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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
Two of my characters view the Andreus character as an explosive substance that detonates under conditions that are probably not at all random, but would require that they attain and maintain closer proximity to him in order to build an accurate predictive model. Mixed Metaphor seems a good name for his corporation, for he occasionally seems to broadcast mixed messages to the public, damning the Federation with one breath, and swearing he'll defend it to the bitter end with the next.
A third just thinks he's nuts, but his heart's likely in the right place. He cares far more about people than he does politics. The Federation could do worse (and has) by not doing the same.
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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
Well, Simon thought you were a Fed loyalist, then he thought you were a secessionist, and now he's just confused. He's absolutely positive that you hate the Empire! I'm pretty sure I got the wrong idea of things back at some point, because I could have sworn that Andreus went rogue, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And of course, he's only interacted with Andreus vicariously by reading IGS posts, so they don't know each other. I'd suspect Simon has more of an opinion on Andreus than Andreus has of him, but hell, I didn't start Eve to get famous :|
Truthfully, I recognize the Mixed Metaphor brand but have no idea what it's selling. I know you launched a carrier at some point, and I'm under the impression that the corp has been shut down and restarted a few times, but I'm not positive about that. Like Moira, I can't seem to decide if I think you're a corp with Fed rp'er(s), or a Federal rp corp.
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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
MXD has had a history of being staunch Fed-Loyalists if my memory does serve me correctly, as it currently stands all that is really around from an outsiders perspective is that despite whatever affiliations and stances around the federation, primarily all Andreus seems to do is find Amarrian people/things (Namely Vanguard Imperium/KP-V) and yell very loudly that we are the bane of all existance.
That being said, I doubt I would have it it any other way - with the possible exception of the reaffirmation of MXD's status within/about the Federation.
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Andreus is working for the Federation again. I get the impression that the Federation understands he's a little bit fickle and has bizarre, inexplicable mood swings, and doesn't make too much of a fuss when he goes off and does something weird for a while. From an RP perspective I like to imagine that his case handlers at Federal Intelligence take bets on how quickly he'll be back running missions for a Federal agent.
I guess the thing is that my mood swings and boredom sometimes project onto Andreus a little more than they should - I get bored or depressed and want to go and do something different, get a touch bored with it, and then I see some people badmouthing the Federation, and I won't stand for that!
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From an RP perspective I like to imagine that his case handlers at Federal Intelligence take bets on how quickly he'll be back running missions for a Federal agent.
Funny you mention that. I believe Vieve's first introduction to Andreus was via Jules, when they were hauling ass to get to Malkalen after Noir proved that he couldn't parallel park. Jules mentioned something about Andreus' going off his nut and swearing to murder any Federation folks involved with Gariushi's death (to which I remember her replying something like "I hope someone sedates him before he makes this worse"). Am I remembering correctly -- did Andreus spend some time in FIO-facilitated rehabilitation a luxury hotel after Malkalen?
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That was retconned.
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It's possible to retcon stuff like that? Damn. So much to reassess in my character's history.
Actually, maybe i'll just keep it the way it is, more fun that way. Retconning a marriage with Vieve would probably get me in trouble with Celesete.
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It's possible to retcon stuff like that?
Yep.
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Of course, my character wouldn't know that he retconned it. Much less my player.
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That was retconned.
Then it's forgotten.
Actually, maybe i'll just keep it the way it is, more fun that way. Retconning a marriage with Vieve would probably get me in trouble with Celesete.
As in actually being legally married to Vieve? One would think she would have noticed. :P
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Of course, my character wouldn't know that he retconned it. Much less my player.
Because it never happened.
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Well, good thing my character remembers otherwise, eh? Chatlogs, also.
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[mod]Split from another thread.[/mod]
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You confuse me. I also confuse myself. So more power to you!
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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
Probably 'hrr'.
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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
I don't know :oops:
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Attention seeking, weak minded fool. :twisted:
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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
Me ? Like a overzealous biased person toward the Empire. Besides that, someone that is intelligent enough to think right and have a great insight when the Empire is not involved. I do not know much about Mixed Metaphor, though.
Lyn, she has briefly seen him in Solitude for a little time and they were probably fighting for the same ideals here, but she had no serious discussion with him at that time. Now she thinks more or less as myself, though she really do think besides having a grief against the Empire that is clouding his judgement, that he is overcompensating a big lack of self confidence by being such a big mouth, and is always trying to justify his opinions to himself, also testing how far he can go.
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to be honest.... a federation loyalist, in a fed corp.... who seems to have the total inability to just ignore threads that have us drones in them.... lol...
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to be honest.... a federation loyalist, in a fed corp.... who seems to have the total inability to just ignore threads
FYP
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Well how else would you know you were utterly wrong if someone didn't tell you?
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Well how else would you know you were utterly wrong if someone didn't tell you?
^ That's how we know Andreus. Only thing I know about MXD is that Naqam business that shows up in the "did you know" thingies.
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If people weren't wrong as often as they were, I wouldn't have to talk so much.
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If people weren't wrong as often as they were, I wouldn't have to talk so much.
I said "Andreus." You're different from your character, aren't you?
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I said "Andreus." You're different from your character, aren't you?
I'm not a billionaire cyborg spaceship pilot with an unneccessarily large collection of cultural artifacts in his lounge, no. After you get over that, me and my character are actually surprisingly similar.
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On the whole, my understanding is that Andreus Ixiris and MDX are some kind of loosely Federal aligned soldiers, vigilantes or mercenaries, who are always ready to back up their words with guns. All that is good.
However, the dialogue in IGS makes me often confused. Maybe I miss the context, but I find it difficult to swallow that Luminaire Generals or military commanders suddently show up and tell completely unrelated people that what they are doing is wrong, without coming up with a counter-proposal that could be criticized in reverse. However, when they do act like this, it would be interesting to hear, what was the background that compelled them to barge in and risk the reputation and honour of their troops, and how do they even know the characters they are talking to? Anyhow, this is a generic thing, and I understand that sometimes the discussions are just too irresistible for some juicy side remarks.
The commenting by Andreus Ixiris shows in my opinion that his player has a very firm grip on the backstory of EVE, and maybe he could use part of his creative energy and knowledge to build up more good stories which wouldn't interfere with any piece of the PF. I'm pretty sure that most players would not try to discourage but support this kind of efforts, with all available means.
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I'm not a Luminaire General, and generally my comments about people Doing It Wrong are restricted to people who don't understand the canon or some of the concepts behind the canon. Right now this might seem like it's mostly restricted to the people pretending to be rogue drones (and yes, they're pretending to be rogue drones. That's all they're doing), but that's mostly because they are the biggest source of Wrong on the IGS right now. When something else crops up that sets me off, trust me - they'll know.
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[mod]Do not drag specific criticisms of other people's RP (the fabled "urdoinitrong") here.[/mod]
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To Hamish, Andreus is a very angry man who hates the Caladri State with an intensity bordering on rabidness. He is not somebody who can be rationalized with, but is not enough of a threat to warrant action against. Therefore he and MXD are of very low interest to him.
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To Hamish, Andreus is a very angry man who hates the Caladri State with an intensity bordering on rabidness. He is not somebody who can be rationalized with, but is not enough of a threat to warrant action against.
I don't understand where Grayson gets this impression from.
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I tend to see (from Jade's perspective) that Andreus is one of those ultra-nationalists who is more nationalist as a principle than Gallente as a cultural product. The various moments in our discussions where Andreus sides with Amarrians rather than acknowledge the free market capitalist attributes of fraction anarchy often underpin this view.
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Well, it comes from Andreus' statements in regard to the Caldari on the IGS and his tone during the few times they've spoken.
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In regards to the Federation, Mammal sees Andreus as more loyal to it than it has been to him, which he actually finds an admirable quality.
This being said, he is not afraid to criticise the Federation when it needs to be. He is also prone to dramatic and emotional statements, which Mammal sees, smiles and says to himself: 'Only Andreus.'
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To John, Andreus has proven to be a reasonable man when approached correctly. Also MXD has proven to be one of the few Federal-aligned corporations to allow public cooperation, in efforts to help mend issues both past and present.
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Blake see's Andreus as much more 'practical' than the average Gallentean, but also (and more typically) emotional and out-spoken, which seems to be an odd mix, to a Caldari. Due to Andreus' past collaboration with I-RED, Blake would not pin him as a single-minded nationalist.
Blake has a lack of interest in Andreus' links to Federation politics, but this could improve the more their interests and paths coincide.
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In character, Orthic views Andreus as a barking dog, or an illustration of the saying “The empty can rattles the most.”
OOC, I view the character as an unpredictably passionate patriot, though lately he has reminded me of a horrifying cross between Revan Nefaris and Jerry Falwell with his combination of narcissism and unwavering belief that he is right regardless of whatever else might be presented.
OOC, I think the player’s decision to jump up and down and yell “UR DOIN’ IT RONG” on the IGS (thus adding to the unproductive clutter) without engaging in the thoughtful OOC discussions on the topic that have taken place on this board is reprehensible, both because it adds spam to the threads in question, and because it's highly unlikely to accomplish anything, especially the desired effect.
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See, that's the problem with playing yourself, rather than a character. You get too emotionally invested in your character "winning." And whatever potential you had for real development, discourse, etc. goes out the window when you become reactionary instead of contemplative. Things just go better all around if you play a character.
Just my suggestion, of course.
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Your suggestions haven't really been all that useful to me so far. I think I'll go on doing what's worked well so far.
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Out of curiousity, given how strongly you feel about the issue, why haven't you said anything in the various OOC discussions about the drones?
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ORTHIC RAiSES A GEEEWD POINT
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Out of pure curiosity, what do you classify as "working well." >>
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Out of pure curiosity, what do you classify as "working well." >>
I haven't yet lost the respect of anyone whose opinions I value, and the minimal amount of inconvenience the way I act has brought me is far outweighed by the personal satisfaction and amusement it provides.
Don't worry. If it changes, you'll notice.
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Well, thats all the forced cordiality I can manage this week.
Now for a token attempt at re-railing the thread vis-a-vis serious opinions, I don't think MXD is on the radar for Senn, personally or professionally. Only thing a search drags up is the old ISD snippet about the split from the Federation, Naqam, the blithe responses on an ANSH thread, and the 5 days spent with IRED in the current war.
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Much like many others (Jade, Revan, Vaari) I see Andreus Ixiris as a joke to be ignored and not encouraged. Epitoth hasn't even taken the time to try and learn what MXD are up to these days.
But that's only what my character has been led to believe by the Amarr loyalist community of course. I know it's a given but still feel it needs to be said:
OOC, I love you all :)
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I prefer this question to be put IC.
What is your reason for asking for our IC perceptions?
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IC understanding is/was rather vague. Probably didn't even notice they'd left the militia/stopped supporting the regime.
Anyway, on the side discussion, what is your interpretation regarding people's origin stories, e.g. if someone started in Imperial Academy, but claimed to have been trained in e.g. Blood Raider space ?
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Anyway, on the side discussion, what is your interpretation regarding people's origin stories, e.g. if someone started in Imperial Academy, but claimed to have been trained in e.g. Blood Raider space ?
I actually see that as an artifact of the limitations of character creation, and in some cases at least somewhat legitimate. CCP do not currently (and I can only imagine will never) allow characters of one empire to receive training in the school of another empire, despite the fact that there are many good reasons this could occur.
It is by no means inconceivable (especially given that all of them have or had insiders in the empires and CONCORD) that the major pirate organisations could cobble together something resembling a capsuleer training program, but the throughput of such a venture would be vanishingly small even in comparison to those of the empires, simply on the weight of the fact that the populations of the major pirate organisations are so small. Fluff says that less than a percent of the population is fully compatible with the technology, and I find it likely the empires are better at discovering them. This means that the output of any unofficial capsuleer training venture is going to be very, very small indeed. Given that the official programs have, in eight years, produced less than a million successes out of supposedly trillions of humans (I think the trillions number is massively overstated, but there you go) - I'd put the sum total successes of any and all unofficial capsuleer training programs in the dozens at most.
I would also suggest that almost nothing would piss off CONCORD more than the idea of the pirate organisations churning out unregistered capsuleers, and that if they got the slightest inkling that something like this was happening, they'd turn over every asteroid looking for it and stamp everything they found on the way that had even the slightest hint of illegitimacy into the ground. Capsuleers, by their very nature, tend to attract a lot of attention to themselves very quickly. Such programs simply would not remain hidden for long, and by this measure would not exist for very long.
Consider that Sansha has got one over on the empires by seemingly being able to produce a large number of capsuleers with very high competence in a very short timeframe. The general impression the PF is giging would suggest that either CONCORD has never had to deal with something like this at all (which I find unlikely), or they have expectations and methods to deal with things like this, but nothing on this scale (which I find very likely).
I'd also question why a capsuleer claiming training from the Blood Raiders or whoever is registered with CONCORD at all, and why it claims they were trained at the Imperial Academy. If they had some pretty good answers that didn't clash with established PF, I'd accept them.
Now if they said something like "Well actually, it was only most of my training that occured with the Blood Raiders out in Delve, but they were able to sneak me into the Imperial Academy to get me access to a capsuleer program" that'd be fucking ace. I could totally roll with that.
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I'd also question why a capsuleer claiming training from the Blood Raiders or whoever is registered with CONCORD at all, and why it claims they were trained at the Imperial Academy. If they had some pretty good answers that didn't clash with established PF, I'd accept them.
Now if they said something like "Well actually, it was only most of my training that occured with the Blood Raiders out in Delve, but they were able to sneak me into the Imperial Academy to get me access to a capsuleer program" that'd be fucking ace. I could totally roll with that.
Super.
I know at least one person who says that. They're native to Delve, did a lot of training there, then obtained a false identity to finalise things.
Others claim it's a false record or something like that.
However, some people rage and say "it says 'imperial academy' so you must be an Imperial citizen, stop lying about being from Delve" and so on. It is rather o.0
It's also something that's come up with people from the Ammatar. As minmatar characters, they all appear in one of the Republic schools. But that's not necessarily what their character background is about.
Same for the various ethnic members of the Federation. Gallente-born & resident minmatar with a Republic university education instead of a university of Caille one. And so on.
Some people seem to want to argue that because of the game mechanics being as they are, then everyone has to be what the char sheet says they are. This would then mean there are no ethnic minority Federation pilots, no Ammatar, etc. etc.
Ofc, there's that glitch with some really old chars which have no/truncated employment history.
vOv.
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On the direct subject title, I wasn't wholly impressed with the debate about the existence of God in The Summit channel this evening. It was basically a generic OOC/OOG debate about God, using RL philosophy etc...
I dunno if that's just a general EVE PF problem of having familiar concepts of God (and democracy) in the universe, though.
[20:29:33] Andreus Ixiris > Maria Crases: Your [Stockholm] syndrome is tragic, but not an argument for slavery.
Not cool yo! :P
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I have no idea what Stockholm syndrome is actually called in EVE - presumably different cultures would have different words for it (the Amarrian word, I imagine, for Stockholm syndrome is "success"). It was the best I could do to convey what I was attempting to convey.
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Its called "Sasoutikh Syndrome"
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Its called "Sasoutikh Syndrome"
Really? :o
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Its called "Sasoutikh Syndrome"
Really? :o
That system takes hostage of a large majority of Amarrian mission runners. And they love it. makes sense. :D
On a go forward basis that is what im going to use to describe stockholm in eve lol.
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So, honest question here: in relation to the Federation, how do you people see me and Mixed Metaphor?
From what I've read of Ixiris on the IGS, it's pretty clear he is an individual who espouses a Gallentean culture, and supports democratic governments. He also appears to oppose culturally closed societies, and generally has a liberal perspective on social matters. I know nothing about Mixed Metaphor in relation to the Federation, other than they are the arm of Ixiris, which by extension support Fed-ideals. I haven't really seen him break that mantra.
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IC, you aren't on Silas' radar except for the occasional forum sniping in threads you have no business being in, and Silas can't be bothered to care about your relationship to the Federation.
OOC not sure about the excessive amount of Amarrian-hating going on but Andreus is of course your creation ;) I think we see more of Andreus being -against- things than being -for- things, if that makes sense. It's fairly obvious about x,y,z things that Andreus gets pissy about, but I don't have much of an idea what he stands -for-, although perhaps just my own ignorance on the subject.
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I assure you, the Amarrian-hating does not extend into OOC (well, except in that I, personally, have a hatred of religious zealots, but I don't know a single Amarrian roleplayer who is actually a religious zealot in real life). In fact, I have often said that I consider Rodj Blake to be the best roleplayer in EVE Online because he plays someone so immensely different to what he's like in real life. In the game he's a dogmatic, close-minded, bigoted, arrogant, supercilious, insane, morally bankrupt zealot, but in real life he's a friendly, talkative, open-minded, wonderful chap who I absolutely love talking to and sharing drinks with.
Basically the same with Grr and most of CVA's membership - IC I depise them, OOC they're excellent fellows.
That's not to say I think people like Evanda Char, Verone, Vincent Pryce, etc. aren't also good roleplayers, but I've noticed that a lot of people play characters who resemble them in some way (for example, Evanda Char's player is, in real life, almost exactly like I'd imagine her in game), if perhaps not quite as closely as my own character does, but Rodj Blake and his player have always struck me by how entirely different they are.
The EVE meets are good because I generally tend to have a lot more respect for and understanding of characters when I've met the people who play them, because I can see how their characters are like them (or, alternatively, how they aren't like them).
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What makes the Rodj Blake character interesting is not only these "flaws". If he just had these he would just be a classic evil character, that he is obviously not. He is a conservative and what I appreciate is more the patriot side he has above all that.