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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => CCP Public Library => Topic started by: V. Gesakaarin on 07 Dec 2013, 10:34
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So I was looking at the in-game model of the Stratios and saw that it had a "Propel Dynamics" logo. Investigating further I got the description of the corporation:
Propel Dynamics was founded by the team that discovered the first functional warp drive for short jumps within a system. Though it has never managed to live up to its early expectation the company has always turned out innovative and interesting designs that have driven the field of propulsion forward.
Which seemed to match this bit:
And lastly, an ingenious but cryptic transfer in part of the warp core functionality to an outlying cylindrical structure means the Stratios is able to run certain higher-level cloaking functions with very little technical cost, and minimal interference from warp. The Sisters of EVE have refused to comment on this technology, other than to recommend it not be tampered with.
Then I looked at the Stratios warp ring and it has: Chemal Tech, Eifyr and Co. and Zero G Research firm. So I'm wondering now what sort of super shady corporate shenanigans the SOE has been involved with to build their spaceships involving:
- Propel Dynamics a Caldari warp drive R&D firm
- Eifyr and Co. a shady krusual R&D firm suspected of making boosters
- Chemal Tech an Gallente electronics and EWAR manufacturer
- Zero G Research a Caldari habitat module supplier
Outsourced the research, design, and manufacture to the above by funneling some of their charitable donations or is there something more to it?
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Sanctuary are the people who actually developed the ships, not SoE corp. So, yes... plenty of shady dealings.
Propel Dynamics made the warp ring, so you're spot on there. Zero-G likely made the modular rescue habs that can be jettisoned. Eiyfer & Co do lots of tech work other than boosters, so no telling there. Chemal Tech, ehh... probably the hacking bonuses there.
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They should have also renamed the Stratios something more like Stratios GTR Evo Sport edition with all the corporate sponsors it has on it.
Maybe put some carbon fibre body kit and neon running lights too.
But yeah, it seems like there's a very interesting story behind the Stratios and the Astero development project.
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They should have also renamed the Stratios something more like Stratios GTR Evo Sport edition with all the corporate sponsors it has on it.
Maybe put some carbon fibre body kit and neon running lights too.
But yeah, it seems like there's a very interesting story behind the Stratios and the Astero development project.
I think more ships should have development branding on them, especially T1 ships.
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They should have also renamed the Stratios something more like Stratios GTR Evo Sport edition with all the corporate sponsors it has on it.
Maybe put some carbon fibre body kit and neon running lights too.
But yeah, it seems like there's a very interesting story behind the Stratios and the Astero development project.
I think more ships should have development branding on them, especially T1 ships.
Don't we have that breakdown somewhere for the Wyvern or Chimera?
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They should have also renamed the Stratios something more like Stratios GTR Evo Sport edition with all the corporate sponsors it has on it.
Maybe put some carbon fibre body kit and neon running lights too.
But yeah, it seems like there's a very interesting story behind the Stratios and the Astero development project.
I think more ships should have development branding on them, especially T1 ships.
Don't we have that breakdown somewhere for the Wyvern or Chimera?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S07zqyWByF8&list=PL989256B68D78EC0E
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They should have also renamed the Stratios something more like Stratios GTR Evo Sport edition with all the corporate sponsors it has on it.
Maybe put some carbon fibre body kit and neon running lights too.
But yeah, it seems like there's a very interesting story behind the Stratios and the Astero development project.
I think more ships should have development branding on them, especially T1 ships.
That would be really cool. I'd like to see more 'civilian' looking ships in general.
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There's a Carthum Conglomerate logo on/near the engine housing too, by the way.
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Propel and Zero-G are Kaalakiota subsidiaries.
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Propel and Zero-G are Kaalakiota subsidiaries.
So guys, I'm not the only one that remembers how that whole Templis Dragonaurs fleet Tibus Heth was in yeah? The one that was sort of... probed down, shot at with lasers, and the guys who did it just disappeared as suddenly as they came like they had some sort of cloaking devices? :twisted:
edit: Is it wrong for me to imagine Haatakan Oiritsuu, in some Stratios prototype corporate G6 edition with Tibus Heth in the fancy modular CSAR bay all banged up, grinning at him while whispering, "See, I have you now motherfucker. Let me she you my garden dear."?
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"racecar.." "STOP READING MY MIND ;)
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Propel and Zero-G are Kaalakiota subsidiaries.
So guys, I'm not the only one that remembers how that whole Templis Dragonaurs fleet Tibus Heth was in yeah? The one that was sort of... probed down, shot at with lasers, and the guys who did it just disappeared as suddenly as they came like they had some sort of cloaking devices? :twisted:
edit: Is it wrong for me to imagine Haatakan Oiritsuu, in some Stratios prototype corporate G6 edition with Tibus Heth in the fancy modular CSAR bay all banged up, grinning at him while whispering, "See, I have you now motherfucker. Let me she you my garden dear."?
I take it then, that the story line folks didn't finish the job by getting rid of of Oiritsuu too.
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Oiritsuu is an original Kaalakiota badass that trolls every katana wielding Caldari honour-fiend with her sociopathic tendencies and penchant for gardening. :lol:
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edit: Is it wrong for me to imagine Haatakan Oiritsuu, in some Stratios prototype corporate G6 edition with Tibus Heth in the fancy modular CSAR bay all banged up, grinning at him while whispering, "See, I have you now motherfucker. Let me she you my garden dear."?
Nah, not wrong. It's a possibility and certainly not the most far fetched of the many out there. It sort of overlooks the fact that while Kk contributed some parts any Stratios prototype would actually be Sanctuary produced (and property) and that the Stratios is the ship it is because it's the the sum of all its parts not just the KK ones. Still a good theory though.
To put an extra tin-foil hat into the theory-crafting, the system where Heth's fleet was first sighted sits adjacent to Cloud Ring nullsec, from memory. I think SoE holds a few systems in central Cloud Ring doesn't it, not too many jumps from the border with Black Rise.
SoE have a few subsidiary functions - one of which is medical research, which might be interested in Heth's illness.
What if (as you suggest) it was a Stratios prototype that collected him later that same week, just not one piloted by the usual empire or pirate faction suspects?
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Outsourced the research, design, and manufacture to the above by funneling some of their charitable donations or is there something more to it?
More likely they used their connections to acquire experimental designs from various pirate/independent factions, and then made deals with external manufacturers inside the Empires with the resources to finish the development. For instance, the drive ring was probably acquired from the Intaki (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ante_(Chronicle)).
Sanctuary has very fascinating objectives (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Burning_Life_(Novel)), and as the old saying goes, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts." Capsuleers lead the charge in wormhole space but are at odds with The Sanctuary's core goal of protecting humanity (Capsuleers are destroyers blah blah blah). So if they give anything to capsuleers it's for mutual benefit.
Why would Sanctuary/SoE be the ones to distribute this technology? With the war, using technology from competing powers is not feasible for any single manufacturer. Working together through an intermediary (SoE), they stand to make a profit by selling to as many customers as possible. Since none of the manufacturers are making the entire item themselves, their risk is minimal.
From a business standpoint, it makes sense for the manufacturers to agree to the deal. They get access to tech they don't normally have available. From SoE's perspective, they're profiting from the use of Capsuleers to further their goals. The pirates/independents are probably making a pretty penny as well as making new connections they can use to their advantage at a later date.
Win/win any way you look at it, and it makes sense in the context of the setting. Here's hoping CCP doesn't ruin it by trying to explain things in more "realistic detail".
:psyccp:
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So guys, I'm not the only one that remembers how that whole Templis Dragonaurs fleet Tibus Heth was in yeah? The one that was sort of... probed down, shot at with lasers, and the guys who did it just disappeared as suddenly as they came like they had some sort of cloaking devices? :twisted:
I admit this thought passed through my head as soon as the stats for the Astero/Stratios became public. I also went back and checked where Heth had vanished from, coming to a similar conclusion to Ollie above. If this is true, it turns all of our rage and griping about Heth being Sansha'd into an impressive meta-level troll on the part of both CCP and the Sisters.
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Oiritsuu is an original Kaalakiota badass that trolls every katana wielding Caldari honour-fiend with her sociopathic tendencies and penchant for gardening. :lol:
If you ignore the part where she changed Kaalakiota's mission from making sure the State had the strongest economy, most advanced weapons, best trained military and preserved it's culture against the influence of the other Empires into a caricature of Omni Consumer Products. She's Doctor Evil with boobs and gardening shears.
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I have always thought Oiritsuu is a great character because she's just this cynical and Machiavellan type of Caldari leader inured to all the top level corporate realpolitik. Then again, I didn't mind Heth either because it's just RP and I'm fine with reacting to situations as they happen - not playing my chosen faction has to be the best ever.
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We get it. You like bad guys. :P :cube:
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Well I didn't think Anton Chigurh in No Country for Old Men or Keyser Soze in The Usual Suspects were bad guys as much as just clever and interesting types of characters.
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this is one of those little gems i love about Backstage, when someone notices something and starts weaving the meta-plot that CCP supposedly made for "us"
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Re: SOE ships. Interestingly, the high-res shot of the Nestor here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wza1xux7ql2m3jp/SOE_Nestor_Battleship_FinalConcept_lrg.png) points at the ring as 'ZG technology.' However, my guess is that's an artist's random note, and not from the lore gurus. Given that ZG is listed as a habitat producer, it definitely makes a lot more sense that Propel Dynamics is the one responsible for the novel warp system-- especially seeing as the name is plastered in a bunch of places on the Stratios, while the ZG logo is much more thin on the ground.
Re: Oiritsuu, Chigurh, and Keyser Soze. Chigurh and Keyser Soze are amazing! But they're mostly intended as foils for the protagonist, sort of a force-of-nature antagonist whose existence provides the driving force of the plot without necessarily providing a dynamic or human antagonist. Oiritsuu-- and I say this having read Wild Earth, Templar One, and the Empyrean Age --is painted as a sadistic genius whose plans span years and entrap lesser mortals. The thing is-- well. She just comes across as this notion of a sadistic genius, a shell of grimdark character whose macabre tendencies serve as a vehicle for TonyG's painful attempts at lurid, provocative prose. This is probably more my reaction to TonyG's writing than the idea of Oiritsuu as a character, though.
Really, I'm just hoping that the current slowdown of in-game news is because Eterne & Co are busy writing the EVE Source book.
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Really, I'm just hoping that the current slowdown of in-game news is because Eterne & Co are busy writing the EVE Source book.
My thought excactly. Which I will be on the looksie on Fanfest.
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Oiritsuu-- and I say this having read Wild Earth, Templar One, and the Empyrean Age --is painted as a sadistic genius whose plans span years and entrap lesser mortals. The thing is-- well. She just comes across as this notion of a sadistic genius, a shell of grimdark character whose macabre tendencies serve as a vehicle for TonyG's painful attempts at lurid, provocative prose. This is probably more my reaction to TonyG's writing than the idea of Oiritsuu as a character, though.
What makes me laugh is that the two chronicles that make mention of Oiritsuu, one is written by Abraxes and one is written by Falcon where the portrayal of the woman differs greatly in my view than with TonyG. The same goes for how Tibus Heth was written in the chronicles by Abraxes or the CCP storyline team compared to TonyG. Just because TonyG is a terrible writer doesn't mean the rest of the CCP story team are.
Then again, sometimes I think RP'ers are the sort of people who'd read Othello and complain bitterly that Iago is just a grimdark, moustache twirling villain that lacks any sort of depth of character, without realizing that without him there wouldn't be a play in the first place.
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Pretty much any sentence containing the word "just" is a massive oversimplification at best, and at worst a complete lie.
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You're just saying that!
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I'm not entirely sure how anyone's supposed to take him seriously when he's not a parrot voiced by Gilbert Gottfried.
It's kind of immersion-breaking.