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Seriphyn

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Re: Elusenian government
« Reply #30 on: 19 Aug 2013, 05:22 »

  • Do homeowners own the land beneath their homes, or do they lease it from Elusenia? Does Elusenia retain eminent domain/compulsory purchase privilege even if the homeowners do own the land?
  • Has all housing already been built?  If so, "market value" may become a very interesting thing when supply no longer exceeds demand.
  • Can homeowners purchase/lease a plot of undeveloped land and build their own homes? If so, are they required to comply with Elusenian aesthetic/safety regulations? Can they use whatever private building contractor they please, or do they have to use one approved by the Elusenian government? Are there any private building contractors on Elusenia? (This could tie into the answer to the question "Did corporate employees physically build the colony, or was that outsourced?")
  • Are there mortgages on Elusenia? If so, can potential homeowners negotiate these via offworld financial institutions, or are they forced to finance their homes through the Elusenian government? (Speaking of things to consider:  does the Elusenian government also act as a bank/credit union to corporate citizens?)
  • Is homeownership tied to citizenship?  Will people lose their homes if they lose their Elusenian citizenship, even if they have paid in full/are current with any mortgage arrangements?  Can non-citizens purchase homes and/or enter into land-lease agreements?

I DO NOT KNOW THESE GROWN-UP THINGS /o\

So, I already posited that Elusenia owns all the land, but if you purchase a property, you 'own' that element of the corporation, as it is a cooperative. But maybe leasing as per the Caldari system would be more appropiate? Everyone jointly owns the corporation equally anyway? I'm beginning to think leasing/renting is more suitable.

A solution to losing one's job is that as long as you retain ownership/leasing of the property, you retain political franchise as well. If you can no longer maintain that, political franchise and citizenship is lost. Sort of a nod to the old republics/democracies where those with franchise would be landowners.
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Lyn Farel

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Re: Elusenian government
« Reply #31 on: 19 Aug 2013, 06:24 »

Why not creating subsidiaries for the cooperative ? You would have the mother megacorp above, with a lot of subsidiaries for everything in life, from Elusenian Estates to Elusenian Foodstuff, Elusenian Shoes, Elusenian Garbage and so on...

That way, when you purchase your little piece of home, you do not purchase the land, you do not purchase the house, and people would be rather "meh" to see that they just rent them. Add more value to that by making them able to purchase shares of "Elusenian Estates" (or whatever it can be called) and thus gain a little power in exchange for their money.

It's the same principle you already have with voting rights. You are an elusenian citizen, you own a few shares of the mother corp, you can vote. You "own" a restaurant of the Elusenian HaveAGoodMeal Company(tm), thus you own a few shares of that subsidiary as well, and it makes you able to have a shareholder power over all the foodchain with all the other people owning restaurants and relatd stuff (thus, a food collective).
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Seriphyn

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Re: Elusenian government
« Reply #32 on: 19 Aug 2013, 07:12 »

Right, I was thinking that the day to day would run primarily through subsidiaries. This can also help provide the framework for entrepreneurship. So when you buy a house, you're buying shares in that subsidiary? Or should the subsidiaries be cooperatives as well? (Ie. One max vote regardless of how many shares)

While the main Elusenian entity is a cooperative, thus all stakeholders are equal, the subsidiaries might not be. Maybe syndicates and unions is a solution too.

Admittedly, my retardness with this subject combined with a light language barrier means I may be missing what you're saying.
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Re: Elusenian government
« Reply #33 on: 19 Aug 2013, 13:11 »

That's mostly it.
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Re: Elusenian government
« Reply #34 on: 24 Aug 2013, 15:18 »

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Elusenia

wikipage has lots of stuff now
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