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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Seriphyn on 21 Sep 2010, 12:04
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http://www.eveonline.com/incursion/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=update&utm_campaign=incursion
NEW PORTRAITS BEST FEATURE K
New Sansha mothership and fighterbomber is cool
Wondering what the new visuals will be.
Wondering what new AI will be
Wondering what storyline events will be.
Also, am bothered with the incursions...no matter how much the defenders retaliate, they are always successful...I brought it up here...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1379080
With enough time, Sansha will kidnap enough to seriously damage worldbuilding...there'll be "empty Estigones" everywhere...
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I demand angel motherships! Nao!
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I'd rather fly fighter-bombers directly.
You know you want to.
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NEW PORTRAITS BEST FEATURE K
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Yes, yes, yes!
Overall, I'm looking forward to what they throw out at us, but, what I'm interested in seeing is what type of improvements are made to the NPCs and their AI; it's possible that they might use the Sleeper AI. Hopefully.
And yes, as Nikita said, different faction stuff aswell, but I guess we can expect that at some other point in time.
Also, your point about nothing left to defend, Seri. I doubt they'll let that happen, although...
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And yes, as Nikita said, different faction stuff aswell, but I guess we can expect that at some other point in time.
"We've built a framework that will allow us to easily add more content and features in the future. We're looking forward to future iterations on this exciting addition to EVE! Oh, and it will be awesome!"
Yeah, yeah.
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So, nothing new except a name and a release month.
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My chief and primary concern with this is how badly the incursions are going to get farmed, and whether or not they can actually stop a player attack or are simply "Welp enough people are here, obviously we'll get rolled inevitably".
In regards to stopping population thieving: This will probably be addressed (or ignored by the wider playerbase as RP wankery) so that the Sansha are not stripping whole worlds of life. Granted, considering the number of NPC ships destroyed monthly probably exceeds the total human population in EVE...
I imagine the Sansha will have to employ pyrrhic methods for their inevitable repulsion. If the civilians are carried to the mothership, which is then destroyed, then all those civilians are dead. The Sansha have been repulsed, but the Empires have lost their citizens.
A fair trade off since it does not seem intended for Coalition/Nation loyal capsuleer fighting to go on. (Look, stealth pirate faction warfare introduction! σ_σ )
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Wondering what new AI will be
If that means more challenging NPCs and fewer numbers, i'm sold
Wondering what storyline events will be.
That sounds like an evolution of the live events concept, much like the "campaign" modes i was suggesting long ago.
I am however very very worried with the new "loot" and the PI improvements.
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My chief and primary concern with this is how badly the incursions are going to get farmed, and whether or not they can actually stop a player attack or are simply "Welp enough people are here, obviously we'll get rolled inevitably".
In regards to stopping population thieving: This will probably be addressed (or ignored by the wider playerbase as RP wankery) so that the Sansha are not stripping whole worlds of life. Granted, considering the number of NPC ships destroyed monthly probably exceeds the total human population in EVE...
I imagine the Sansha will have to employ pyrrhic methods for their inevitable repulsion. If the civilians are carried to the mothership, which is then destroyed, then all those civilians are dead. The Sansha have been repulsed, but the Empires have lost their citizens.
A fair trade off since it does not seem intended for Coalition/Nation loyal capsuleer fighting to go on. (Look, stealth pirate faction warfare introduction! σ_σ )
I'm hoping the factions will be put on a 'war footing'...ie. if the invasions will be drawn out over a week, then the empires will also, similarly, deploy such forces in this regard, but will still follow the tactic of "we defend planetside and orbit, capsuleer attack in space". Perhaps the focus will not be on kidnapping people at all, in fact, maybe the kidnapping things right now is just to prepare for their more 'grand attack' things. so no more kidnapping!
I'm still rather pissy that Lirsautton V, a major Federation homeworld, had no planetside defence =/
But yeah, hoping that's what happens. And hopefully the threat of Sansha is not increased to the point that FW begins "foolishness"...ie. why should my character continue to fight Caldari if Sansha are the bigger threat? I like the GAllente-Caldari conflict.
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My prime concern around the incursions remains that those already with power - i.e., nullsec and other large alliances - will bring overhwhelming power to bear on these incursions, snapping up the shiny new motherships and fighter bombers, without really leaving much for the rest of EVE. Yes, I realise it's important for CCP to cater to nullsec alliances as well, but this kind of free-for-all fight seems somewhat... ill-thought-out.
Aside from that... portraits look interesting, AI and visual changes could be nice as well, and finally, obligatory "want fixes for broken old content, pls."
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Considering that the PvE crowd has absolutely NO use for a mothership...I fear you might be right Esna. CCP did an entire expansion that hasn't affected me at all in Dec 09, ie. Dominion, so this time they're doing something for the empire lot...
However, the people they are catering to will mostly not even have the ability or resources to make a mothership, considering you need sovereignty...
o\
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You needed sov in the past. Whether that continues to be true remains an open question. And, personally, I'd love to get my hands on a mothership BPC even if I can't build it, because somebody like the NC would pay excellent ISK for it.
Nullsec alliances have limited resources and they must choose where and how to deploy them. If you send a significant fleet of pilots to respond to a Sansha incursion, those pilots aren't defending your home turf. This means you may have to deal with raids from your enemies out there.
However, somebody like (say) Electus Matari would be in a better position to respond to an incursion in Heimatar, as their fleet is closer and they don't have to protect sov anyplace.
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I'll echo what Casiella said. We really don't know what the new motherships will be. Since the new supercarriers basically dumped the logistics side of their role, maybe the new motherships will take that up, with clone bays and corp hangers.
Here's some complete speculation, but maybe it will be like the Jovian motherships were hinted at in the chrons, more a mobile station than a ship. Maybe it could be some sort of mobile POS, fly to where you want it, then eject in your pod and it becomes a pos, complete with shield. Maybe it would have limited manufacturing facilities and everything, or use it as a tower and set up modules around it. Then if it gets attacked and put into reinforced, maybe you can make it a ship again pull in all the modules and fly away before the second attack comes in. I think that would be very useful to the PvE crowd, your own manufacturing facility in deep space, even if it was limited to low sec, it would still be easier to protect than a POS.
Anyway, I guess we'll see.
NOT STEALTH EDIT:
Just had an idea, which probably isn't going to happen, but...
What if Sansha motherships can generate wormholes. And with a quick hop into wormhole space, you can go from Jita to Amarr in one jump. Even throwing on limits like, can only do to sub capital ships, one so much mass, etc, it would still be completely awesome.
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I have nothing to contribute to this thread, other than this:
The day we stop complaining about every single free expansion is the day a utopia society is created.
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See, Eve is my first and only MMO. Are you suggesting that other MMOs charge you money when they upgrade the game as well as charging you money every month?
That just seems... greedy.
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Ulphus, many MMOs provide expansions as optional content, and force you to purchase said expansion to get access to the new content, in addition to paying the subscription.
Though in those games, the 'optional' consideration is often total crap, as you damn near always need the new stuff to stay competitive.
Yet one more reason EvE is the best MMO out there.
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Yes, but to be fair, other MMOGs regularly add significant new content for free without labeling everything as an expansion.
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I came across a thread in EVE fiction (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387961) for those who wish to voice their thoughts on player Sansha involvement in the expansion.
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I came across a thread in EVE fiction (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387961) for those who wish to voice their thoughts on player Sansha involvement in the expansion.
signed on Arci, will sign on Nikita after it logs me out.
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Just had an idea, which probably isn't going to happen, but...
What if Sansha motherships can generate wormholes. And with a quick hop into wormhole space, you can go from Jita to Amarr in one jump. Even throwing on limits like, can only do to sub capital ships, one so much mass, etc, it would still be completely awesome.
The hell with that. I want wormhole weapons (http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/Gadabout_album/Farscape/WormholeWeapon.jpg).
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Just had an idea, which probably isn't going to happen, but...
What if Sansha motherships can generate wormholes. And with a quick hop into wormhole space, you can go from Jita to Amarr in one jump. Even throwing on limits like, can only do to sub capital ships, one so much mass, etc, it would still be completely awesome.
The hell with that. I want wormhole weapons (http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/Gadabout_album/Farscape/WormholeWeapon.jpg).
yeh, open one end of wormhole in front of battlefleet, open other end at heart of a sun, open one end inside a planet, open other end in deep space.
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Just had an idea, which probably isn't going to happen, but...
What if Sansha motherships can generate wormholes. And with a quick hop into wormhole space, you can go from Jita to Amarr in one jump. Even throwing on limits like, can only do to sub capital ships, one so much mass, etc, it would still be completely awesome.
The hell with that. I want wormhole weapons (http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/Gadabout_album/Farscape/WormholeWeapon.jpg).
yeh, open one end of wormhole in front of battlefleet, open other end at heart of a sun, open one end inside a planet, open other end in deep space.
(http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/trail3/18-t.jpg)
Wheeee!
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LIVE LONG AND PROSPER!
I laughed, honestly.
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Awesome.
(Although I don't want any Winona Ryder deaths in my EVE.)
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Awesome.
(Although I don't want any Winona Ryder deaths in my EVE.)
Well, at least you couldn't say she can't take anymore (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1710311.stm).
Wakka, wakka!
Yes, I know I'm a bad person.
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I hate you.
;) :P <3
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I came across a thread in EVE fiction (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387961) for those who wish to voice their thoughts on player Sansha involvement in the expansion.
We got our answer (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1388626&page=5#143)
Well, here's to hoping they at least give us some Sansha accessories for our new avatars.
Or something spikey.
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I came across a thread in EVE fiction (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387961) for those who wish to voice their thoughts on player Sansha involvement in the expansion.
We got our answer (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1388626&page=5#143)
Well, here's to hoping they at least give us some Sansha accessories for our new avatars.
Or something spikey.
But....
that means Soter wins....
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I came across a thread in EVE fiction (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387961) for those who wish to voice their thoughts on player Sansha involvement in the expansion.
We got our answer (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1388626&page=5#143)
Well, here's to hoping they at least give us some Sansha accessories for our new avatars.
Or something spikey.
Success!
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I came across a thread in EVE fiction (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387961) for those who wish to voice their thoughts on player Sansha involvement in the expansion.
We got our answer (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1388626&page=5#143)
Well, here's to hoping they at least give us some Sansha accessories for our new avatars.
Or something spikey.
Success!
But Senn, you don't understand. Soter wins.
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I came across a thread in EVE fiction (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387961) for those who wish to voice their thoughts on player Sansha involvement in the expansion.
We got our answer (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1388626&page=5#143)
Well, here's to hoping they at least give us some Sansha accessories for our new avatars.
Or something spikey.
Success!
But Senn, you don't understand. Soter wins.
Yes, that's a damn shame. But its still the lesser of two evils. Sanshas stole Caldari citizens. I don't think you understand the gravity of that.
DEY TOOK ARR CITIZENS! >:O
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you're a pirate Senn look at the angel's standings with the state. You're not supposed to care.
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you're a pirate Senn look at the angel's standings with the state. You're not supposed to care.
Pfft.
Caldari pride forever. I'm a criminal out of necessity.
You gotta learn some patriotism. >:U
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you're a pirate Senn look at the angel's standings with the state. You're not supposed to care.
Pfft.
Caldari pride forever. I'm a criminal out of necessity.
You gotta learn some patriotism. >:U
I'm patriotic to the group I claim to support
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you're a pirate Senn look at the angel's standings with the state. You're not supposed to care.
Pfft.
Caldari pride forever. I'm a criminal out of necessity.
You gotta learn some patriotism. >:U
I'm patriotic to the group I claim to support
Looks like we're gonna have to go through this one more time...
<Drags out the Senn Typhos chalkboard diagram.>
This is a Senn. He requires money to eat, buy guns and ammo, keep his ship in working order, and feed his dog. Furthermore, he is a Caldari. Which means money gets him frisky. In the pants.
Therefore, the Senn needs money. The Senn finds money, and the Senn takes that money.
Nearly everything else is details.
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The best policy right now is to wait and see, really. This could mark the end of the Sansha arc and lead into the next one (judging by how the Liberty pills plot bunnies have been going). It could mark another step in the Sansha arc with the Incursions just being a feature alongside it.
I've been pondering if this will set a bad precedent for future events or not, given the seeming hopelessness the Sansha loyalist side has. Maybe it's because of our small size they decided to keep the majority of the events in highsec, or it was planned the entire time with the lowsec ones just being a test... so on. I'm not sure. It felt more like the system of EVE's mechanics was our enemy more than any player group.
Edit; Nikita, if anyone won this it'd be the people who will be farming the incursions for the phat lewtz™, not particularly we loyalists or soter's coalition. There's nothing definitive enough to even resemble one side's victory. (I could be a llama and claim we win because our infinite Nation will continue to pilfer the Empires, but that'd be a llama tactic.)
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I cannot say that I am surprised for the lack of option to side with the pirate NPCs; CCP has never gone into great depths to provide content for players who want to turn against the empires (speaking as one of the first Blood Raider supporters in The Bleak Lands).
There are plenty of options for those who hunt the pirates to get their hands on fancy pirate tech while those who support the pirates get peanuts. There are many of examples of this that I am sure you are already aware of.
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I've been pondering if this will set a bad precedent for future events or not, given the seeming hopelessness the Sansha loyalist side has.
Interesting.
The few incursions I've been to (for some reason CCP hates my time zone) have felt like it didn't matter what the defenders did, and thus was pretty hopeless.
But I have wondered what the Sansha supporters get out of it, since it's not obvious to me that they have much affect on the outcome either.
One of the things that piss me off about it actually, is that despite the OOC ambivalence about showing up to GM-show-off events over which I don't think I have any influence, IC I sort of have to if I find out about them if I want to stay true to the character.
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I've been pondering if this will set a bad precedent for future events or not, given the seeming hopelessness the Sansha loyalist side has.
Interesting.
The few incursions I've been to (for some reason CCP hates my time zone) have felt like it didn't matter what the defenders did, and thus was pretty hopeless.
But I have wondered what the Sansha supporters get out of it, since it's not obvious to me that they have much affect on the outcome either.
One of the things that piss me off about it actually, is that despite the OOC ambivalence about showing up to GM-show-off events over which I don't think I have any influence, IC I sort of have to if I find out about them if I want to stay true to the character.
A little of column a, little of column b.
We loyalists have an effect on the turn out of the incursion from our mere presence on the field, I've found. Circumstantial evidence with the turnout of the incursions none of us were at, versus the ones we were at, indicate this. If this is true, then we do affect the number of people abducted, and even have helped to coordinate wormhole bubble drops on enemies (Odatrik for example).
However, in high sec, what we can actually do is very limited. We normally go after war targets, or ninja loot the people who die, or sometimes go for the people we have kill rights on. Whenever one of the Navy or CONCORD actors show up we dog pile them because it's pretty much the only thing we can kill as a group. We preach it up in local, regular PR mouthpieces like me go off but some of our attending members never bother because they think it's pointless, etc...
Lowsec is entirely different in my mind, because how our incursions turn out is a direct result of our participation even more so. There is no CONCORD preventing us, no mechanical system we can't bypass, so to everyone (I presume) it feels like we have a much greater impact. Our small numbers can't fight the uber blob, but we can definitely buy time as much as possible with harassment.
We definitely have sway in certain aspects, and our efforts overall have helped to drive the Sansha PR machine (possibly develop it more as a faction?) so there are things we have gained from this. However, there are those that wish they could do more than preach in highsec. Ninja diving to steal people's remains can only go so far ;)
Also, maybe I am being off topic by focusing on the live events and not the incursion expansion? (although I have trouble differentiating the two)
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You're all thinking about this too much. CCP doesn't want Sansha to win, and won't, because it would affect the core gameplay too much. Empires remain empires, that's how they'll always be. Nation is meant to stur up some drama, then it'll fade back.
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This, tbh. It's in CCP's interest to get folks interested, and the vast majority of players (unfortunately) will want to defeat teh ebul zombie robots. So they just want to prolong things without actually upsetting the balance of power. See also: factional warfare.
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That I'm well aware of, so it is not trying to get my faction to win that I care about. Really, it's getting out the frustrations of what we've encountered and hoping for CCP takes the problems to heart. Maybe I handled everything wrong, maybe the people who I managed to acquire came with the wrong expectations, perhaps CCP faltered on not talking enough with everyone involved (coalition & loyalist), so on.
Edit: To be clear, I have gained a lot from these events and I am very satisfied on a personal level with what I have done as a roleplayer. I make a point of highlighting these issues for the people I work with because I think making it known will help future live events later on to avoid these problems.
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I'm with ya, man. I hope to see future stuff for other factions, too, you know. ;)
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I'm waiting for EVE Online: Statecraft, in which the New Eden Assembly is at the focus of player events.
I will then sell my character to CCP for a trillion ISK.
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You're all thinking about this too much. CCP doesn't want Sansha to win
Win what? EVE?
Sansha could definitely achieve their goals without "winning" or "losing" for either side I think. I'm just waiting for CCP to get on with it and stop dragging it out like a bad anime series. /o\
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You're all thinking about this too much. CCP doesn't want Sansha to win
Win what? EVE?
Sansha could definitely achieve their goals without "winning" or "losing" for either side I think. I'm just waiting for CCP to get on with it and stop dragging it out like a bad anime series. /o\
Now, now. Everything can be explained by the director in charge of Sansha plot development, Mr. Masashi Sogo
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/47/Bleach_plot_lines.JPG
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:cry:
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Now I just need to get one of the BPC's (Caldari Carrier 5 checking in, will train Amarr carrier 5 also)