provide a good reason to have a pool of capsuleer combatants ready to engage in this sort of combat out of the pod.
At the same time, I have to admit, I'd love to see something around Mindclash...
I think the capsuleers would approach this more from a 'horse racing' point of view; buying stocks of fighters, paying for the best implants and training, and being aloof as their 'horses' race each other. Maybe trading, betting, and viewing. Roman Gladiator owners basically.
There is room for some cool capsuleer characters here.
like i keep saying
dusters are pretty scarce on the summit
However i could make the contestants NPCs (with PC contestants) and make it a more "social gathering"
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As far as my opinion goes for chance-based victory, it should be secondary to OOC discussion and considerations.
If Della (or most capsuleers for that matter) wound up in the ring against a duster who makes a habit of shanking people in heavy dropsuits, my focus will be on making the telling entertaining because I don't stand a chance.
Between more equal combatants one could invoke the coin flip, either beforehand or whenever they reach an impasse, if they don't work things out at the start.
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Perhaps it would make sense to have the Capsuleer matches be to first blood/KO or something other than death. Seems no reason that every type of match ends in death, maybe save that for the high-roller side of the arena with Dust vs Dust contestants. For instance Souch would attend any of these if he was in the right mood, he would even perhaps test his ancestral style against someone. But he would never agree to a deathmatch outside of the pod.
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Another idea would be to have a club or similar centered around the blood sports. Taht way, you could have matches whenever, but if people wanted to gather there socially when there isn't a player match, they could do that and there can be NPCs - slaves, paid gladiators, whatever - fighting in the background.
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not sure if anyone else has said this, but yeah....
I believe that, (dependant on location) given that all participants are willing, bloodsports are legal.
DUST troopers do such things for fun, and the Orbital bombardment competition that was publicised by CCP seems to point to the fact that it's kinda normal.
as for Capsuleers....
Alliance Tournament.
New Eden Open.
That is all.
-Rok
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there was a bunch of old news stories about escaped gladiators in the Empire, a long time ago.