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(idk what to name any thread ever so don't judge..also i never know were to put it exactly)
Hi! its me fooly jones, i came to this forum again to leave a somewhat of a goodbye message (like anybody cares really)
Now its came to realizing that the silliness i brought with Foley has finally if not already gotten old with the community
When i first did some weird shit with foley i slowly found out that yes i can be a lol factor and that you guys welcomed it but i then i slowly realized thats my only real trait with this character as i can make people laugh, so i aimed for that at all times, as its kinda a ego stroke to me, to make people laugh, i feel good when i make someone laugh at anything
so i kept at it, but then i slowly received more flak for choices i decided to make in order to make theses laughs in but i think its gotten to the point were foley is no longer funny and is rather than a complete annoyance
Thus is the the fact that foley is seen as a push over, for the sake of seriousness i wanted him to come off as a crazed individual to explain why he does theses silly things, i wanted to put somewhat fear into other's hearts but i never could play the guy like i pictured, i dont know if it was due to my lack of skill in that persona or a bad crowd,
A lot suggested i should change how foley acts, but its to late and nobody would give him a chance, so why bother? at the moment hes such a push over i have to get out of conversations as i receive flak for opening my mouth, so i can never truly show a change in character, so my character cannot change, also because there would be no reasoning behidn it, the deranged psycho all of a sudden becoming sane?
But what im saying is that it seems no one is longer having fun with this character that does not involve being just a punching bag for people "Higher on the social ladder" and it seems that i come off more as a troll then a actual role player, this is not what i wish, so i believe my time is done in the role play community, as i don't wish to troll anyone thus annoying them OOCly and ICly
So Fly safe suppose friends o/ may we meet again
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Now that you have admitted a problem, you can begin fixing it. Start by removing his humor and boisterous personality completely. Make him quiet, brokding, and snarky. He is friends with nobody, and takes zero shit. He is the man with no name (Clint Eastwood). Just play him cool calm and collected.
Of course, if you'd rather just quit, you can, but my advice is to just have Foley grow up a little and stop being a clown. People like Anslo will probably tell you to never change, full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. It seems like you don't enjoy the reactions to it, so that would be poor advice.
Either way, you have to make a choice of who you want Foley to be.
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Now that you have admitted a problem, you can begin fixing it. Start by removing his humor and boisterous personality completely. Make him quiet, brokding, and snarky. He is friends with nobody, and takes zero shit. He is the man with no name (Clint Eastwood). Just play him cool calm and collected.
Of course, if you'd rather just quit, you can, but my advice is to just have Foley grow up a little and stop being a clown. People like Anslo will probably tell you to never change, full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. It seems like you don't enjoy the reactions to it, so that would be poor advice.
Either way, you have to make a choice of who you want Foley to be.
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i don't want to quit just its not going anywhere anymore
but like i said, im not given a chance anymore to change a personality as impressions have been placed, il be told to shut the hell up simply for asking a question IC from most of the community, and thus nobody would believe a dif foley and continue to keep him out of most events
im basicly stuck
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You basically trolled yourself out of a community that pretty much runs on personal opinion, good job I guess. Can't say I personally ever found Foley to be a funny character, was more like someone breaking through a wall in a church and blasting turbofolk at high volume until they got bored, but I'm sure you had your fans.
Thank you for realizing that things weren't going anywhere though. Perhaps if you roll another character and try something different you may get the response you want.
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You basically trolled yourself out of a community that pretty much runs on personal opinion, good job I guess. Can't say I personally ever found Foley to be a funny character, was more like someone breaking through a wall in a church and blasting turbofolk at high volume until they got bored, but I'm sure you had your fans.
Thank you for realizing that things weren't going anywhere though. Perhaps if you roll another character and try something different you may get the response you want.
You make it sound like im blaming the community for why foley failed
No im aware this ia my fault and such, I just thought it was working out and I didn't stop and breathe
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You make it sound like im blaming the community for why foley failed
No im aware this ia my fault and such, I just thought it was working out and I didn't stop and breathe
I actually think it was a bit of both; people encouraging you to continue on the path that you had started on until your position became unsalvageable, and the fact that you couldn't see what was going on around you as you did so. No matter how it panned out it's a shame that you find yourself in a position where you can't realistically make amends, but c'est la vie.
Not all characters work out. As long as you've learnt what you did wrong then it's op success as far as I'm concerned.
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And i Just realised this thread would be better off in the character devlopment section....can never tell were a thread should go
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Did you know?: Every time a capsuleer is podded, minor personality/memory/mental changes take place.
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Did you know?: Every time a capsuleer is podded, minor personality/memory/mental changes take place.
So what you're suggesting is that we pod him back into the Iron Age?
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Did you know?: Every time a capsuleer is podded, minor personality/memory/mental changes take place.
Whats to say that works for Dusters? The implant we have works different compared to cappies
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Accidents happen. Mass amounts of data transfer are underway. Interference/abnormalities can occur.
Ponder perhaps, that this has already happened.
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I've made a lot of changes with Jurou over time Foley, and I found the biggest change in my character came from supporting my roleplay with what I actually do in game.
It allows you to build a character with some sort of foundation, as if you just charge in with an idea for a character and can't back it up in game, it will eventually fall apart, no matter the personality type you're going for.
If you're looking to change Foley rather than a reroll, just go back to the shadow a while, play the game, and eventually identify what it is you're doing in game and how you can apply it to your roleplay.
Worked for me.
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Something you will find if you play in the EVE universe long enough is that longevity in EVE (and presumably dust) is a pretty good whitewash of hostile opinion.
If you want to change his character, keep a low profile for a month or six, and follow Kats advice about having him grow up a bit. Doesn't have to be the snarky route, though. Many other ways to have a character grow up.
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When I first began RP'ing Pieter told me to play the long game with character development.
Maybe the same advice can help you.
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Now that you have admitted a problem, you can begin fixing it. Start by removing his humor and boisterous personality completely. Make him quiet, brokding, and snarky. He is friends with nobody, and takes zero shit. He is the man with no name (Clint Eastwood). Just play him cool calm and collected.
Of course, if you'd rather just quit, you can, but my advice is to just have Foley grow up a little and stop being a clown. People like Anslo will probably tell you to never change, full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. It seems like you don't enjoy the reactions to it, so that would be poor advice.
Either way, you have to make a choice of who you want Foley to be.
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i don't want to quit just its not going anywhere anymore
but like i said, im not given a chance anymore to change a personality as impressions have been placed, il be told to shut the hell up simply for asking a question IC from most of the community, and thus nobody would believe a dif foley and continue to keep him out of most events
im basicly stuck
Welcome in our magnificent echo chamber society.
Don't worry, you are not the only one, and will not be the last one. Be it IC or OOC, it's the same. Which kindof proves that IC ingame interactions can also be perfectly realistic and in accordance to the real world !
On a less sarcastic note, I only remember Foley in his first days. I found the character pretty good. He had wit and was slightly messed up as a character yeah. It worked fine. Not sure what happened next. Maybe as you say you pushed it too far ? Too much crazy will eventually kill it. That's eventually what happens when facing the same people day after day and proving to be a bit... taxing for everyone ICly.
Although yeah, echo chambers too. You have to take in account that playing a character that is either marginal, disturbed, weird, or different, will have to deal a lot with the first rule of IRL and ingame communities : popularity.
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Now that I'm home it is a lot easier to type.
I don't think you need to quit at all. Yes, Foley has become unpopular because he's always been portrayed as immature and unstable. Everything about his personality made him come off as an adolescent. Possibly because you are (not necessarily a bad thing) or were a teenager when you started playing. Nonetheless, he had many character traits that together made him come off as a kid with a gun.
- His gullibility, and vulnerability to being manipulated and/or tricked.
- His emphasized complete lack of experience with members of the opposite sex (or same sex).
- His overemphasis on everything awesome: guns, explosions, destruction, etc
- His lack of accountability and/or responsibility.
- His refusal to heed advice given until he's already passed the point of being helped.
These are some of the common traits attributed to male teenagers. Things many of us can relate to OOC in recent memory and say, "Yeah he's a kid!". At least, I can. A lot of things Foley does seemed funny or cool back in those days, but are tired jokes that I've personally grown out of. A lot of characters probably feel the same way, seeing Foley as very much their inferior because he comes off as a teenager with a rifle.
The fictional-reality here is that Foley represents something incredible and tragic. He is an immortal soldier that has seen and caused more death and destruction than anything you as a player can possibly comprehend. He's experienced extreme emotions on a scale that you and I can't relate to. He's literally died. He's lost limb, parts of his face, entire sections of his body just before dying. He's laid there bleeding out on the ground for hours before finally succumbing to death. He's been through horrifying experiences, and he remembers all of it.
I think a lot of DUST roleplayers get this part wrong, because you're approaching the character from the perspective of a Call of Duty player, not as a war veteran. You're completely missing/skipping the ugly psychological effects of war. You're not alone in this, as I have yet to see a DUST roleplayer that convincingly portrays somebody who's experienced that life. DUST soldiers are likely be certifiably and irrevocably traumatized and/or psychotic, but not in the way you seem to think. It's not cool or funny. It's horrible.
So, if you want to salvage Foley, I think you need to seriously consider removing his humor and playfulness. Somebody like him isn't likely to be concerned with whether Diana Kim gives him a smooch. He's more likely to be suffering constant nightmares, severely alcoholic, prone to emotional outbursts or antisocial tendencies, or other not-fun personality flaws. Foley doesn't need an audience to laugh at his jokes. Foley needs a therapist.
That's the reality of an immortal soldier.
EDIT: I should also point out that you don't want to drift too far in the "war is hell, pay attention to me" direction. I don't want to generalize, but most vets I've been friends with are not eager to talk about the shit they've seen. It's more likely that Foley ought to be a quiet and reserved personality more likely to form friendships with people he served with than random capsuleers. Katrina hasn't experienced what he has. Why should he respect her?
"She's just sitting in some pretty office all day giving orders to the knuckledraggers like me to do the REAL work! Stitcher? Pffft, just some egger trying to run his big jaw, he doesn't actually do any fighting like I do!"
Foley could stand to be more dismissive and condescending to capsuleers, because he's been through enough hell to earn his damn respect. Those who won't respect him anyways?... well they're just not worth his damn attention! At least, that's his point of view.
Go watch some more war movies. Pay close attention to the way the soldiers are when they come home, and how they are with each other in the field.
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I like Foley, but I guess I've just found the crazy too overwhelming! It's become harder and harder to relate to him as his life story drifts further from the human experience. Kat makes excellent points above! I'm sure that the things you like about him can be saved or repaired, so that you still enjoy him, while at the same time making him more included in the community as a whole.
I'd be happy to provide Scherezad's brain expertises if you want to explain away drastic changes in personality, either ICly if you want special implants or modifications, or OOCly to explain how those changes might happen due to frequent cloning.
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Now that I'm home it is a lot easier to type.
I don't think you need to quit at all. Yes, Foley has become unpopular because he's always been portrayed as immature and unstable. Everything about his personality made him come off as an adolescent. Possibly because you are (not necessarily a bad thing) or were a teenager when you started playing. Nonetheless, he had many character traits that together made him come off as a kid with a gun.
- His gullibility, and vulnerability to being manipulated and/or tricked.
- His emphasized complete lack of experience with members of the opposite sex (or same sex).
- His overemphasis on everything awesome: guns, explosions, destruction, etc
- His lack of accountability and/or responsibility.
- His refusal to heed advice given until he's already passed the point of being helped.
These are some of the common traits attributed to male teenagers. Things many of us can relate to OOC in recent memory and say, "Yeah he's a kid!". At least, I can. A lot of things Foley does seemed funny or cool back in those days, but are tired jokes that I've personally grown out of. A lot of characters probably feel the same way, seeing Foley as very much their inferior because he comes off as a teenager with a rifle.
The fictional-reality here is that Foley represents something incredible and tragic. He is an immortal soldier that has seen and caused more death and destruction than anything you as a player can possibly comprehend. He's experienced extreme emotions on a scale that you and I can't relate to. He's literally died. He's lost limb, parts of his face, entire sections of his body just before dying. He's laid there bleeding out on the ground for hours before finally succumbing to death. He's been through horrifying experiences, and he remembers all of it.
I think a lot of DUST roleplayers get this part wrong, because you're approaching the character from the perspective of a Call of Duty player, not as a war veteran. You're completely missing/skipping the ugly psychological effects of war. You're not alone in this, as I have yet to see a DUST roleplayer that convincingly portrays somebody who's experienced that life. DUST soldiers are likely be certifiably and irrevocably traumatized and/or psychotic, but not in the way you seem to think. It's not cool or funny. It's horrible.
So, if you want to salvage Foley, I think you need to seriously consider removing his humor and playfulness. Somebody like him isn't likely to be concerned with whether Diana Kim gives him a smooch. He's more likely to be suffering constant nightmares, severely alcoholic, prone to emotional outbursts or antisocial tendencies, or other not-fun personality flaws. Foley doesn't need an audience to laugh at his jokes. Foley needs a therapist.
That's the reality of an immortal soldier.
EDIT: I should also point out that you don't want to drift too far in the "war is hell, pay attention to me" direction. I don't want to generalize, but most vets I've been friends with are not eager to talk about the shit they've seen. It's more likely that Foley ought to be a quiet and reserved personality more likely to form friendships with people he served with than random capsuleers. Katrina hasn't experienced what he has. Why should he respect her?
"She's just sitting in some pretty office all day giving orders to the knuckledraggers like me to do the REAL work! Stitcher? Pffft, just some egger trying to run his big jaw, he doesn't actually do any fighting like I do!"
Foley could stand to be more dismissive and condescending to capsuleers, because he's been through enough hell to earn his damn respect. Those who won't respect him anyways?... well they're just not worth his damn attention! At least, that's his point of view.
Go watch some more war movies. Pay close attention to the way the soldiers are when they come home, and how they are with each other in the field.
While I understand and kinda agree with your point, isn't it a bit the same with podders ? The way they die may be a bit less gruesome, but tbh living and dying in that wetgrave might be a real source of trauma. Said that way, everybody might be doing it wrong by playing the lol immortal gods that are so edgy that they don't give two shits and laugh everytime it is mentioned.
Capsuleer dementia and all that. Why would it be different for Dust dementia ? Or if so, is everybody doing it wrong ? Couldn't tell myself tbh.
Also, another thing when you say "I think you need to seriously consider removing his humor and playfulness. Somebody like him isn't likely to be concerned with whether Diana Kim gives him a smooch. He's more likely to be suffering constant nightmares, severely alcoholic, prone to emotional outbursts or antisocial tendencies, or other not-fun personality flaws. Foley doesn't need an audience to laugh at his jokes. Foley needs a therapist.", well, if the community hasn't changed a bit, especially on the summit that I remember Foley spent time on, that advice is to me the best way for the character to be irremediably ostracized. Try to play someone like that and see how far you go... :/
Which is a shame, really. :JCDenton.gif:
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Yeah. The community isn't likely to accept what I think a DUSTer would really be like. More than that, it wouldn't be very fun to play somebody so severely off his rocker. Meh.
People are "expected" to show due respect and admiration to certain big names in the community - and the type of guy I think Foley should be is more likely to (for example) quickly tell Morwen "why don't you undock and play hide and go fuck yourself" IC after giving him snark. That's a bad choice OOC, obviously.
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ok so i red everyone post over a few times over
im now going back to my old work and seeing the decline, i notice my writing has been off now and i kinda lost my zing with ti, if you guys are certain can i salvage this fi i jsut took a break then i will attempt this and try to re configure personality and achieve the balance that i ahd once i started as i notice i had one and it became extremely lop sided, maybe i got carried away with my ego and thought that i can wing it and it would come out good..i mean im honestly completely embarrassed of my recent work and i want to get that zing back, but also come in with a new aura of sorts
il take a long break form role play adn see what went wrong and re address thsi all
so..thanks guys :l
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Now that I'm home it is a lot easier to type.
I don't think you need to quit at all. Yes, Foley has become unpopular because he's always been portrayed as immature and unstable. Everything about his personality made him come off as an adolescent. Possibly because you are (not necessarily a bad thing) or were a teenager when you started playing. Nonetheless, he had many character traits that together made him come off as a kid with a gun.
- His gullibility, and vulnerability to being manipulated and/or tricked.
- His emphasized complete lack of experience with members of the opposite sex (or same sex).
- His overemphasis on everything awesome: guns, explosions, destruction, etc
- His lack of accountability and/or responsibility.
- His refusal to heed advice given until he's already passed the point of being helped.
These are some of the common traits attributed to male teenagers. Things many of us can relate to OOC in recent memory and say, "Yeah he's a kid!". At least, I can. A lot of things Foley does seemed funny or cool back in those days, but are tired jokes that I've personally grown out of. A lot of characters probably feel the same way, seeing Foley as very much their inferior because he comes off as a teenager with a rifle.
The fictional-reality here is that Foley represents something incredible and tragic. He is an immortal soldier that has seen and caused more death and destruction than anything you as a player can possibly comprehend. He's experienced extreme emotions on a scale that you and I can't relate to. He's literally died. He's lost limb, parts of his face, entire sections of his body just before dying. He's laid there bleeding out on the ground for hours before finally succumbing to death. He's been through horrifying experiences, and he remembers all of it.
I think a lot of DUST roleplayers get this part wrong, because you're approaching the character from the perspective of a Call of Duty player, not as a war veteran. You're completely missing/skipping the ugly psychological effects of war. You're not alone in this, as I have yet to see a DUST roleplayer that convincingly portrays somebody who's experienced that life. DUST soldiers are likely be certifiably and irrevocably traumatized and/or psychotic, but not in the way you seem to think. It's not cool or funny. It's horrible.
So, if you want to salvage Foley, I think you need to seriously consider removing his humor and playfulness. Somebody like him isn't likely to be concerned with whether Diana Kim gives him a smooch. He's more likely to be suffering constant nightmares, severely alcoholic, prone to emotional outbursts or antisocial tendencies, or other not-fun personality flaws. Foley doesn't need an audience to laugh at his jokes. Foley needs a therapist.
That's the reality of an immortal soldier.
EDIT: I should also point out that you don't want to drift too far in the "war is hell, pay attention to me" direction. I don't want to generalize, but most vets I've been friends with are not eager to talk about the shit they've seen. It's more likely that Foley ought to be a quiet and reserved personality more likely to form friendships with people he served with than random capsuleers. Katrina hasn't experienced what he has. Why should he respect her?
"She's just sitting in some pretty office all day giving orders to the knuckledraggers like me to do the REAL work! Stitcher? Pffft, just some egger trying to run his big jaw, he doesn't actually do any fighting like I do!"
Foley could stand to be more dismissive and condescending to capsuleers, because he's been through enough hell to earn his damn respect. Those who won't respect him anyways?... well they're just not worth his damn attention! At least, that's his point of view.
Go watch some more war movies. Pay close attention to the way the soldiers are when they come home, and how they are with each other in the field.
While I understand and kinda agree with your point, isn't it a bit the same with podders ? The way they die may be a bit less gruesome, but tbh living and dying in that wetgrave might be a real source of trauma. Said that way, everybody might be doing it wrong by playing the lol immortal gods that are so edgy that they don't give two shits and laugh everytime it is mentioned.
Capsuleer dementia and all that. Why would it be different for Dust dementia ? Or if so, is everybody doing it wrong ? Couldn't tell myself tbh.
While the constant deaths, screaming, blood etc. can be quite tolling on the mind for a duster initially, keep in mind that they have to do this over and over and over and over again until the end of times. You might be mentally unstable and suffered extreme psychological trauma, but I've always thought that past a certain point, when you've just kept dying and woken up again in a new body only to die again, you just stop caring. Pain is irrelevant and barely notable, morality is just some foreign and alien concept and generally just not caring about anything at all.
I'd say that with dusters, or the older ones that have been through several generations of implants, have more cases of chronic depression and extreme apathy than just being psychotic and/or deeply traumatized. I've tried to explore this aspect with Denak.
But yes, more often than not the few dust roleplayers that are around, even less of them really think what it would be like to die a thousand times and more.
And personally, I recommend you keep on going Foley. Your and my characters may have never really gotten along that well, but I found the insanity part of Foley kind of fascinating myself.
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I'm not familiar with the character, and I know even less about Dust mercs, but there are plenty of easy-to-digest cultural references to the psychological struggles of military veterans, which you may or may not have infused into your play.
There's a sort of pattern from fear to dread to helplessness to hopelessness to apathy, as Denak stated. Along the way there may be a number of coping mechanisms.
There's the X-Files episode "Sleepless" where vets who have had their nervous systems tampered with experience a more-or-less ceaseless hell of hyperconsciousness. Katee Sackhoff as Kara Thrace on BSG, contending with the ever-present spectres of death, guilt, and desire, experiences sudden shifts in mood, fits of violence, and long periods of substance abuse. Going further back, Marlon Brando as Colonel Kurtz, who amidst the horror, has come to accept it as a natural state of being, with himself master of it.
So maybe there's a process here that this duster could still be working through.
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You can either be a punk ass bitch and quit or you can take step back, have a breather and then deal with the mess you've made. It ain't gonna be easy, but you're the only one that can do it, and until you do, no amount of new characters and alts will really change things. This shit will stick OOC even if some like to pretend it don't, but it does. That's the reality of it.
Hell, if Jurou can more or less lose his rapey stalker type reputation by re-evaluating his shit over, you too can turn this boat around. I believe in Foley Jones.
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You can either be a punk ass bitch and quit or you can take step back, have a breather and then deal with the mess you've made. It ain't gonna be easy, but you're the only one that can do it, and until you do, no amount of new characters and alts will really change things. This shit will stick OOC even if some like to pretend it don't, but it does. That's the reality of it.
Hell, if Jurou can more or less lose his rapey stalker type reputation by re-evaluating his shit over, you too can turn this boat around. I believe in Foley Jones.
In classic Finnish style, Vince delivers the finisher. ..
.. or should I say, the Finnisher.
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"The Forever War", by Joe Haldeman, is a good book, and may be helpful, since it deals with a soldier's alienation from civilisation.
even if it's not helpful in the RP sense, it's a good read, so get it from your local library.
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You can either be a punk ass bitch and quit or you can take step back, have a breather and then deal with the mess you've made. It ain't gonna be easy, but you're the only one that can do it, and until you do, no amount of new characters and alts will really change things. This shit will stick OOC even if some like to pretend it don't, but it does. That's the reality of it.
Hell, if Jurou can more or less lose his rapey stalker type reputation by re-evaluating his shit over, you too can turn this boat around. I believe in Foley Jones.
i have already declared i will try and fix this, i have hope that i may be able to make something of this, il lay low for awhile and reshape my character and come back with anew glow and everything
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Some thoughts I had while I was at work.
First - Foley, again, you've shown why people took to you when you first showed up in OOC after Dust was connected to TQ for the first time. You showed up, asked questions, got answers, and were persistent about doing this whenever you wanted to know something. You showed people you intended to be around for the long term. And here you are asking people for advice about a problem that's bothering you personally. That's the right attitude to take.
Second - Kat's second post highlights a lot of things that came to mind when I first saw the thread. The first section in particular - I was going to say that Foley, of late, has increasingly come across as the stereotypical male teenager who'll do anything, no matter how dumb it is, just to impress that girl who sits a couple desks down. There's absolutely nothing wrong with keeping in touch with one's inner child, but there's definitely such a thing as overdoing it. As such I will disagree - partially - with Kat's suggestion (as worded) to remove the humor and playfulness. Dial it back, yes. Remove it entirely, no.*
Third - you've had some suggestions in various directions of changes you might consider making. Similar to the first point, asking for help is the first step; sifting through what you get back and deciding what to keep/toss is the next. This is exactly the kind of thing this forum exists for, so there's no need to feel awkward or uncomfortable bringing it up.
*Personal thoughts on this - consider keeping the gung-ho, wiseass, active attitude, but dropping the tendency to do things that amount to self-mutilation for comedy's sake (finger-dancing with nova knives, grenades in a blender, etc - that sort of thing). Fine-tune from there as needed.
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I've created a somewhat more moderate-in-tone, even philanthropic Havohej since returning to Eve last year. If I can do that, you can turn Foley into a more serious part of New Eden's dramatis personae.
Honestly, it doesn't even seem so difficult from where I'm sitting. Just have him wake up one morning and say, "You know what... I'm tired of being the ass end of every joke. Fuck these podders and their elitism." Or something like that. And suddenly (yet gradually), people would begin to see that Foley's sense of humor and aptness to engage in inane antics has severely curtailed. These people would then be more or less forced to take a second, longer look at this Duster showing up in their channels and at their functions (and whatever else you've been doing with Foley).
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Some thoughts I had while I was at work.
First - Foley, again, you've shown why people took to you when you first showed up in OOC after Dust was connected to TQ for the first time. You showed up, asked questions, got answers, and were persistent about doing this whenever you wanted to know something. You showed people you intended to be around for the long term. And here you are asking people for advice about a problem that's bothering you personally. That's the right attitude to take.
Second - Kat's second post highlights a lot of things that came to mind when I first saw the thread. The first section in particular - I was going to say that Foley, of late, has increasingly come across as the stereotypical male teenager who'll do anything, no matter how dumb it is, just to impress that girl who sits a couple desks down. There's absolutely nothing wrong with keeping in touch with one's inner child, but there's definitely such a thing as overdoing it. As such I will disagree - partially - with Kat's suggestion (as worded) to remove the humor and playfulness. Dial it back, yes. Remove it entirely, no.*
Third - you've had some suggestions in various directions of changes you might consider making. Similar to the first point, asking for help is the first step; sifting through what you get back and deciding what to keep/toss is the next. This is exactly the kind of thing this forum exists for, so there's no need to feel awkward or uncomfortable bringing it up.
*Personal thoughts on this - consider keeping the gung-ho, wiseass, active attitude, but dropping the tendency to do things that amount to self-mutilation for comedy's sake (finger-dancing with nova knives, grenades in a blender, etc - that sort of thing). Fine-tune from there as needed.
I agree with morwen!
I would also like to add that this is inherently a multiplayer game.. Find the people you relate to ic and stick with them.. I am doing this with sani sabik and on a more personal level with my only corpmate, ic fiance, Zenariae. We do crazy shit too. Just not publicly and we always have an ingame ic reason.. Maybe Foley would like to visit us in KFIE-Z sometime?
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I can honestly relate a lot to your situation, Foley. On my first character I roleplayed very poorly and found a niche in being a dramaclown. It's good that you recognize something is amiss and I do suggest you keep at it if you're willing to change and develop your roleplay style.
In regards to personality changes and consciousness during clone-death, it is definitely the case that Dusters are every bit as vulnerable to personality and whole memory modifications during the cloning process. That is what happened to some of the first Templars and how the Other (an emergant AI entity(ies?) that came to be in the Architects' Construct) managed to get a foothold in New Eden. This is all strictly out of character knowledge of course, but the fact that such dramatic personality shifts happen and is canon gives us all significant leeway in changing the way our characters behave. I recommend you take advantage of this. Good luck!