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Casiella

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On veterans and bitterness
« on: 09 Jul 2012, 19:13 »

With EVE now 9 years old, many players have been playing this game longer than my daughter's been alive. Some started playing in high school and have already graduated college. The game itself has evolved tremendously even in the ~5 years since I began playing. And so we have the much-discussed "bittervet" syndrome, in which players who have been :psyccp: for so long finally reach the point of :bash:.

This is a frustrating thing because, when we reach that point, we literally become the worst thing about EVE. Not CCP's occasional and undeniable bonehead moves, but our vitriol and anger leach out and into the air (well, space) around us, poisoning everything they touch.

Conversely, the best thing about EVE are the newbies. Not the n00bs who are everyone's bane, but newbies with the right attitude to enjoy the game and the universe but have only recently gotten here.

There are a few solutions to BVS.

  • Quit. There's nothing shameful about deciding that you've grown away from EVE, done all you want to do, and moving on to something else. A number of well-loved players have done this, either into another MMORPG or out of the genre completely. This often happens when RL intercedes, too, due to financial constraints or family responsibilities.
  • Find something new in-game. Not everyone can do this, but think about all the bits that EVE has to offer. Maybe you've typically focused on a particular area and have never dug into, say, sovereignty warfare or market PVP or living in W-space or whatever. If you're on this site, you almost certainly roleplay already, but for some people that's the cure.
  • Teach newbies. Go find some enthusiastic and intelligent newcomers and roll with them. Maybe even create a new character. Go run level 1 missions together or prowl low-sec in Merlins or explore cosmic anomalies. Even mining is fun here because everyone's spending their time figuring out how it works in a low-risk environment and socializing. Seeing the game through "fresh" eyes can do remarkable things.
  • Evolve from "bittervet" to "Buddhavet". AKA the "Silver Night Path". Let the frustration wash over you and pass through you until you emerge from it implacable and unworried, just enjoying the corners of EVE that still appeal to you and not getting :evil: about a game.

Whatever you do, remember the MST3K Mantra:
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Ken

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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #1 on: 09 Jul 2012, 19:17 »

5. Get hired by CCP and fix the storyline.
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #2 on: 09 Jul 2012, 19:21 »

Work faster, Ken, work faster.

Casiella

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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #3 on: 09 Jul 2012, 19:23 »

Or just push them to promote Dropbear.

Seriously.
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Matariki Rain

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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #4 on: 09 Jul 2012, 19:25 »

Dropbear went back to them?
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Casiella

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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #5 on: 09 Jul 2012, 19:26 »

100% confirmed, he works for CCP again (as a GM but still).
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #6 on: 09 Jul 2012, 22:14 »

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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #7 on: 10 Jul 2012, 05:14 »

 :o I haven't seen Interstella in almost ten years.
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #8 on: 10 Jul 2012, 07:32 »

100% confirmed, he works for CCP again (as a GM but still).

Where did you hear this?
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Casiella

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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #9 on: 10 Jul 2012, 07:52 »

From CCP Manifest directly.
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #10 on: 10 Jul 2012, 08:32 »

i loled with the buddhavet term

now i have set myself a new goal, attain evelightment!
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #11 on: 11 Jul 2012, 02:59 »

During my time in the Summit, I have (covertly) licked a number of bittervets and have come to the conclusion that they aren't half as bitter as we've been lead to believe. I'll continue my research and inform you of the results.
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #12 on: 11 Jul 2012, 03:02 »

Before creating Kala, and starting RP, I very nearly descended into the realm of the bittervets. Luckily, finding some great people in the RP community may have put that off for a few years  :D
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #13 on: 11 Jul 2012, 03:04 »

I started Eve as a BitterNoob: everything good happened before I started.
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Re: On veterans and bitterness
« Reply #14 on: 11 Jul 2012, 05:39 »

Hey, think of me. I missed the cool stuff by starting in... 2010, I think? ._.

I should probably try and make the transition to Buddhavet at some point -- but wow, that's hard. Not getting too badly bent out of shape just leads to my adoption of a fairly unmotivated stance.
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