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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Mizhara on 23 Sep 2014, 17:16
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So, poking a bit at the community lately I've had to conclude there's practically no Minmatar stuff left that's anywhere near public or pro-active. Nor are there anyone actually fighting against slavery, unless it's coincidental with shooting Nappy. Dafuq happened? Anyway, there's a humongous hole in the market where you can fit something properly nasty and funny in. So here goes, let me just stream of consciousness a vague idea here.
Corp (potentially alliance down the road), Winmatar Badasses Inc Part Deux The Movie The Game The Prequel. Primarily composed of Minmatar and others that considers slavers, the Empire in general and factions like Angels, Blooders etc to be for various reasons scourges upon New Eden that needs to be taken the fuck down. Prime goal is two-fold, getting rid of slavery as much as possible and getting some proper righteous wrath dispensed on those who will not comply with this rather reasonable request. No compromise, no mercy.
Very loosely tied to the Republic in that any freed slaves have got to go somewhere if they're not interested/capable of being trained and used against their former masters. Quite probably going to be rather ostracized from the Republic though, as history has shown anyone actually taking on the Empire without adhering to incredible standards of e-honoure are no true scotsmen. There would be very few questions of morality and ethics involved. Terror is a fully acceptable tool to use when the stakes are this high and other tools prove too flimsy to get the job done.
Actual gameplay wise, it'd depend somewhat on initial and projected member count. No FW, but parking our collective arses in Amarr/Angel territory or places like that and wardeccing everything in sight, from nice soft carebear targets to high-end PvP targets depending on how we judge our in-game capacity for enforcing our will. Deliver freedom/vengeance (depending on target and character) at terminal velocities, make some noise, rock the boat, maybe do some public stuff. Nothing wrong with cooperating with FW entities to take out Amarr FW targets (or Caldari FW targets, or Federation FW targets, or even Republic FW targets if they're considered to be enemies). Republic aligned entities do not get a free pass, if they're considered to be too cozy with slavers.
Basically, hardline stance against slavers across New Eden. No scruples, no cuddles, no compromise and no mercy.
This will naturally alienate a lot of people. Going to a ball room dance at the... whatever is the current Amarr hotspot... would be somewhat difficult by dint of being part of this, but would also lend itself nicely to an awoxing and subsequent corpkick. No cuddles allowed, basically. I've already said this, but I'd aim for this to be public and noisy. No shitposting or going Diana Kim, but trying to go for somewhat creative publications and discussions.
Potential tangental stuff would be merc work, extortion, etc. It'd also be a bit fun having some cloak and dagger stuff going on with hidden investors, secret collaborators etc but those are details and potential interactions that can grow naturally from these things. It will by the way require the ability to enter Amarr Highsec to pop all those juiciest targets that think themselves safe.
I will also buy Havo a few PLEXes for this shit. I need a pats... I need someone to take the fal... I need a scap...
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Havo, just bloody vote up top and be ready to log in if this gets a decent momentum going.
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Anya literally carebares all day in Delve in an Ashimmu packed with slaves, dancers, tourists, prisoners, and blood raider scientists. If you get this going you can always shoot out to Delve for pvp. Anya doesn't just fight solo against large gangs, she also fights solo against small gangs too.
Good luck with this, sounds awesome!
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I will fite tha fuh outta dis. Gib fite plz.
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KILL ALL THE SLAVERS!
... wait, that's me.
But yes to this, please.
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Maybe all the Matari guys got tired of all the 'SLAVES! SLAAAAAVES!' shtick? Slavery's pretty much a dead horse at this point.
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Maybe all the Matari guys got tired of all the 'SLAVES! SLAAAAAVES!' shtick? Slavery's pretty much a dead horse at this point.
Sure, if you're too busy yelling about it to actually do something. 'FOR THA EMPIAH' would also be a dead horse for PIE if all we did was talk about it on the IGS.
Ushra'Khan is actually still alive and kicking though, just not very many RP'ers left in it. If anyone wanted to pick this torch up again that would be a good place to start.
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I roleplay a Matar to explore the free-man side and the technological and cultural side though, instead of that thing about slaves. Which is why he has an engineering background with a certain obsession with automation (using relatively cheap and already-available technology to devise said system as a Matari engineer is wont to do) and dissecting rogue drones (to see how they tick and figure out how to replicate using already-available technology).
His hatred for Hookbills is less about patriotism or anything of the sort and more to do with technological rivalry. Yes, he joined the Tribal Liberation Fleet some two years ago and stayed until earlier this year, but he joined as a freelance privateer. Any slaves he liberated was happenstance rather than intentional, he was there to accrue funds as well as battle-test his own skills and his warships and any kind of modification he has made, as well as to rummage through the wrecks of Amarrian warships to see if he has anything to learn.
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I'll still just be watching this thread and the results for a while, but I have to admit I had a little giggle at the support and yes votes all coming from the Amarr side. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
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I should probably clarify that while the poll itself is an all-round interest gauge of all RP factions and what they think, I'd also love to hear in posts whether or not there's any actual interest in participating. Otherwise this might turn out to be a chunk of the community wholly approving of a solo corp gloriously going splat against any target and shitposting about it on the IGS.
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For once Matari RPers start shooting and screaming at Angels instead of just "Amarr"... Kudos.
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I should probably clarify that while the poll itself is an all-round interest gauge of all RP factions and what they think, I'd also love to hear in posts whether or not there's any actual interest in participating. Otherwise this might turn out to be a chunk of the community wholly approving of a solo corp gloriously going splat against any target and shitposting about it on the IGS.
Would love to participate!
Katanga Caravan is anti-Republic, pro-Cartel and dabbles in the slave trade (those drugs don't test themselves! :twisted:).
I'd be happy for more targets and to be a target :)
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So we got PIE, a Blooder and an Angel raising their hands for target practice. While I could without a glimmer of a doubt bring all of these to their knees with a mere sneering glance it'd be a lot more fun to do it with others involved. Will keep watching the thread and occasionally looking at things in-game.
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While I would love something a bit more focused on actually bashing slavers on the head instead of orbiting buttons or playing POCO games with other Republic dwellers, I'm not certain something this extreme is quite a good fit for my character. 1) He's generally pro-republic since it's become more Tribe-focused in recent years. 2) Tabor has no problem killing badguys, but he's not anti-slavery/anti-amarr to the point of genocide. 3) Not interested in a corp where I can be AWOXed/kicked for having a chat. The point isn't simply to bash slavers on the head, it's to bash them on the head enough that they give you what you want.
In short: I'm with you in spirit, but I think I'd rather do something more along the lines of what we attempted with Teraa Matar and Skadi's Call.
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Certainly fair enough, but that part of the market has been filled (repeatedly) and is in part covered by Gradient I suppose.
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'Bashing slavers' iasn't so easy to accomplish in game, I think, if one wants to keep it interesting.
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Yes and no. Gradient is pretty awesome at what they do, but these days they seem really more focused on "domestic" stuff like developing markets in the Republic and shooting reds in republic space. I think I'd be interested in something a bit more aggressive, just not quite sure I'm up to Havohej's level. If Tabor did join something like this, he'd probably be the closest thing the group has to a voice of moderation. I try to avoid the raging Brutor stereotype when playing him.
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'Bashing slavers' iasn't so easy to accomplish in game, I think, if one wants to keep it interesting.
I agree, that's why it's interesting.
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To be perfectly and brutally honest, it'd probably be a herculean task to actually succeed, initially. Almost every target of sufficient size is also competent and can work together. This would be a fairly new entity with little experience with each other and most likely outnumbered to boot. Underhanded tactics and moral victories galore, I suspect.
Still, that sounds pretty acceptable actually, Tab. No friendly relations with slavers is a fairly reasonable demand though. There'd be no limitations on any other affiliation or loyalty, as long as ending the slavers remain on top of the priority list.
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This is also a good place to start off as a loser too. Of course you could have some backstory of why you hate slavers. But initial players could actually fleet up and go to Amarr/Curse/Delve to free some slaves dimplomatically and be captured and put into slavery themselves. This could tie everyone's story together. Even if, let's say, an Amarrian joins your group. They would have that same or even worse experience of being a breeding slave for the covenant. Sure you lose a little at first but it's a great reason for players to have their common goals.
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Still, that sounds pretty acceptable actually, Tab. No friendly relations with slavers is a fairly reasonable demand though. There'd be no limitations on any other affiliation or loyalty, as long as ending the slavers remain on top of the priority list.
Re-read through things a bit. I guess I was getting a bit caught up on the "no huggles" part since I know you and I have a bit of a disagreement on what that entails based upon your previous posts. I think there's a difference between "No friendly relations" and "No relations." Tabor for example would be perfectly willing to negotiate prisoner/hostage exchanges, temporary ceasefires, and stuff like that if he felt it still helped his cause. In order to make stuff like that happen, you have to have some sort of interaction with the other side.
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It's often better for a corp when you have a bit of inside diversity.
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If this happens, I demand spine-tingly threats, like so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo)
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If this happens, I demand spine-tingly threats, like so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo)
I've actually been having all kinds of daydreams of what I could do if I had even the slightest skill at video editing, drawing, etc. Got so much awesome bottled up in my head and no way to get it out on youtube. But indeed, the hearts and minds are in fact something I aim for. Capsuleers can only do so much and in the larger scheme of things, they're almost irrelevant. However, dirtsiders practically worship them, so take a lesson from the Gallente and use that.
Propaganda. Brand names. T-shirts, music videos, be fucking rockstars across New Eden and create a movement. That's how you change shit. To do that, you need to be awesome in space, which is where all the actual player stuff will come in.
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If this happens, I demand spine-tingly threats, like so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo)
I've actually been having all kinds of daydreams of what I could do if I had even the slightest skill at video editing, drawing, etc. Got so much awesome bottled up in my head and no way to get it out on youtube. But indeed, the hearts and minds are in fact something I aim for. Capsuleers can only do so much and in the larger scheme of things, they're almost irrelevant. However, dirtsiders practically worship them, so take a lesson from the Gallente and use that.
Propaganda. Brand names. T-shirts, music videos, be fucking rockstars across New Eden and create a movement. That's how you change shit. To do that, you need to be awesome in space, which is where all the actual player stuff will come in.
Regrettably I suck at EVE, but hey, I can always push paper :P
Also, you're probably as aware as I that these type of projects typically have a short shelf-life, so a solid development plan may help.
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Certainly. I'm just gauging interest right now though. If there's enough, I'll start working on a more specific set of goals, plans for how to reach them, get some artwork done and so on. Some teasers, etc.
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I will also buy Havo a few PLEXes for this shit. I need a pats... I need someone to take the fal... I need a scap...
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Havo, just bloody vote up top and be ready to log in if this gets a decent momentum going.
At first I was like, "But I can't afford the subscription right now :("
Then I got to the bottom. If you'll front plexes, I'll resub.
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Maybe all the Matari guys got tired of all the 'SLAVES! SLAAAAAVES!' shtick? Slavery's pretty much a dead horse at this point.
Never. I'm just out of work. :yar:
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Then so far we're up to... let's see. PIE, Angels and Blooders as enemies to start with. We'll probably expand over time.
Should be simple enough to take on with just the two of us, eh? Three if we can teach Tabor how to properly winmatar.
It's a start. I'll still be watching this thread for a bit to keep gauging the interest, but this is enough for me to start laying down some more specific plans on paper.
Note: This is not to say this is actually happening yet. At best it'll have to wait a couple of weeks until I finish some real life stuff, at worst the participation will be too low to get critical mass, but so far there's a slight start to be had.
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It's worth noting for Tabor's benefit that the last time we were
terrorizing liberating slaves, we had a couple of Amarrians in corp (Lord Maximullis and Flux). While Havo did have a couple of shady dealings of his own with the Cartel to make the 1000:1 thing happen, he wasn't so unreasonable as to not speak civilly with Maries like Merdaneth when it served a need.
Great chats with Merd back then. And a couple of good Rifter vs. Punisher duels as well. Merd's always been my favorite Amarr RPer for that.
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Aye, interaction with the enemy is fun when it's done right. It's the "let's be the bestest of friends!" kind of thing that would certainly get me warming up the autocannons. (Which I'm assured aren't quite as shit as rumor has it).
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I'm not against Amarr in corp. Tabor's wife is 1/4 Amarr. I just have a kneejerk reaction when threatened with awoxing. It's an OOC relic of my time in nullsec. I agree that interaction with the enemy is fun when done right (in fact it can be my favorite RP). It's the "done right" part that matters most.
EDIT: one of my favorite RPs actually involved my Amarr/Angel character at a neutrally hosted event and running into Havohej among other people they normally don't get to interact with.
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Hmmm.
I have two accounts. The main on the second is currently running a corp that might drift in this direction given the right membership. Trouble is he despises Havo & Mizhara for that liberated slave massacre they were part of a few years back. You would have to go some for him to trust you.
Corp is Clan Ogunkoya. Take a look at the description & let me know if it could be useful.
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I'll be watching interestedly from the sidelines, but I have never been able to get into Minnie stuff. All of my Minnie characters end up going non-empire.
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I'll be watching interestedly from the sidelines, but I have never been able to get into Minnie stuff. All of my Minnie characters end up going non-empire.
Yay, fellow free-man!
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I'm not against Amarr in corp. Tabor's wife is 1/4 Amarr. I just have a kneejerk reaction when threatened with awoxing. It's an OOC relic of my time in nullsec. I agree that interaction with the enemy is fun when done right (in fact it can be my favorite RP). It's the "done right" part that matters most.
EDIT: one of my favorite RPs actually involved my Amarr/Angel character at a neutrally hosted event and running into Havohej among other people they normally don't get to interact with.
Was that Saissore's charity function? That was pretty fun.
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Hmmm.
I have two accounts. The main on the second is currently running a corp that might drift in this direction given the right membership. Trouble is he despises Havo & Mizhara for that liberated slave massacre they were part of a few years back. You would have to go some for him to trust you.
Corp is Clan Ogunkoya. Take a look at the description & let me know if it could be useful.
I think a conversation with Havo would go a long way toward understanding his madness and maybe hating him less. Havo doesn't understand Mizhara's madness, though, so I can't speak to the effectiveness of a conversation with her.
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I voted for the shoot all the things option but obviously cannot join in. More RP enemies is great though and it would give me a chance to shoot me some Havo!
You can count Pyre amongst your happy to be enemies.
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I voted for the shoot all the things option but obviously cannot join in. More RP enemies is great though and it would give me a chance to shoot me some Havo!
You can count Pyre amongst your happy to be enemies.
You sure you wanna do that?
I'll pod you, bro.
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I'm not against Amarr in corp. Tabor's wife is 1/4 Amarr. I just have a kneejerk reaction when threatened with awoxing. It's an OOC relic of my time in nullsec. I agree that interaction with the enemy is fun when done right (in fact it can be my favorite RP). It's the "done right" part that matters most.
EDIT: one of my favorite RPs actually involved my Amarr/Angel character at a neutrally hosted event and running into Havohej among other people they normally don't get to interact with.
Was that Saissore's charity function? That was pretty fun.
Yeppers! Steph is doing another event soon, I'm gonna subscribe just for that!
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Hmmm.
I have two accounts. The main on the second is currently running a corp that might drift in this direction given the right membership. Trouble is he despises Havo & Mizhara for that liberated slave massacre they were part of a few years back. You would have to go some for him to trust you.
Corp is Clan Ogunkoya. Take a look at the description & let me know if it could be useful.
I think a conversation with Havo would go a long way toward understanding his madness and maybe hating him less. Havo doesn't understand Mizhara's madness, though, so I can't speak to the effectiveness of a conversation with her.
Madness? Silly people.
Miz is just willing to do what needs to be done, when the alternative is worse but less immediately horrifying. I'm sure an in-game convo would be quite a bit different but the logic behind it all is simple: Every effort was made to train, treat, deprogram and help those people. When every effort had failed repeatedly, there were two options left. Unleash a massive amount of Amarr sympathizers/loyalist/religious zealot slaves on a Republic that could barely deal with those who were friendly, not really an option. Give them back to the Amarr, which wasn't really an option. You don't inflict that kind of harm on your home, nor do you give the enemy their assets back. Every person who died was for all intents and purposes an enemy combatant or an enemy asset that couldn't be converted.
A quick, painless death they never even saw coming was the lesser of all available evils. There were no good options to choose from. So while it was horrifying in an immediate sense compared to shipping them to the Republic or the Empire, it was far less horrifying than the long-term repercussions of the other available choices.
No madness. No RAWR I R EBIL or any such nonsense. Just not willing to push the horrors away to some distant strangers when a lesser act can deal with the situation right here and now.
Of course things have changed since then, so if it had happened today and the liberated wouldn't join up, she wouldn't care where they went as long as they didn't go back to the Empire. The welfare of the Republic is no longer a priority, so a few hundred thousand zealots unleashed upon it would be someone else's problem, like Gradient or something.
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I don't suppose you saved a copy of those blog posts anywhere, by any chance? I lost the db backups when I went back upstate... =/
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Afraid not.
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A word of advice as someone who has tried to make a corp with a strong RP motive and principle at its core: secure a few recruits before you start it. When I tried to restart KotMC I generated a lot if interest and excitement but only one person ended up joining and even that was an alt.
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Agreed. I'm not moving ahead with this until I know I have a few people on board from the beginning. There needs to be a core to build something around, or it'll fall apart in short order. Still might, but might as well give it a fighting chance.
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To be fair, I started Du'uma Fiisi with a pilot and a dream.
No, that's too dramatic.
Really, it was a pilot and an unfilled niche in the RP scheme. I was surprised to find my first applications came from Amarrian players, one of whom had been in a CVA corp previously. But, I needed fodder pilots, so I worked with it. I eventually ended up with Mizhara's quickly growing skill as a frigateer and Zu's diplomatic acumen as well as growing skill as a frigateer to mix with flux's frigate skill (him and his bloody interceptors - refused to fly anything else!) and me and Max in cruiser hulls mostly, occasional BC...
There were a few others off and on, but the core of the thing was just the 5 of us. And we had a blast, imo :)
What I'm trying to say is, yeah, definitely make sure you've got a core to work with but it doesn't need to be a huge one.
EDIT: I think our biggest block to recruitment may not have been RP as a pvp corp 'thing' as much as we thought it was back then. I think it may have just been the hard line and people having a perception (despite the non Minnie members like Max, flux and Zu) that A: you had to be Minmatar to play with us or B: you had to be as rabid as Havo and Miz seemed to be (despite Zu very much not being rabid).
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Good point. I think another block was simply that a small outfit like that had very little gravity to catch and pull in people compared to the gargantuan stellar object nominally on the same side of things that hoovered up the few that were "undecided", namely EM. GRD is still one hell of a competitor for the Minmatar side of things, but I think a greater focus on "against slavers" than "For the Republic" will differentiate this new start enough to make it worthwhile.
Miz was never rabid though. Just a little... focused.
>_>
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Miz was never rabid though. Just a little... focused.
>_>
:lol: :cube:
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So, if N'maro's vid is nice and fitting to us, this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fv5O5TmNhw) is what U'K could be doing. I really need to talk to Det or someone to see what can be done there.
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I voted for the shoot all the things option but obviously cannot join in. More RP enemies is great though and it would give me a chance to shoot me some Havo!
You can count Pyre amongst your happy to be enemies.
You sure you wanna do that?
I'll pod you, bro.
I can tell by those spindly little sebbie arms that you do not even lift bro.
Seriously though some shady Caldari mercs duking it out with morally ambiguous Minnies in the shadows sounds like a good time.
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I voted for the shoot all the things option but obviously cannot join in. More RP enemies is great though and it would give me a chance to shoot me some Havo!
You can count Pyre amongst your happy to be enemies.
You sure you wanna do that?
I'll pod you, bro.
I can tell by those spindly little sebbie arms that you do not even lift bro.
Seriously though some shady Caldari mercs duking it out with morally ambiguous Minnies in the shadows sounds like a good time.
Blowtorches aren't exactly heavy.
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He forgets Havo's Thukker.
But to be fair, when you're a terrorist paying other people to do dirty work for you, no, you don't lift.
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I think you have to start small with this sort of thing for it to work, otherwise expectations drag you down.
An inverse of Nauplius' tactics might be worthwhile. Things like going after the NPC convoys and free slaves. Or go after Nauplius to try and beat the Amarrians to rescuing his captives.
I think a lot of the old U'K (or even pre-U'K) material might be worth revisiting. I miss seeing threads like this one: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=91967
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An inverse of Nauplius' tactics might be worthwhile. Things like going after the NPC convoys and free slaves. Or go after Nauplius to try and beat the Amarrians to rescuing his captives.
This! I confess I also wondered if this might happen with a minmatar corp or two.
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I'll be gone for AMLS certification and a funeral coming back to back so at least a week without a proper PC and browser, so I won't be getting any work done or anything else during the next week or so. I might do some basic browsing on the phone but I bloody hate mobile -anything- on the net.
If you have any interest in this as a participant, hostile or friendly, let me know here or in PMs. I won't be checking in-game mails with any regularity anyway so use Backstage.
Keep posting thoughts for or against, everything's still in the very moldable pre-planning stage.
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AMLS certified (was there ever any doubt? I am a GOD OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE!) and the fucking air travel companies couldn't find one bloody open seat anywhere that'd let me reach the boat to the island in time for the funeral, so fuck it. I'm back and might as well try and make this happen.
I'll buy a few plexes for Havo and next Thursday I have a week off to get this shit rolling. Any others that might be interested, voice up.
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AMLS certified (was there ever any doubt? I am a GOD OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE!) and the fucking air travel companies couldn't find one bloody open seat anywhere that'd let me reach the boat to the island in time for the funeral, so fuck it. I'm back and might as well try and make this happen.
I'll buy a few plexes for Havo and next Thursday I have a week off to get this shit rolling. Any others that might be interested, voice up.
Cool. Tomorrow's my birthday, happy birthday me! :cube:
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Hey, happy birthday! Plexes will be the birthday gift next thursday.
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i'll reinstall next Wednesday then, when you tell me the contract is up, I'll get that 24 hour mulligan they do.
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Will there be fire?
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Even in the moments of their final defeat, they will not take comfort in oblivion. For I am coming for them. I am the Scourge of Amarr!
And I will watch your world burn. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fv5O5TmNhw)
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Except, you know... brand new corp with a whooping two members to start with, in different timezones. World burning comes later, for now it'll be picking off softer targets and making a little ruckus to gain recruits.
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Hey Havo, just so you know the hours for plex thing only gives you 4 hours so you want to make sure to have everything set up for it before activating.
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I spy with my little eye...
A motherthukker being a bad motherfucker.
I wonder if he's got any ships left.
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More power to you folks. I may be bringing my Minny out of mothballs, but if I do he will probably not be going hardliner. He's been a hardliner of a different sort for too long, me thinks. But more power to you and I hope it takes off.