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Title: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 14 Nov 2012, 13:17
We will do this after the winter update so we can use shiny new cruisers! Yay!

2v2 Cruiser Tournament. Tier 1 new cruisers!

No big spectacles, we will run 'ladder' style, so you'll know who your opponents are for each fight ahead of time, and have about a week to get your matches in, rinse wash, repeat.

So say team 'We come for our People' has 3 other teams in their group, they'll have a week or two to fight each other team per the rules we set up on their own schedule.  Different points for different outcomes, and top point teams advancing to next rounds.

+ Premade and dedicated teams / partners, so you know who your partner is and who your enemy is before you fight. 

+ Shiny new cruisers to play with, and lots of new fitting strategies for old ships. Lots of possibilities.

+Money. Did I say money?  Participants will have an entry fee, goes into a pool. Winners will get paid out % from that fee pool. 
The more that participate, the more you can win.

+No restrictions on teams per group.  So we can have 3 teams from PIE and 2 teams from True Slave Foundations, etc.  We will make all efforts to ensure teams from same organizations do not face each other until absolutely necessary.  Blatant throwing of matches and you are out, no debate.

Anyway we'll toss this up on IGS soon, think about who you want to fly with! 

ALSO I will be asking for 'neutral' referee volunteers to observe fights.  No drama, no shittery required.



Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Lithium Flower on 14 Nov 2012, 13:43
+Money. Did I say money?  Participants will have an entry fee, goes into a pool. Winners will get paid out % from that fee pool. 
The more that participate, the more you can win.
Can space poors join?  :D
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 14 Nov 2012, 13:45
We'll make this affordable, probably 50-100m to join, probably about what the ships will cost to buy and fit.  Anyone who is that short on isk I will be happy to front.
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 14 Nov 2012, 13:46
If we make it too low, the prize pool will be miniscule and not attract participants, if we make it too high we cut out a lot of potential participants.  Something in the range of 50+ seems about right to me.
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Lithium Flower on 14 Nov 2012, 13:57
fitted crusiers are about 30-40m  :P
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 15 Nov 2012, 03:56
Bah, too bad you're a terrible heretic and that we don't endorse "duelling"  :(
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 15 Nov 2012, 14:20
Bah, too bad you're a terrible heretic and that we don't endorse "duelling"  :(

I don't see any reason why PIE would not relish an opportunity to showcase the superiority of Amarr ships and tactics?

If you need an RP bone to join let me know and let's get you all involved.

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 16 Nov 2012, 14:31
Now with IGS thread goodness:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2188593&#post2188593

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 16 Nov 2012, 14:41
Already posted with a way to break your contest >.>
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 16 Nov 2012, 22:03
Already posted with a way to break your contest >.>

Not at all! I've participated in these exact events before, and it hasn't really been an issue.   This is for fun so anyone we suspect of intentionally shitting on the event is kicked, end of story.   This isn't alliance tournament with billions in prizes so there's not enough on the line to make people be particularly nasty, and like I said we just won't put up with that kind of thing anyway.

Teams signing up will be expected to have an open day or two during the week or weekend, and will register with those availabilities. 

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Merdaneth on 18 Nov 2012, 12:18
Do you have a somewhat more RP-flavored sauce to go with this?

I mean, why would those who are aligned against you RP-wise would want to enter this 'competition'?

Gladiators violentia sounds a bit barbaric and would suggest that only people who like bloodsport should participate.

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 19 Nov 2012, 09:05
Do you have a somewhat more RP-flavored sauce to go with this?

I mean, why would those who are aligned against you RP-wise would want to enter this 'competition'?

Gladiators violentia sounds a bit barbaric and would suggest that only people who like bloodsport should participate.

I would be happy to try and figure out something to get some of you prim and proper types to join (especially you, Merdaneth!) I think I had a 'decent' trope with the 'civilians in danger' last time but don't want to recycle.

Non-RPers will also likely be participating.
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Merdaneth on 19 Nov 2012, 17:04
Do you have a somewhat more RP-flavored sauce to go with this?

I mean, why would those who are aligned against you RP-wise would want to enter this 'competition'?

Gladiators violentia sounds a bit barbaric and would suggest that only people who like bloodsport should participate.

I would be happy to try and figure out something to get some of you prim and proper types to join (especially you, Merdaneth!) I think I had a 'decent' trope with the 'civilians in danger' last time but don't want to recycle.

Non-RPers will also likely be participating.

There is precedent in Amarr loyalist tradition for tournament style duels being used to decide disputes. However, we do need a proper dispute/matter that needs to be decided for it. I don't think PIE will join since they have a general rule against duels (although broken by Rodj in the past by duelling with Evanda: bad Rodj!), don't know about the other prim'n'propers.

They are toning down the ancillary boosters, right? Hope we can avoid ancillary booster mirror matches....

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 19 Nov 2012, 17:07
Must... change... rules!
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 20 Nov 2012, 09:16
Well I want you all involved, so let's make it happen!

ASB's are getting a big nerf but they will still be viable. Not OMFG winsauce but probably competitive with other modules.

What rules, Aldrith?

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 20 Nov 2012, 09:27
The rules he has to abide to unless he wants to be fast tracked to writing an application to another corp maybe?  :D
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 20 Nov 2012, 09:50
What if we invited some loyalists to serve as referees and to ensure everything is on the up and up?

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 20 Nov 2012, 10:19
The ones in PIE that keep me from kicking everyone's ass. :(
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 20 Nov 2012, 10:49
The ones in PIE that keep me from kicking everyone's ass. :(

Who say's we can't come around and pee in some heretics cornflakes? :D
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 20 Nov 2012, 10:51
True Amarr winning would make a happy Silas, so yes please.

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Esna Pitoojee on 20 Nov 2012, 13:25
Facing the same issues as many other loyalists, for the reasons that:

1, there is no objective gain from winning the tournament. He is not securing the safety of any people, nor making a significant strike against the Blood Raiders. Money can be acquired through other, easier methods; glory or 'demonstrations of power' are better held, he feels, to the actual battlefield than for playing a Blooder's silly game.

2, Esna isn't keen to risk his crew for negligible gain. In the previous tournament, where there was a high chance that the 'team' would hold the field and allow his crew to escape safely (as did happen), he was eager to take part. In this, however, he's putting lives on the line for (as discussed above) little apparent gain.


So, with those two factors in play, Esna's left apparently playing with other peoples' lives for the entertainment of a Raider with no definitive chance of success, nor any real victory at the end. That's not a chance he'll take.
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 20 Nov 2012, 13:34
I'm willing to entertain all options to get you all to participate, so throw me a bone here :P

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Lyn Farel on 20 Nov 2012, 13:39
Get Amarrian highborn hostages and threaten to kill them all if all the stubborn Amarrians are still being uncooperative.  :P
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Laerise [PIE] on 20 Nov 2012, 14:35
The empire does not make deals with terrorists :p
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 20 Nov 2012, 14:51
Plenty of incentive to enter and show the heathens and turncoats how it's done properly.

That and perhaps donate all the proceeds to children and refugees of the Faction War. Good PR about building orphanages in Huola or something...

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Merdaneth on 20 Nov 2012, 15:43
Plenty of incentive to enter and show the heathens and turncoats how it's done properly.

Fights need a solid pretense. Not just a fight for the sake of a fight, which is basically what you are offering. If a loyalist would feel the need to do so, why would he not organize his own tournament rather than joining a heretic-sponsored one?

That and perhaps donate all the proceeds to children and refugees of the Faction War. Good PR about building orphanages in Huola or something...

As said, there are better ways to make isk. And gladiatorial fights tend to create a lot of orphans. I'm with Esna in this. There is little to gain, and much to lose at the moment.

You have to offer something that we cannot achieve in other ways.

Example: you will commit to fight for the 24th Crusade for a month and capture Huola if a loyalist wins and perhaps fight for the TLF if 'a terrorist' wins. That way there is both something significant to gain and to lose. Of course, such an offer has to fit into your own greater agenda. Who know, perhaps you are merely looking for a chance to recover some Blood Raider artifacts in Huola?





Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 20 Nov 2012, 16:10
It doesn't really matter in the end; a loyalist is just simply not the kind of character to jump into a gladiatorial arena run by a space pirate. I think the more 'orderly' characters are just going to have to accept that this event just isn't for them.
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 20 Nov 2012, 17:11
Well it's up to you all. I'm trying to organize a fun pvp tournament, and we're going to have a good time. I'm definitely willing to meet you all half way and come up with something you guys can use if you need an RP rationale. 

I'm sure you all can think of plenty of reasons your characters would want or need to be involved if you wanted to, but no worries if you don't.

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Milo Caman on 20 Nov 2012, 19:03
May be willing to sink some ISK into the prize pool. Really depends if my current gamble plays out as I'd like it to though.
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 20 Nov 2012, 19:35
Don't sink ISK, jump in the fight! :0

Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Milo Caman on 21 Nov 2012, 02:08
I could do both? :3
Title: Re: 2v2 T1 Cruiser Tournament *Grab Your Guns: The sequel: the shootening*
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 21 Nov 2012, 15:09
(http://i.imgur.com/Ln5uT.jpg)