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General Discussion => The Speakeasy: OOG/Off-topic Discussion => Topic started by: IzzyChan on 12 Jun 2010, 17:54
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http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/
You are a deer. So are the other players. You meet each other in an endless forest on the internet. The setting is idyllic, the atmosphere peaceful. You communicate with one another through sounds and body language.
It's the weirdest multiplayer game I've seen in ages. Be a deer, do deer things, find custom outfits from magical items from trees (or give them to others). Symbols are the only way to tell if you met that deer before.
If you do want to try it, go to settings before you login the first time to change to windowed mode. You'll thank me later. If you want to have your own symbol and get special deer outfits, go to network -> login after you picked your emblem and login name.
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Video to get an idea on stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4maG01_oQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4maG01_oQ
The twin gods are the two behind the game, they login and cause dev hax. I'm completely blown away by how they can change the game environment so easily.
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What the shit?
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...doubleyew tee eph.
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I have one of their things, "the Path"
It's different.
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It's not for everyone. But as a game developer, it's a shiney goldmine. xD
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I have one of their things, "the Path"
It's different.
The Path is scary. It's more of an interactive poem than a game per se. And it's disturbing as hell.
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I never understood the interest in deer hunting as a sport until I read this.
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A curious game - but it's PC only; so it can fry in hell.
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A curious game - but it's PC only; so it can fry in hell.
lolmac
Your laptop is a PC.
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A curious game - but it's PC only; so it can fry in hell.
lolmac
Your laptop is a PC.
You mean my fail laptop w/ the screwy menus that randomly shuts itself down to do system updates? Are we really going to need *another* sticky "The Official knock on Macs thread" like we have on Du'uma boards?
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Only noobs have automatic updates. Turn that shit off.
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Are we really going to need *another* sticky "The Official knock on Macs thread" like we have on Du'uma boards?
Ohgodyesplease.
*ahem.*
Yeah, I'm not usually a fan of Goons, but the somethingaweful review of this game was... quite amusing.
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Are we really going to need *another* sticky "The Official knock on Macs thread" like we have on Du'uma boards?
Ohgodyesplease.
*ahem.*
Yeah, I'm not usually a fan of Goons, but the somethingaweful review of this game was... quite amusing.
Thanks Esna
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I want to start playing, just so I can find a way to grief these furry bastards.
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I was thinking of starting a "gang of deer." All up in the graveyard owning territory and shit.
They see us herdin'...
...they hatin'.
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Yeah, I'm not usually a fan of Goons, but the somethingaweful review of this game was... quite amusing.
I love the Goons. They're incredibly creative, hilarious people. The fact that they're all a bunch of douchebags really just adds to the hilariousness, because they're not just douchebags for the sake of being douchebags, they're creative and hilarious douchebags, because it's funny.
That's always a win with me.
Also, they love Dwarf Fortress. Anyone who loves Dwarf Fortress is totally cool in my book.
Goons 4tw.
((None of this is insults, it is praise, please do not snip :P ))
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What the fucking fuck, Izzy pulled another one out of some kind of digital sewer and it might be shiney.
Also, Izzy, you're a furry.
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They see us herdin'...
...they hatin'.
I snorted all over my nice, freshly-cleaned keyboard when I read this.
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Anyone feel like linking that SA Review of the game? :)
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Here ya go. (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/mmo-roulette/endlessforest.php)
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/me blinks.
You know, I fuckin' hate the Goons. They've ruined several roleplaying servers in various games I've played over the years through harassment, griefing and so on and so forth. In Eve... well, I still hate them, but that's bleed-through hate from those other MMOs. In Eve they can't really grief or harass, since it's all valid and intended gameplay, since this game isn't divided into RP and other realms.
In this, though? I... for the first time in my life... loved them.
Wonderful and accurate review.
Now, I'm going to go apply a drill to the temple to get rid of the horror of that so called 'game'.
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I love the Goons. They're creative, they're hilarious, they're douchebags, but they're creative and funny douchebags, so it's ok in my book.
Also, they can only "ruin" a server if people let them. They're pretty easy to ignore, and like any people trying to grief someone, if you ignore them, they really do go away; or at the very least go after more interesting targets.
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I love the Goons. They're creative, they're hilarious, they're douchebags, but they're creative and funny douchebags, so it's ok in my book.
Mhm. It's okay to be an asshole, as long as your farts sound funny like a trumpet. It's okay to be make other people's lives miserable, as long as you're funny when you do it? That's just ridiculous.
Also, they can only "ruin" a server if people let them. They're pretty easy to ignore, and like any people trying to grief someone, if you ignore them, they really do go away; or at the very least go after more interesting targets.
Actually, that doesn't quite work. If the game had hinged purely on my own actions in the game, sure. It'd never have mattered. I ignored bullies in school (or bullied back, depending on the gap in size/age), and it worked like a charm. I ignore griefers in a game, and it works like a charm... but do you really expect an entire server to ignore griefing? Doesn't work. No way that you'll get an entire server to do it. And thus, a semi-large part of the server in question gets affected, which these asstards thinks is funny, and thus they keep it up.
I still don't see how you can defend it as 'funny' when it's ruined the gametime of so many people across the world, for no better reason than that assholes decide to make other people's online time as miserable as they can 'for teh lulz'.
And it's especially intrusive on roleplaying servers, where game-mechanics and RP does not go hand in hand. Like I said, in Eve, I don't mind. Game-mechanics, 'griefing' and RP goes hand in hand. Very hard to grief in Eve, or at least every player in Eve signed over money to CCP saying 'please grief me'. In other games... doesn't work that way.
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Mhm. It's okay to be an asshole, as long as your farts sound funny like a trumpet. It's okay to be make other people's lives miserable, as long as you're funny when you do it? That's just ridiculous.
Something like that. Douchebaggery for the sake of douchebaggery is rude, but when it's not intended just to be a douchebag and is being done for a joke it's definitely on a different level.
It's hardly ridiculous, it's fairly typical of human behavior. It's ok to insult people as long as you're funny when you do it, isn't it? I would suggest that such banter is typical of people. It's the core of comedy.
Someone has to be the brunt of a joke.
Actually, that doesn't quite work. If the game had hinged purely on my own actions in the game, sure. It'd never have mattered. I ignored bullies in school (or bullied back, depending on the gap in size/age), and it worked like a charm. I ignore griefers in a game, and it works like a charm... but do you really expect an entire server to ignore griefing? Doesn't work. No way that you'll get an entire server to do it. And thus, a semi-large part of the server in question gets affected, which these asstards thinks is funny, and thus they keep it up.
Except even in such a way they can't ruin a server. Their actions are a catalyst, nothing more. The server is ruined by how people react. Now you could then argue that without the Goons' antics the people wouldn't commit to such actions, however it happens all the time. Roleplaying servers with or without griefers are notoriously unstable due to the rather higher-than-average number of Drama Llamas that end up on said servers.
They fall apart with or without the Goons' involvement. It just happens faster when the Goons are around.
I still don't see how you can defend it as 'funny' when it's ruined the gametime of so many people across the world, for no better reason than that assholes decide to make other people's online time as miserable as they can 'for teh lulz'.
Well, in part because this isn't real life. This is a game. I've had them ruin my intended fun on more than one occasion, and it was still fun, because they made me laugh. The core of comedy is derision. It has always been that way and it always will be. Even "knock knock" jokes are making fun of the person you're telling them to by leading them into a trap.
No one is really strongly affected by Goon antics. They aren't beating people up, ruining their lives, or torturing their pets. They're making some jokes at the world's expense.
So what? We pay people to do that every single day that oft say things that make the Goons' antics pale in comparison, and we laugh our asses off at it.
It's interesting to me how some people take offense when they are the butt of the joke, but it's totally cool when it's other people.
And it's especially intrusive on roleplaying servers, where game-mechanics and RP does not go hand in hand. Like I said, in Eve, I don't mind. Game-mechanics, 'griefing' and RP goes hand in hand. Very hard to grief in Eve, or at least every player in Eve signed over money to CCP saying 'please grief me'. In other games... doesn't work that way.
If the game-mechanics do not go hand in hand with the RP, then I would suggest the RP needs to be refined so that it fits within the world it is taking place in.
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Basically, everything you're saying amounts to "Griefers are doinitrite and people who react are doinitrong". Assholes and people who ruin other people's online time are people we should like, and people who don't somehow deserve what they get. Your view on online interaction appalls and disgusts me. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.
Secondly, it's not a 'joke'. It's not 'trying to make a funny'. It's griefing. It's intentionally going out to make someone else miserable, and finding enjoyment in that. That's not humor... that's sadism. That there's people who find it funny doesn't for one split second make it anything other than sadism, and cruelty.
So if you could get away with it, you'd go around giving random people on the street wedgies, dump water then flour on them, paint their cars five shades of puke green and 'I'm a rapist!' on the side? It'd be funny, wouldn't it? Same logic. People'd find it funny, and if done 'creatively' enough, it'd be 'funny douchebaggery'.
I don't see why it being online somehow gives immunity from common bloody decency, unless the very framework of the online interaction is built around such mechanics (like Eve). Sorry. Commend douchebags, twats, assholes and just plain fucktards all you want. Doesn't make it any less vile, cruel and disgusting when viewed from any perspective involving common courtesy, decency and common sense.
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Well, uh, not that I have a lot of opinions on this, but it seems that there's a bit of a remove between repainting people's cars and antagonizing people in an online game?
Also...this game seems somehow perverse. And I don't mean that sexually.
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Interestingly enough, a thread came up on EVE-O Recently regarding intent behind actions in game. Thought It might be relevant (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1338402).
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Well, uh, not that I have a lot of opinions on this, but it seems that there's a bit of a remove between repainting people's cars and antagonizing people in an online game?
Also...this game seems somehow perverse. And I don't mean that sexually.
I know, I simply put it to a point. Where does the line get drawn? Why should online interactions suddenly make you less responsible for your behaviour? Why should other people and their views, desires and so on suddenly mean nothing, just because it's online?
Antagonizing people is still antagonizing people. The medium is irrelevant.
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Holy thread derail batman.
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Basically, everything you're saying amounts to "Griefers are doinitrite and people who react are doinitrong". Assholes and people who ruin other people's online time are people we should like, and people who don't somehow deserve what they get.
Well, no, that's a horrid misrepresentation. What I'm saying is it's a game, and people who have fun with it are doing it right (or "doinitrite" I suppose), and those who don't, aren't. Pretty much as simple as that.
Your view on online interaction appalls and disgusts me. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.
What, exactly, about it does so? I ask because most of my references of comedy were entirely unrelated to online.
Secondly, it's not a 'joke'.
Yes, it really is.
It's not 'trying to make a funny'.
Sure is.
It's griefing.
I would suggest that depends on perception. It's griefing if its things that affect you, it's funny if it's something you agree with.
Look, you even said it here:
You know, I fuckin' hate the Goons. They've ruined several roleplaying servers in various games I've played over the years through harassment, griefing and so on and so forth. In Eve... well, I still hate them, but that's bleed-through hate from those other MMOs. In Eve they can't really grief or harass, since it's all valid and intended gameplay, since this game isn't divided into RP and other realms.
In this, though? I... for the first time in my life... loved them.
Wonderful and accurate review.
I simply extended that perception that even when I'm the brunt of it, it's still funny to me. That would be the only difference.
It's intentionally going out to make someone else miserable, and finding enjoyment in that. That's not humor... that's sadism.
Uhm. That (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o") is (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esKwU3BrUfM") most (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esKwU3BrUfM") comedy (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOp8BKaccs").
You're neglecting the fact that if people play along without freaking out they will still continue. I know this from personal experience.
That there's people who find it funny doesn't for one split second make it anything other than sadism, and cruelty.
Your concept of "sadism" and "cruelty" are much tamer than mine, apparently. I would suggest someone would need to actually be harmed for them to qualify, oddly, so does Miriam Webster.
So if you could get away with it, you'd go around giving random people on the street wedgies, dump water then flour on them, paint their cars five shades of puke green and 'I'm a rapist!' on the side? It'd be funny, wouldn't it?
In order: Yes and people have been paid big money to have tv shows where they do it, Same answer, and has absolutely no comparison as the last one actually causes harm so can't really be related in this context.
Same logic. People'd find it funny, and if done 'creatively' enough, it'd be 'funny douchebaggery'.
Hardly the same logic, as stated above people are actually harmed in the last one, the first two are in fact things that would be funny, and through a cursory search of both the internet and your local television channels, you can find such things happening.
I don't see why it being online somehow gives immunity from common bloody decency, unless the very framework of the online interaction is built around such mechanics (like Eve).
First off, you're conflating terms here. "Common Decency" is not the same as "Leave me alone". There is nothing indecent about being disruptive. If we're sitting in a restraunt and someone runs through screaming for no apparent reason then runs back out there door, there was nothing about their actions that breaks common decency. Showing some common decency does not mean that people will cater to your wants.
That said: The reason there is a buffer is because it's a fucking video game. This is not something important. This is something people do to waste time. This is not someone working on some Cancer Research or some shit, or trying to save a life. This is a bunch of pixels on a screen where you sit in a little Skinner Box pulling levers all day.
Sorry. Commend douchebags, twats, assholes and just plain fucktards all you want. Doesn't make it any less vile, cruel and disgusting when viewed from any perspective involving common courtesy, decency and common sense.
Well, no, see here you go conflating again. Let me correct your statement:
It doesn't make it any less vile, cruel, and disgusting when viewed from your perspective.
The rest of that doesn't apply.