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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Seriphyn on 05 Oct 2012, 09:27
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Or well, on Gallente Prime at least...
Clickie (http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/9264/1349360314940.jpg)
Hi-tech hedonists with a dash of the more tasteful high culture (health food and art expo I was looking at). It's from Infinity (http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/) though. I wish we'd get similar stuff for EVE, because I've always wondered what x and y would look like.
EDIT - Here's another (http://imageshack.us/a/img706/4773/caille.jpg), linked to me ages ago by Uraniae Fehrnah. Seems identical to the description of Caille (not the Crystal Boulevard (http://community.eveonline.com/bitmaps/img/weekly/crystalboulevard.jpg) mind)
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Gorgeous photo!
Bonus-points for the evil-looking Amarrian in there (maybe it's me!).
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ohh absolutely, i would be it may have a bit more vegetation and organic look on the buildings, but definetly close.
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Absolutely.
For maximum EVE realism tho, needs +12% more GRIMDARKE.
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Do only I see there Naruto? :eek:
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Creepy lurking Roden on the left !
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He lurks towards adult leisure! Typical gallentean! :lol:
And that girl on front plane, how can she even wear that... THING and wtf is this exactly? How is it physically possible? Slime jacket or? My brain hurts, thank you! :eek:
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He lurks towards adult leisure! Typical gallentean! :lol:
And that girl on front plane, how can she even wear that... THING and wtf is this exactly? How is it physically possible? Slime jacket or? My brain hurts, thank you! :eek:
Its anime, everything is always 25-200% sluttier then needed. That little capelet dealie is pretty cool though, I'd wear that.
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He lurks towards adult leisure! Typical gallentean! :lol:
And that girl on front plane, how can she even wear that... THING and wtf is this exactly? How is it physically possible? Slime jacket or? My brain hurts, thank you! :eek:
Its anime fan service, everything is always 25-200% sluttier then needed. That little capelet dealie is pretty cool though, I'd wear that.
/me doesn't like the confusion :)
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Loads of AR there.
AR in a futuristic setting always leads me towards the utopia chip of the Syndicate game series.
So... With full AR capabilities the Gallente Prime might look shiny and cool, without it the whole thing might be a tad different. Definitely less shiny and more gritty.
Also I would think that the underprivileged in the Federation would be around everywhere, begging, robbing, selling themselves and illegal goods.
The pleasure hubs as a concept is cool, but old fashioned street walking prostitution would be still around because its cheaper to sell your wares on the street than in a pleasure hub.
Mayhaps that picture is more accurate than you might think, there is a lady there harassing a little girl ...
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Loads of AR there.
AR in a futuristic setting always leads me towards the utopia chip of the Syndicate game series.
So... With full AR capabilities the Gallente Prime might look shiny and cool, without it the whole thing might be a tad different. Definitely less shiny and more gritty.
Also I would think that the underprivileged in the Federation would be around everywhere, begging, robbing, selling themselves and illegal goods.
The pleasure hubs as a concept is cool, but old fashioned street walking prostitution would be still around because its cheaper to sell your wares on the street than in a pleasure hub.
Mayhaps that picture is more accurate than you might think, there is a lady there harassing a little girl ...
EuroCorp best corp. \o/
also, in something related to the Federation, there was a city described, I think. Had Upper and lower levels, upper levels were shinier and so on.
So, with that in the Federation then, it'd be like, uppermost levels, then the AR adds stuff to reality, and looks like the picture.
Lower down, the AR smooths over the grit, hides it a bit. Going lower, there'd be bits where maybe the AR doesn't have coverage, so you'd get blank spots, showing all the grit.
the underprivileged would be shooed off from the uppermost levels, becoming more noticeable lower down.
also, had thoughts regarding prostitutes in the Federation cities, would be like:
Upperlevel = fake surgery scars, because it's "fashionable" and in "vogue"
Midlevel = no obvious scars, because they can afford proper cosmetic surgeons
Lowerlevel = real scars because they can't afford skilled cosmetic surgeons.
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Very cool pic, and yeah, Graelyn is hanging out in there too :-)
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He lurks towards adult leisure! Typical gallentean! :lol:
And that girl on front plane, how can she even wear that... THING and wtf is this exactly? How is it physically possible? Slime jacket or? My brain hurts, thank you! :eek:
Its anime fan service, everything is always 200%+ sluttier then needed. That little capelet dealie is pretty cool though, I'd wear that.
/me doesn't like the confusion :)
The girl school uniforms...just...all the girl school uniforms..
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Inb4 Gutterpress
"Cardinal Graelyn photographed prowling the Red Light District of Gallente Prime, no doubt hunting for young heathen entertainment for the night!"
"Scandalous!"
"The pictures, recently acquired from Gutter Press, shows the Cardinal and well-known Amarrian capsuleer about to enter an "adult leisure" boutique!"
"Sensational!"
"One young woman, 19, single, who's name asked be withheld was quoted saying this: "So, yeah, I was down on the street, yanno, just looking for something to do, maybe meet someone new. So, I was like, walking down the street, and I got this....contact request...in my personal comms hub, from this bald, really old pasty guy. It said "Male, older than dirt, man of the cloth". I was like...weirded out by the whole thing! I bet he was into whips and chains and stuff, just..eww."
"Outrageous!"
"Gutter Press will have more news as it develops!"
Im betting if the point of view trailed a bit to the left, you would see Esna pointing Graelyn to the adult leisure store.
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Nice picture there! When you had first said Infinity, I thought at first you had meant Infinity Universe (http://www.infinity-universe.com/), the one MMO that some people are still designing. Though their demo video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exRm0LwNnlk/) for cities looks more Caldari then Gallente...
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So, with that in the Federation then, it'd be like, uppermost levels, then the AR adds stuff to reality, and looks like the picture.
I was going to comment how the height of the skyline in the picture seems awfully lacking, but that makes perfect sense now.
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Heh, well, I'm sure not every Gallente city follows one design, and given that both Gallente and Caldari society share core fundamentals (capitalist, materialistic, pursuit of advanced tech, mass media entertainment, etc...just different execution and style), as well as a shared history, and thus in the same "civilization bloc", it wouldn't surprise me their older cities look similar.
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Yeah, there'd be different kinds of cities. Like domes and such too. Not all would follow the "levels" type of architecture.
Still, the richer/better maintained areas of cities would be more like the picture, the middle areas it would be a bit of a facade, and so on.
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Forgive me for playing the Devil's Advocate, but I've never subscribed to the whole view that most RPers have of the Gallente.
I don't see why every depiction of them has to be "lol tits" and showing as much skin as possible, or constantly wearing clothes that they appear to have been vacuum sealed into.
Wearing a sexy outfit doesn't have to be provocative in terms of flashing all your shit off, or everything being horrendously skintight. In fact, it's been proven in a lot of case that it's quite the opposite.
As for Federal cities, There reaches a point where there can be TOO much advertisement, and the messages you're trying to get across become diluted an annoying. While sure, there'd be a fiar bit of neon and a lot of holographic billboards, most images tend to overdo it.
As well as that, the Federation is in the middle of a war. I'd assume for the last four years, there's been a lot more focus on Federal propaganda and military recruitment advertisements than there has been for the latest flavor of quafe, or the newest Wings of Valor hologame.
I'd see federal cities as being a lot more about flashy, show off architecture rather than advertisements everywhere. It's backed up by prime fiction, with buildings purposely grown and carved from synthetic crystal.
If there was any Faction that was going to be big on corporate advertising and branding, then to me it'd be the State that would be pushing hard with the Neon signs encouraging you to buy Caldari and support the State. Sadly, quite a few people portray the Caldari as corporate robots living in dull grey cities comprised of horrid glass and concrete blandness with no features to them and no real uniqueness from planet to planet.
Sad really. Then again, it's just personal opinion. I'd love to see a lot more development on culture for all the races in Eve.
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Oh, Verone, I agree whole-heartedly. The FP articles for Caille and Hueromont reflect very old-fashioned cities fused with a modern outlook and sense of proud historical preservation.
I would more emphasize the original picture would be a Gallente city street...I'm sure that sort of style exists somewhere, as much as the more traditional styles exist too.
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Sadly, quite a few people portray the Caldari as corporate robots living in dull grey cities comprised of horrid glass and concrete blandness with no features to them and no real uniqueness from planet to planet.
Sad really. Then again, it's just personal opinion. I'd love to see a lot more development on culture for all the races in Eve.
I'd portray Caldari cities as settlements, built around industrial or military complexes, with most elite habitats situated as close to the central complex as possible to prevent losing time on transport. Life is centered around work, not around trade or leisures. Speaking about leisures, most of them should be located in outskirts, to maintain motivation of lowest workers.
I don't think there would be many advertisements, but surely a lot of State and corporate symbols, colorful banners in soviet style (like "everything for the state","labour, peace, state","your corporation is your home", etc) and motivational posters.
Well, and, of course, monasteries in Buddhist-style :)
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I'd have to agree with Verone here. The focus in the picture seems to be on the ads depicted and the clothing styles of the walking patrons. In my vision of the Federation, architecture would be the focus of most cities - round, spherical, curvy, and shiny! Of course, there would be neon signs and holo-boards with a touch of draping vegetation here and there, too. Also, I imagine not everyone would wear skin-tight latex clothing. The Federation is supposed to be a diverse mix of people, and thus this should be evident in clothing style.
Personally, I really admire the Federation in terms of its looks. It embodies the vision of the future I wish I could live in.
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I'd have to agree with Verone here. The focus in the picture seems to be on the ads depicted and the clothing styles of the walking patrons. In my vision of the Federation, architecture would be the focus of most cities - round, spherical, curvy, and shiny! Of course, there would be neon signs and holo-boards with a touch of draping vegetation here and there, too. Also, I imagine not everyone would wear skin-tight latex clothing. The Federation is supposed to be a diverse mix of people, and thus this should be evident in clothing style.
Personally, I really admire the Federation in terms of its looks. It embodies the vision of the future I wish I could live in.
This has been mostly my idea as well, but the street still fits.
But that's the thing; it could be anywhere on any core world in the Fed, or even the capital city of any frontier planet, or anywhere else really, like a deep-space colony with domed cities covering some planetoid somewhere, with artificial skies filing the space above the people's heads. We know from PF that the Fed likes to make their space-born habitats seems more 'natural' if at all possible, so it's not a very large stretch.
As far as clothing goes, while they would indeed have all manner of different clothing styles around the Nation, not all settlements would have a large variety of clothing styles, at all times, either.
Still, it's a very nice picture. I do wonder what Infinity Faction owns the city though, and if the models they sell come assembled and painted, or if you get to do that yourself.
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Here's another;
http://imageshack.us/a/img706/4773/caille.jpg
I think Uraniae Fehrnah shared it with me ages ago. It seems spot-on for the description of Caille. I'll update the OP with it.
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If there was any Faction that was going to be big on corporate advertising and branding, then to me it'd be the State that would be pushing hard with the Neon signs encouraging you to buy Caldari and support the State. Sadly, quite a few people portray the Caldari as corporate robots living in dull grey cities comprised of horrid glass and concrete blandness with no features to them and no real uniqueness from planet to planet.
Yes. The notion of a Caldari "entertainment district" seems to be unthinkable for some, apparently.
My imagination is heavily tainted by another old MMORPG, so I'll just drop two images in here - they're both from the same faction, yet very different. Could fuel the imagination regarding the common background of State and Federation.
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(http://www.anarchy-online.com/anarchy/frontend/files/CONTENT/download/media/conceptart/omni1.jpg)
(http://www.anarchy-online.com/anarchy/frontend/files/CONTENT/download/media/conceptart/omni2.jpg)
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I would like to think that as far as "average streets" go there would be significant variance dependant on the planet. As much as you will see large chains I would argue there would still be variation, after all even on our little planet a McD's in America has very different look and feel than a McD's in China.
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The concept of variance within a faction is based on the notion that there is no 'global' culture that is constantly enforced on the minds of the citizens by the media.
In all the factions such indoctrination is present.
In real world such global culture is created in the concept of the consumer, over sexualized children are one global indicator of it.
In Europe and America (the continent) you can see exactly the same trends in dress and attitude that go hand in hand with the culture enforced by the media. Same 'uniforms' of freedom of choice and sexuality can be seen everywhere in the world.
Even when you have the wealth of different cultures, languages and religions on one planet.
I would think that all the factions (the Gallente and the Minmatar included) are more uniform that we would care to think. Mainly because of the fact that all the factions seem to have perfected the tools of societal indoctrination to such an extent that bleed over from one culture to another is almost unheard of in New Eden.
There is not a single initiative in of peaceful cultural coexistence and integration that has not been curb stomped by the major factions.
In addition to CONCORD there is only Sisters of EVE that has a cluster wide cultural agenda that seems to override the aforementioned indoctrination of the factions.
So, the focus in the Gallente culture on sexuality and physical beauty is a tool of control of the population.
There is also the employment side of things, a society can create a lot of work from their population having a service industry that is revolving around fitness, beauty, well-being and entertainment.
A citizen that is concerned about being beautiful and in touch with the trends has no time to be politically active.
Which means that the corrupt power structure of the Federation can go unchanged and do whatever it damn pleases without the population interfering with it.
I believe that this is one of the reasons that the Gallente are perceived to be 'American', it is the tools of population control that are pretty much the same as in the global culture that we have in the real world.
Which might explain why this turned a bit ranty.
Of to catch brekkies. \o/
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The concept of variance within a faction is based on the notion that there is no 'global' culture that is constantly enforced on the minds of the citizens by the media.
In all the factions such indoctrination is present.
Even amongst a group of federated states, or a union of sovereign nations there is variance. Indeed even within a sovereign nation there are a range of different architectural styles, not forgetting legacy infrastructure.
As for individuals, sure there are common trends, for example in dress styles, but also those that buck the trend or change as styles do; again even difference within a sovereign entity.
Indeed it may be the case, as with most fictional entities, that the homogeneous nature of the different states is reinforced for ease of handling the setting however, I would still prefer variation within the planets of the Empire; let alone those outside it.
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Well, I am pretty convinced that english culture has a lot of - obvious - particular traits that widely differ from russian culture, american culture, or japanese culture, even in our globalized world. Try to change the country you live in and I bet you will soon see the difference : architecture, history, language, behavior, social memes, food, traditions, religion, fashion, laws, etc.
However, yes, we have a layer above all that which is more or less the same almost everywhere (consumer culture, etc) that constitutes our current world.
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Compare Edinburgh vs Aberdeen architecture, and this is in Scotland (not very big). Also...
Despite all this Foiritan is very much aware that being the leader of a democratic state, especially one as volatile as the Federation with all its ethnic, religious and economic differences, is a position built on quicksand.
Language will be the main contributing factor to diversity, since it's the first barrier within interaction. I interpret the Federation more leaning towards India in demographics rather than the US from that above quote.
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From the above quote, the Federation seems like a cheap Cartel knock off.
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From the above quote, the Federation seems like a cheap Cartel knock off.
Or perhaps, the Cartel is a cheap, lawless Federation knock off? It has after all, been around far longer.
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From the above quote, the Federation seems like a cheap Cartel knock off.
Or perhaps, the Cartel is a cheap, lawless Federation knock off? It has after all, been around far longer.
Why would an intergovernmental federation of at least 4-5 major civilizations (each dating back thousands of years, and ignoring the minor civilizations hinted at in the Slavery and Gallente religion wiki articles) be a knock-off of a pirate cartel that was founded only a century ago? It's a very obtuse interpretation of the PF all things considered.
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I think we can assume that Leo posits that comment as jest. If one assumes the most positive, optimistic case. Needless to say, all four Empires are pretty diverse places. I'd like to see all of us dig up four cityscapes or street level images and show ther parity with our view of the four main empires (or factions of our choosing). Maybe spring board a little backstage 'aesthetic parity' project looking into how we, individually, see the world of eve with regards to the aspects we rarely, if ever, get artwork for?
I can already see Dam Torsad as Vatican-meets-Dubai on a country-sized scale. Falconry might even be a highly skilled, middle class profession for some (see how Dubai is kept relatively clean and uneroded by Pidgeon droppings, and the men who enable that).
As for the first image posted, the kind of disparity shown in the AI film (and book more importantly) between districts for pleasure and districts for living, could easily enable that kind of blatant, unashamed borderline sexuality to exist in it's own microcosm within an otherwise more conservative, natural metropolis. I like the concept that the borders between Federation districts and neighborhoods are harder to define than most.
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Inb4 Gutterpress
"Cardinal Graelyn photographed prowling the Red Light District of Gallente Prime, no doubt hunting for young heathen entertainment for the night!"
"Scandalous!"
"The pictures, recently acquired from Gutter Press, shows the Cardinal and well-known Amarrian capsuleer about to enter an "adult leisure" boutique!"
"Sensational!"
"One young woman, 19, single, who's name asked be withheld was quoted saying this: "So, yeah, I was down on the street, yanno, just looking for something to do, maybe meet someone new. So, I was like, walking down the street, and I got this....contact request...in my personal comms hub, from this bald, really old pasty guy. It said "Male, older than dirt, man of the cloth". I was like...weirded out by the whole thing! I bet he was into whips and chains and stuff, just..eww."
"Outrageous!"
"Gutter Press will have more news as it develops!"
Im betting if the point of view trailed a bit to the left, you would see Esna pointing Graelyn to the adult leisure store.
You are not exactly helping maintain the charade that we're not the same person. :eek:
Nice pictures, Seriphyn.
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I think we can assume that Leo posits that comment as jest.
Sssshhhh. No spoilers, pls.