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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Benjamin Shepherd on 26 Jan 2011, 19:30
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJKcK-Fv80I&fmt=22
One of CCP's finer videos imo. Also helps us see how exactly people are abducted and what the cybernetic slaves look like.
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The production quality is quite nice and I did indeed smile at all those people being saved and taken up into the Master's loving embrace. :-)
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Cartel needs one.
now.
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That was pretty cool! Nothing like a synopsis with some eye candy. :D
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Techno Space Zombies?
Pretty and all, but bleh.
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Cartel needs one.
now.
My immediate reaction as well, after I stopped drooling and going "man that's pretty hawt" ;P
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True it's a very nice video
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First reaction: NICE video.
Second reaction: Thank gods, this should put an end to people OOCly claiming it is not clear Sansha is taking people against their will.
Third reaction: Scratch that. They will just claim CCP intended it to be "just CONCORD propaganda".
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Koo-vak-ee
:o
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I liked it, but it's Kuvakei - not Kuvakai. ty bai.
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First reaction: NICE video.
Second reaction: Thank gods, this should put an end to people OOCly claiming it is not clear Sansha is taking people against their will.
Third reaction: Scratch that. They will just claim CCP intended it to be "just CONCORD propaganda".
Its all CONCORD propaganda!
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Propaganda or not, awesome video is awesome.
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I loved it--was a great crash course in who the fuck he was, what his story is, and why he's pissed off, too. WTB more for all the major character in EVE I should know about but can't be bothered to slog through prime fiction to learn about.
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Yep, it was pretty damn awesome. :yar:
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But the question arises from that...
Why is he a challenge for the capsuleers?
Why would capsuleers care?
It is the Empires that he is a threat to.
It is the common population of the Empires that he preys upon.
To the capsuleers he is nothing more than a nuisance.
A part of the terrain to avoid, or to exploit to your advantage.
Surely he is not a threat.
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First off: That video is awesome.
As for the threat to capsuleers:
They do use systems that lower the efficiency of capsuleer, hence the debuffs in the incursion systems. I would call that a threat because I would certainly hate it if someone would start chiselling chips off my throne of ultimate power.
That power is the second reason: It is a challenge because capsuleers seem to be the only ones capable to repel his incursions. So you got lots of capsuleers that are in it for humanitarian, patriotic or egoistic reasons - profit or helping to assure the dominance of capsuleers.
Hey, he issued a challenge. That alone should be motivation for some, too.
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First reaction: NICE video.
Second reaction: Thank gods, this should put an end to people OOCly claiming it is not clear Sansha is taking people against their will.
Third reaction: Scratch that. They will just claim CCP intended it to be "just CONCORD propaganda".
Who would dare question their faith in Master Sansha?
[spoiler]jk lol[/spoiler]
This was a pretty good introductory piece for those not familiar with the PF. I wonder if this will be a hallmark of future events and what not, like the Serpentis who seem to be next?
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Based on what are the Drug Dealers next?
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There was one or more Serpentis live events actors who showed up and did sneaky things. I don't know if that was just some shadowy in-game way of fulfilling the Recursion piece, or a hint of something more. As far as I'm aware of they're the only ones who have direct Live Events presence more than the other factions.
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there was also a blood raider actor in the event that was in the old blood raider constellation in the bleak lands.
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It was a good video and a good PF primer, but the premise that it was once a top secret file is pretty thin.
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The good bits (spike dildos) were all redacted.
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Any ideas why the automated Incursions have been massively targeting Amarrian space and have so far not been in a single Republic system? It's looking less likely by the day to be pure chance based on the number of constellations held by each of the empires.
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Amarr space (including Khanid and Ammatar) is 10 regions. Minmatar space is 3 regions.
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Amarr space (including Khanid and Ammatar) is 10 regions. Minmatar space is 3 regions.
There is that, I prefer to think that the minnies are paying him off.
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State space has only seen one incursion to my knowledge (4 regions). So, from a purely statistical standpoint the Empire should see the most, followed by the Federation, then State and Republic.
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Any ideas why the automated Incursions have been massively targeting Amarrian space and have so far not been in a single Republic system?
Irony. Look at your journal tab.
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Not irony. CCP clearly noticed a bug and fixed it :P
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Also rp reasons. Sansha has a reason to hate Amarrians and vica versa.
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But the question arises from that...
Why is he a challenge for the capsuleers?
Why would capsuleers care?
It is the Empires that he is a threat to.
It is the common population of the Empires that he preys upon.
To the capsuleers he is nothing more than a nuisance.
A part of the terrain to avoid, or to exploit to your advantage.
Surely he is not a threat.
capsuleers would care for.. many reasons...
their wives, husbands, parents, siblings, friends, aquaintances, teachers and pet dog, are all generally planetbound... and it is the planetbound populations of the empires, not the monolithic entities that are the socio-political groups we lovingly call the empires that he is truly a threat to..
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@Zhuul: If Kuvakei strips away the lesser human populations that are what enable the Capsuleers their massive logistics, the Capsuleers will fall apart unless pure automation (Rogue Drones, Sleepers) is achieved.
If trillions serve the Nation and only a couple billion survive in Capsuleer outposts, etc, they will lose because they cannot sustain the human population levels. That is even under the best assumption they manage to organize themselves well enough to stop infighting and internal losses.
The 'threat' is not immediate, but it is a definite end to the Capsuleer way unless its very nature changes.
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If trillions serve the Nation and only a couple billion survive in Capsuleer outposts, etc, they will lose because they cannot sustain the human population levels. That is even under the best assumption they manage to organize themselves well enough to stop infighting and internal losses.
The 'threat' is not immediate, but it is a definite end to the Capsuleer way unless its very nature changes.
If we are talking surviving human population in the millions, it is genetically sustainable and potentially can maintain the capability to manufacture most of the technology of the current era it should be able to survive, even if isolated to a few constellations in the furtherest reaches of K-space (even potentially in a single system of W-space).
Scattered groups of a few hundred (not even large alliances) benevolent capsuleers can potentially defend a whole constellation against a standard Nation Incursion.
Also, does Nation's control mechanisms breakdown at some point? Can the system actually handle trillions of entities within its "hive mind" network?
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To clarify, Capsuleers wouldn't be able to sustain human population levels in a war against the Nation. Genetically speaking there's enough diversification to avoid that particular pitfall.
I'm approaching this from the position of a total end game situation, as I don't think a trillions strong Nation will just send a scouting Incursion to destroy a constellation.
In regards to the implants breaking down, there's not enough information. The Sansha ship logs have implications of implants causing pain or wear & tear, but how it came about is unknown. Considering the Nation's interest in expanding itself, I imagine the sheer numbers problem for their network is already accounted for.
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Perhaps this should be moved to a RP EVE discussion forum section, as it seems we've long since strayed into that territory. :p
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To clarify, Capsuleers wouldn't be able to sustain human population levels in a war against the Nation. Genetically speaking there's enough diversification to avoid that particular pitfall.
I'm approaching this from the position of a total end game situation, as I don't think a trillions strong Nation will just send a scouting Incursion to destroy a constellation.
In regards to the implants breaking down, there's not enough information. The Sansha ship logs have implications of implants causing pain or wear & tear, but how it came about is unknown. Considering the Nation's interest in expanding itself, I imagine the sheer numbers problem for their network is already accounted for.
I believe Nola made a speech on that very topic. ;)
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To clarify, Capsuleers wouldn't be able to sustain human population levels in a war against the Nation. Genetically speaking there's enough diversification to avoid that particular pitfall.
I'm approaching this from the position of a total end game situation, as I don't think a trillions strong Nation will just send a scouting Incursion to destroy a constellation.
In regards to the implants breaking down, there's not enough information. The Sansha ship logs have implications of implants causing pain or wear & tear, but how it came about is unknown. Considering the Nation's interest in expanding itself, I imagine the sheer numbers problem for their network is already accounted for.
I believe Nola made a speech on that very topic. ;)
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1856/1296362040924.jpg)
I do wonder if any future Incursion content will reveal more about the True Slave implants.
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Some capsuleers are already wearing implants that just need a triggering command from your Great Leader and they will join the Chosen :D
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Any future Incursion content?
We've been waiting for future FW content for almost 3 years now...
:(