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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE Character Development => Topic started by: Cynthia Gallente on 01 Feb 2013, 16:26
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Cynthia Gallente
Awful things happen to her. It makes me laugh and cry.
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TCMCs are weird things :o
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Also...not sure if I'm doing it right but I'm trying to have fun doing it
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It's your character, there is no "doinitwrong" regarding your own character, especially if the background is something you actually reflect in your roleplay.
Cynthia has a very unique background, I certainly wouldn't have thought of it, so props for that. :)
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Well thank you!
But there is doing it wrong in terms of lore and such, i wanna make sure i am not screwing things up there... too much
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/me licks
Hai dere!
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Haiiii Ava! Thanks for stopping by!
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I was wondering...is there a landing pad near the bridge, did you lie to Ché, or is your backstory not up to date?
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fixed some plotholes.
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(post omitted)
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Yeah I need to go through and do an overhaul on the bio here.
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I enjoyed chatting with your character a bit last night. Brain chips are awesome and we need more characters with them. :P
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Major rewrite starting.
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So long and thanks for the fish.
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Hmm, do I want to know what happened? :|
Anyway, your welcome. :cube:
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Hmm, do I want to know what happened? :|
Anyway, your welcome. :cube:
Not really!
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There isn't an :indifferent: option on the poll :(
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Everything you said about the RP community being insular is true BUT it is very possible to make a little room in there for yourself provided you take things at a reasonable pace, talk only as often as you listen and keep the dramallamas to a minimum.
I've never felt that the bittervets sneer at me, even if they sometimes sneer a little bit at my character - but only IN character (at least as far as I know!).
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I can't say that I've ever felt excluded from the RP scene for OOC reasons.
If anything, the RP peeps in EVE are very friendly and welcoming.
Though that can leave to newbies being a bit more trusting/open than someone ought to be in EVE.
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I never got to interact with you and I am sorry to see another RPer leave the scene. If you decide to come back just remember there is no such thing as you are doing it wrong, and you should not care what 'most' of these people think of you it will just lead to stressful situations.
Have fun out there and be sure to kick some ass.
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*reads thread with red, puffy eyes.* I got you a gallon of tears for the road. *hugs* Cynthia is a great character, and I, and Evelyn, have enjoyed rping with you.
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Closing thoughts.
The eve rp community is a very insular thing.
People are more than happy to pile on and make other feels bad.
People would rather stomp out a good rp'r than work with them, perhaps this is a bit of jealousy?
I bid you welcome to the true nature of the EVE RP community. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006vm6j)
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Regardless of the RP and/or meta-RP crime, it is very disappointing to hear the departure of a community member. At the end of the day, this is the adult version of pretend and very little related to that justifies the driving out of a member no matter their standing.
Unfortunately, you are correct about the nature of the RP community, and like social interactions IRL, there's not much logic or consistency to it. The rules of the game are mostly arbitrary, alas. I have noticed that the RP community as a composite entity (rather than individuals) has a general inability to consider the opposing side in any sort of episodes of drama. Like with most of the Internet, there's an echo chamber effect where someone or something is unequivocally reduced to an objective of collective hate, something to rally around so that everyone may agree with one another and reinforce their social bonds.
Just look at what happens to YouTube comments that are unpopular. They're flagged as spam. As with YouTube or Reddit, the EVE RP community plays by the same rules. Conform or fight an uphill battle.
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Oh, yes. The EVE RP community is in no way different from any other gathering of humans and their opaque and contradictionary social rules, cliques, stupid fashions, and general toxic bullshit. It's one of the reasons I settled on an avatar wearing a gas mask.
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I'm sad that a rp'er was driven away by less open minded people. :cube: :cube: :cube:
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It is unfortunate that such drastic action, be it through communicative issues, arrogance/ignorance or otherwise inability to be part of a community has led to such an occurrence.
Although I don't prescribe to the theory of jealousy, nor the need to partake in supposition, I'm sure one can only hope to be content in whatever endeavour lies on the horizon; even if it is one well travelled.
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CG... that's really BAD reason to leave, mmkay?
Your situation is not that bad actually. Consider, for example, just being one day as Diana Kim.
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Diana Kim? The past week, she's been a rather popular person to rally for IC, and I think she gets respected OOC as one of the few die-hard provists.
I think CG is referring to OOC flak. I'm not 100% sure, 'cause I tend to avoid OOC like the plague...one of the reasons being that I'm not interested in seeing people being called idiots for how they RP, which unfortunatly I did get to see in one of my two(?) brief visits to the OOC channel.
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I really liked all the clever images that Cynthia made, like the one with the screen in front of the eye. those were amazing.
I know what people mean about the insular thing, I went to Cynthia's club in Jita, when she was having a fireworks thing, and I was, as far as I could see, the only person there, and it was a bit heartbreaking. Cynthia had set up a whole lot of fireworks things, and no one turned up. :(
unfortunately, schedules made it hard for me to interact with Cynthia, so I don't know what else I could have done, to allow people to enjoy themselves.
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Regardless of the RP and/or meta-RP crime, it is very disappointing to hear the departure of a community member. At the end of the day, this is the adult version of pretend and very little related to that justifies the driving out of a member no matter their standing.
Unfortunately, you are correct about the nature of the RP community, and like social interactions IRL, there's not much logic or consistency to it. The rules of the game are mostly arbitrary, alas. I have noticed that the RP community as a composite entity (rather than individuals) has a general inability to consider the opposing side in any sort of episodes of drama. Like with most of the Internet, there's an echo chamber effect where someone or something is unequivocally reduced to an objective of collective hate, something to rally around so that everyone may agree with one another and reinforce their social bonds.
Just look at what happens to YouTube comments that are unpopular. They're flagged as spam. As with YouTube or Reddit, the EVE RP community plays by the same rules. Conform or fight an uphill battle.
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I understand what your feeling and some others are saying. I quite like the RP scene and after spending my first year in EVE interacting only with non-RPers I have to say the average person is so very much nicer really. However there is some truth to the idea that there are cliques in the scene.
Now the thing is, not sure why anyone is surprised about that. Pretty much the human condition in a nutshell. There will always be friendly groups and outsiders. The key, just like back in highschool is to find the other outsiders that fit your interests. Go out and fly with the people you think are interesting. If your RP needs to be changed a little so that you can do so, do it. If your all "fuck everyone doing my own thing" with your RP, well that's also cool. Do what you like and maybe people will still irritate you from time to time but you can just think they are a dick and move on with your EVE life.
In the end, you gotta do what you gotta do. I for one do not want you or anyone to leave. Whatever I think of any of you or your stories, you are all bringing more content to the game. We need you. Stay.
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I'm sad that a rp'er was driven away by less open minded people. :cube: :cube: :cube:
Really?
Closing thoughts.
The eve rp community is a very insular thing.
People are more than happy to pile on and make other feels bad.
People would rather stomp out a good rp'r than work with them, perhaps this is a bit of jealousy?
Less open-minded indeed. My previous 99% finished post on this managed to get killed so I'll make this brief and to the point.
In my opinion RP is a two-way street, a consensus among it's participants. It requires that people are interested in being part and contributing, otherwise they will leave or voice their displeasure.
It is completely possible that the "old timers/bitter vets" need to slack a bit on whatever this mythical "norm" in RP is and how tight it is, so that new players can have room to grow their stuff. On the other hand, the bitter old timers do have a right to expect a specific standard, and pretty much being an attention-seeking drama-lama don't help on that.
Back when Cynthia opened her bar the first time, I had people in the corp at the time (MXD) interested in being there for the lolz they were sure to have from the spectacle. They were not dissapointed, from what I recall. I, and by extension my toon, had no desire to take part. That kind of RP is not my thing and the topic did not interest me. I have, as you may have noticed if you think back Cynthia, ignored you as much as possible.
Ergo, I have offered you plenty of room on my own to do as you please in, as you have been a non-issue in my book. In return, I've heard, among other things, of the first time you bar was blown up, the second time, the drama around them, the conditions in your bar, what you do in Jita local, the conditions around that, the supposed third time you blew up the bar, I've read your character resume, and so on.
I've not been especially impressed. Loads of noise and movement in a short time. No crime in that, but now that you are leaving and we got a tread about that (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4844.0) I am once again reminded about the duality of new vs old in the RP scene and the drama that may ensue. In my opinion it's not really a problem just about that, it's also a problem about you metaphorically wanting to have your cake and eating it.
Again, RP is a two way street. If you received feed-back on your actions and choices and not all of it was bad, you may have wanted to consider the feed-back for what it is. Instead I am now told that 'less open-minded people' somehow forced you out of RP, and I hear from you yourself that you are a GOOD RP'er getting *stomped* by others and chased out, like this was some sort of conspiracy to hound out a perfectly okay person and you did no harm at all.
I have no patience for that. I have no more patience for anyone that can't self-analyze and consider any possible issue on their part. Perhaps the community at large need to slack it a bit, but "the community at large" is a very wide term that pretty much covers everyone in EVE that RP at all.
All of us did not tell you to piss off, but you yourself picked up your toys and say you were leaving. Take care Cynthia.
You remind me of another (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1561.0) who made a similar choice once. Perhaps if you mellow out a bit, you will be back. We will, mostly, still be here when you do. No-one can force you to stop RP'ing if you want.
But we *can* and will expect a standard of a kind. We have as much a right to it as you do.
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Well, it's not so much about STANDARDS, I'd say, as it is about basic networking.
As others have pointed out, humans form social circles. Preferential hierarchies of human beings that they have relationships with. If you need labels then I imagine you could use Core, Inlier, Fringe, Outlier and Pariah.
Note that a Core relationship need not be friendly. Some of us are defined by our antagonistic relationships, rather. The levels represent frequency and importance of interaction, rather than friendliness. Pariah doesn't, for example, represent someone we HATE so much as it represents someone that we avoid interacting with at all costs. A Core relationship need not be a lover or a sibling - it could also be our nemesis. Someone who we would drop everything to interact with the moment they enter our view.
Cynthia tended to exist within a web of a certain kind of experience. There were bunny slavegirls. There was an indecent amount of drugs. There were weekly assassination attempts. Lots of drama - and a certain type of drama. Perhaps a type of drama that you wouldn't want your character involved in?
Cynthia Gallente and Pieter Tuulinen were on civil terms. I would, for example, compliment CG on her latest hairstyle. I attended the opening of CG's club. But I wouldn't seek CG out for interaction and I never went back to her club. To quote the old reference "It is a silly place."
How many of the 'cliquey' types that supposedly ran her out of Eve RP were really only exercising the same discretion that I did? Not being terribly interested in the kind of plots and experiences that you could have around her, therefore simply not interacting with her?
Cynthia Gallente wasn't a Pariah of mine. She was, I'd say, an Outlier. Someone I limited contact with, unless I was in a certain mood.
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Was CG harassed to the point of leaving the RP scene or was it just that nobody RPed with her ?
Because there is a huge consequencial gap and ethical difference between both.
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I think there was some harassment going on....
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My understanding is that it was both, but that the more severe harassment (ie, more than stuff that boiled down to "that's dumb, stop that" or being ignored) came from someone who's no longer part of the so-called "the" community.
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The Community is now a meme.
But yeah confirming Moarlag's story as that was also my understanding.
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also confirming.
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(http://i.imgur.com/y2fhj7k.png?1?6066)
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Uhm...not confirming? There were some people who RP'd with you.
Anyway, I'm still hoping for something like this (http://video.vulture.com/video/Community-Jack-Black-Gets-Into;Community-2#c=C6JCKP2Q45ZDNJP1&t=Community:%20Jack%20Black%20Gets%20Into%20The%20Cool%20Group).
Also, if we do this The Community thing, can I be The Abed?
[..] the first time you bar was blown up, the second time, the drama around them, the conditions in your bar, what you do in Jita local, the conditions around that, the supposed third time you blew up the bar, [..]
If you received feed-back on your actions and choices and not all of it was bad, you may have wanted to consider the feed-back for what it is.
About all the drama surrounding The Bunny Lounge, do people hold CG solely responsible, or do people also hold the other players involved responsible (you know, the ones actually blowing up the club, killing CG, etc.)?
And concerning the feedback, I get the idea that one half said one thing, and the other half said the opposite thing. I'm pretty sure CG listened to one side at least half the time.
I have a whole lot more to write to express my views on the matters surrounding CG's departure, but I think it'll be in a different thread. For now, I'll just hop on The Community Meme Train... ;) (Tongue thoroughly in cheek)
I actually expected Pryce to post something like this:
[spoiler](http://i40.tinypic.com/2vjbls9.jpg)[/spoiler]
This also came to mind:
[spoiler](https://i.imgur.com/bfrmaKK.jpg)[/spoiler]
Oh, and here's some nazis from The Community:
[spoiler](http://i42.tinypic.com/33cvsbo.jpg)[/spoiler]
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Harrasment is bad. There is never a reason for it. I wanted to come out and say that as a counterpoint to my more scholarly 'game theory' posts in this thread.
Again, I'd also point out that 'The Community' is largely an illusion, since it is merely the largest group of intersecting social circles. That's why trying to appease 'The Community' is largely an exercise in futility - the best thing to do is to find a circle whose mutual consensus you enjoy and seek to become a part of it. That way your 'feedback' won't be confusing and suggest mutually exclusive 'fixes'.
Did I blame CG for all the derp? Yes and No. The fact is that she created an environment (The Bunny Lounge) where Derp was expected to occur and it attracted people who like that sort of thing.
People who like beating up other players. People who like planting bombs in things. People who think they can whip a railgun at a highsec orbital without getting their butthole rebored to 1400mm by Concord.
But CG was not responsible for Derp that other people create. He had to make the decision on whether to engage with that RP or ignore it. It's a terrible choice and, to be honest, I VERY seldom retcon RP events out of existence, so I understand his reluctance to do so.
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I actually expected Pryce to post something like this:
[spoiler](http://i40.tinypic.com/2vjbls9.jpg)[/spoiler]
This also came to mind:
[spoiler](http://i40.tinypic.com/debrqp.jpg)[/spoiler]
Oh, and here's some nazis from The Community:
[spoiler](http://i42.tinypic.com/33cvsbo.jpg)[/spoiler]
Oooh, I like them a lot. I shall add them to my collection of all things hateful.
PS. The original picture gains more momentum once you realize from what sort of series it is from.
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i was confirming the negative feelings, i was able to find plenty of rp. with real good folks.
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I hope you do not go, especially not for the aforementioned reasons.
A lot of people in eve, especially in RP, are dicks.
A lot arent.
Either way, *hugs*