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[kalaratiri]

OP Updated.

[Saede Riordan]

Caldari: Awesome, long range missile projection and frigate killing. Will be a pvp monster.
Amarr: Awwww! a Mini-Curse! Thats so cute! And pretty awesome too!
Minmatar: Awesome! Speed and missiles! Zip around and murder things!
Gallente: Shafted.

[kalaratiri]

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1980051#post1980051

Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Gallente - kill the hybrid damage bonus. Give it a hybrid tracking bonus instead. Give it a fifth turret slot (4 * 1.25 = 5 anyways). It's CPU is too weak to consider drone upgrades in those two spare highs anyways.

Hmmm interesting, that's one way of putting it - it negates tracking issues with rails and give the boat some love. We'll have another math run at this after the week-end. Keep the constructive comments coming people.

Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaainz

Gallente may possibly be slightly less shafted if that goes through. Good post from Zarnak!

[Safai]

The Amarr destroyer is totally for me.

[Desiderya]

Kinetic missile damage bonus, we meet again. 

[BloodBird]

Caldari: Awesome, long range missile projection and frigate killing. Will be a pvp monster.
Amarr: Awwww! a Mini-Curse! Thats so cute! And pretty awesome too!
Minmatar: Awesome! Speed and missiles! Zip around and murder things!
Gallente: Shafted.

I was just thinking that. Honestly, if this goes through the way it is now the Gallente destroyer will be entirely worthless compared to ALL OTHER DESTROYERS. Less damage than the catalyst, and a set of weapons that can easily be shot down, and have only 2 full light sets? As opposed to a 8-launcher long-range easy-to-hit-small-stuff Caldari destroyer that everyone and their mother will fly, nano, and kite people to death with?

Thanks CCP. Thank you so much.

Fix this bullshit or take the eternal flame-fest.

[kalaratiri]

On that note, lol, poor flycatcher. Now you will be forever relegated to double bubble setups.

[Esna Pitoojee]

I must admit I am somewhat hesitant to declare a drone-based destroyer to be "instant awesome", particularly for the Amarr one which lacks other DPS.

The reason is this: Against a traditional 7-small-gun-destroyer setup, light drones simply evaporate; against the old-style super-Dramiels, I found that one of the best ways to fight them to a standstill was to shoot down their drones. This could be quickly accomplished with my weapon groups split 4/3, and the 10% hull HP bonus on the Amarr hull may only give that a few seconds longer life. The Arbitrator is a lot more durable in this matter, since those TDs mean you can force a target's tracking down to nothing; the destroyer does not have that, though.

So, I suspect a lot of it will come down to tactics.

[Gesakaarin]

Not sure why the Gal one got a 50% Optimal bonus when without a tracking bonus it makes a rail fit a bit average and it looks more viable as an injected blaster/neut boat or something. 

[kalaratiri]

Not really relevant to the dessies, but still: http://themittani.com/news/eve-online-retribution-london-meet-leaks

Our extremely drunk correspondent at the London Eve Meetup has the following details for us about the upcoming Winter Expansion.

It will be called 'Retribution'
It is scheduled for a December 4th Release

Our extremely drunk correspondent cornered CCP Soundwave and got the following from him about what to expect this expansion:

Own3d Tournament promotion
CCP Fozzie's balancing of ships
UI changes
Redoing bounties: Instead of the current system, put a bounty on anyone, corp or alliance. On ships as well as pods. A percentage calculation is involved.
Sell or rent out kill rights.
Aggression mechanics change with three states: Nothing, yellow skull, Red skull.
Second run of Faction Warfare iterations; no more speed tanking plexes.
New destroyers and mining frigates.

Our extremely drunk correspondent then bothered CCP Unifex:

Revamping websites: Corporate and other channels available through browsers.
A bunch of 'stuff' about DUST, which we'll get when our intrepid correspondent finishes nursing his hangover.
I'm curious to see what the balance of "Eve Stuff" versus "Dust Stuff" is featured in the expansion; so far the tweaks offered seem somewhat minor. Perhaps more will be revealed in the official press announcements.

 

Anyone in London who can corroborate?

[kalaratiri]

Art time!












(Salvage Drone)

[Jev North]

Hereby corroborated. It seems like it'll be a slightly lean expansion, although the new ships and aggro/bounty/kill rights mechanics might impact my game quite a bit. Or not. Still too wrecked to think clearly.

[Saede Riordan]

TBH, with all the heavily game changing stuff they're adding, I wouldn't want it to be any fatter. There's gonna be enough of an impact as is. Lets see where all this stuff settles out.

I'm awaiting the details on these new systems.

[Milo Caman]

What precisely are 'UI Changes'? Fingers cross it's the corp interface that's getting love?

[Lyn Farel]

That amarr destroyer is a little too much identical to the coercer to my taste. They could have done better imo.