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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Steffanie Saissore on 10 Jun 2013, 10:56
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So, during a conversation I had in game the other day, someone brought up the idea that I should take my Order to the Sisters of EVE. Thinking about it, and what the SoE seem to stand for, it does make a certain amount of sense...join and provide armed protection for their missions, etc. I am not 100% married to the idea, but would there be a way to go about this in game?
I ask mostly because I don't just want to say "this is how it is" especially if there is a chance to build a story around it. Hope that makes sense.
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The problem with humanitarian organizations having military power is then all of the sudden everyone gets very nervous about letting them actually do anything. If the SSoE need protection, then optimally, it needs protection provided by the people they are trying to help or those with influence with them to provide that support. Once they can wield their own military forces, people start being very wary of letting them get too entrenched, or letting them even in their borders. Part of their protection is that very few people consider them a threat.
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(1) There's an SoE epic arc, I believe-- the original highsec one.
(2) There's no "actual" way to get your doings officially endorsed by any faction, regardless of who you are. You can work to get your standings up by running missions and such (and even the SoE have work for capsuleers, IIRC), but very few will criticize you for claiming that you've got some sort of relationship with a faction that isn't strictly possible within the game's framework so long as you don't take it too far.
(3) The SoE do have a militant branch of sorts. Check out the "Black Mountain" chronicle series (which I don't actually like very much, but for other reasons).
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In the fiction the Servant Sisters of EVE are unique in that sense that they are nearly immune from attack by anyone, except Rogue Drones. This is because most pirates realize that if they get into trouble, probably the only people who will help are the SoE. However, Sanctuary (the R&D arm) is having its own zealots and fanatics, and are not shy of doing black ops (e.g. in the Black Mountain series of chronicles).
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Thanks...and some of the points raised are things that were not far off my own thoughts. Think I will continue on the original plan I had, but always good to ask :D
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(1) There's an SoE epic arc, I believe-- the original highsec one.
(2) There's no "actual" way to get your doings officially endorsed by any faction, regardless of who you are. You can work to get your standings up by running missions and such (and even the SoE have work for capsuleers, IIRC), but very few will criticize you for claiming that you've got some sort of relationship with a faction that isn't strictly possible within the game's framework so long as you don't take it too far.
(3) The SoE do have a militant branch of sorts. Check out the "Black Mountain" chronicle series (which I don't actually like very much, but for other reasons).
Well actually...
If there's a monitored actor character you can try cutting deals with them~
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If there's a monitored actor character you can try cutting deals with them~
Can you?
Excellent. Good for CCP. A bit late for my use, but excellent.
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If there's a monitored actor character you can try cutting deals with them~
Can you?
Excellent. Good for CCP. A bit late for my use, but excellent.
I'm not sure who the SOE character is, but generally yes. If it's a simple handshake of acknowledgment and what not, it's not that difficult in my experience. If you come asking for serious military ops, things that requires Internal Affair's approval, then it'll probably get turned away until a later date.
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So, during a conversation I had in game the other day, someone brought up the idea that I should take my Order to the Sisters of EVE. Thinking about it, and what the SoE seem to stand for, it does make a certain amount of sense...join and provide armed protection for their missions, etc. I am not 100% married to the idea, but would there be a way to go about this in game?
I ask mostly because I don't just want to say "this is how it is" especially if there is a chance to build a story around it. Hope that makes sense.
Yeah if you have the time you should read the Black Mountain chronicle. It tells a lot about Sanctuary and the military means of the sisters.
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I had thoughts about this a while back, too. Definitely you should read the Black Mountain chronicles.
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Thanks. Will track down the recommended reading and proceed from there :)
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In any case, using the (perhaps tired, but it's most of what we have available) mechanism of agent missions as an indicator, the SoE do have a need for military allies. Shin used to run mission for the SoE in Pure Blind, and about half of them were kill missions. Then there was that time that her SoE agent gave her several cases of high tech firearms as part of a mission reward... ;)
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TBL has a nice peek into SOE and how they deal with things.
They are humanitarian, but they will fuck you up if you stand in their way. They are not at all nice people at core, lots of grimdark in that house of holy. Pardon the pun.
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TBL has a nice peek into SOE and how they deal with things.
They are humanitarian, but they will fuck you up if you stand in their way. They are not at all nice people at core, lots of grimdark in that house of holy. Pardon the pun.
There's a lot of grimdark in everything Hjalti writes. It's one of the things that generally bugs me about his stuff, honestly.
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TBL has a nice peek into SOE and how they deal with things.
They are humanitarian, but they will fuck you up if you stand in their way. They are not at all nice people at core, lots of grimdark in that house of holy. Pardon the pun.
There's a lot of grimdark in everything Hjalti writes. It's one of the things that generally bugs me about his stuff, honestly.
Oh come on, the very end of Black Mountain is deliciously hair-raising with the realization that the SoE are just as cold and brutal as the SoCT.
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TBL has a nice peek into SOE and how they deal with things.
They are humanitarian, but they will fuck you up if you stand in their way. They are not at all nice people at core, lots of grimdark in that house of holy. Pardon the pun.
There's a lot of grimdark in everything Hjalti writes. It's one of the things that generally bugs me about his stuff, honestly.
Oh come on, the very end of Black Mountain is deliciously hair-raising with the realization that the SoE are just as cold and brutal as the SoCT.
Amateurs 8)
[spoiler]They lose hrrr[/spoiler]
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TBL has a nice peek into SOE and how they deal with things.
They are humanitarian, but they will fuck you up if you stand in their way. They are not at all nice people at core, lots of grimdark in that house of holy. Pardon the pun.
There's a lot of grimdark in everything Hjalti writes. It's one of the things that generally bugs me about his stuff, honestly.
What, that it reflects reality? Because if you think it's somehow cheery out there in the real world, you should remember that this species has been at war *somewhere* without interruption since you were born. Sometimes I wish I could give people my perspective via some kind of mind-meld, but then I realize how unethical that would be, as it would rapidly lead to their suicide :|
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What, that it reflects reality? Because if you think it's somehow cheery out there in the real world, you should remember that this species has been at war *somewhere* without interruption since you were born. Sometimes I wish I could give people my perspective via some kind of mind-meld, but then I realize how unethical that would be, as it would rapidly lead to their suicide :|
Reality is not unceasingly grimdark, there are, believe it or not, good people out there, and heroic things done. There's a lot of darkness, but there's light too...but if you read what Hjalti writes, it's unceasingly grim to the point of absurdity. I think WH40K might be less grim. :P
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Read or skimmed over the Black Mountain stories...interesting and had some cool concepts, but I found it a little too grim and dark. I don't mind a little bit of darkness, but some ray of hope is better at least in my opinion; I'm also more for a happily ever after ending in the fiction I read. Reality is nice, but I read and write to get away from reality and like to have something uplifting.
Still, some very interesting concepts, though having given it some thought, I don't think being the "Knights Militant of the SoE" is what I envision. Work for and provide aid sure, but not tied to the organization (and this isn't because of Black Mountain).
Thanks for all the input and suggestions :D
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Read or skimmed over the Black Mountain stories...interesting and had some cool concepts, but I found it a little too grim and dark. I don't mind a little bit of darkness, but some ray of hope is better at least in my opinion;
Definitely.
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But...but...but this is EVE. We kill Rays of Hope like we kill Rays of Matar. Life is as dark as space, and death is the only escape (but dying will probably be horrible). Most podders, wealthy to the point of absurdity, choose to throw themselves into dangerous situations which threaten their assets, crews, and themselves personally rather than retiring to some enormous estate on a highsec planet. Some go pirate just to feel that thrill of life. Even Istvaan's character has given up and is living his life in a hazy, drug-addled orgy of hedonistic escapism.
There is no escape. Every happy event in your life will go up in smoke. Every fine meal will turn to poisoned ashes in your mouth. Every lover will turn out to be a Valentine operative. Every small joy will turn out to be the lure of some great big anglerfish. There is no escape.
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Respectfully, I will reject your reality and substitute it with my own...where cannons shoot rainbows across space and Caldari switch from their somber blues and greys to vibrant purples and pinks....
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But...but...but this is EVE. We kill Rays of Hope like we kill Rays of Matar. Life is as dark as space, and death is the only escape (but dying will probably be horrible). Most podders, wealthy to the point of absurdity, choose to throw themselves into dangerous situations which threaten their assets, crews, and themselves personally rather than retiring to some enormous estate on a highsec planet. Some go pirate just to feel that thrill of life. Even Istvaan's character has given up and is living his life in a hazy, drug-addled orgy of hedonistic escapism.
There is no escape. Every happy event in your life will go up in smoke. Every fine meal will turn to poisoned ashes in your mouth. Every lover will turn out to be a Valentine operative. Every small joy will turn out to be the lure of some great big anglerfish. There is no escape.
Yeah. That's fucking boring, just as boring if everything had been sweetness and light. You need both for a good story.
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But...but...but this is EVE. We kill Rays of Hope like we kill Rays of Matar. Life is as dark as space, and death is the only escape (but dying will probably be horrible). Most podders, wealthy to the point of absurdity, choose to throw themselves into dangerous situations which threaten their assets, crews, and themselves personally rather than retiring to some enormous estate on a highsec planet. Some go pirate just to feel that thrill of life. Even Istvaan's character has given up and is living his life in a hazy, drug-addled orgy of hedonistic escapism.
There is no escape. Every happy event in your life will go up in smoke. Every fine meal will turn to poisoned ashes in your mouth. Every lover will turn out to be a Valentine operative. Every small joy will turn out to be the lure of some great big anglerfish. There is no escape.
Yeah. That's fucking boring, just as boring if everything had been sweetness and light. You need both for a good story.
I do agree that there needs to be some dark to help enhance the light of a story, and some light to offset the dark.
I love the Warhammer 40K universe in terms of the fluff and some of the concepts, but I get tired of it quickly because there is no hope, there is only war. Great for a tactical mini game, but having run Dark Heresy, Deathwatch, Rogue Trader, and Black Crusade, I can only go for a handful of sessions before I need something that is hopeful.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6940515584/h63A4114B/)
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You should read the Ciaphas Cain books by Sandy Mitchell.
Excellent military fiction with a distinctly humorous side.
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There is also plenty of heroism and self-sacrifice for the greater good in 40K as well, it's not an unceasing torrent of darkness. In fact, it's the fight against the encroaching darkness of the Chaos Gods and Tyrannids that provides the very opportunity for that kind of heroism (even if some of the methods used to fight it are...extreme to say the least).
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True, there are moments of heroism and self-sacrifice in 40K, and the setting is very rich and has a lot of potential. I just find at times that the "there is only war" creeps in too often and the heroic sacrifices get lost in the dark. Think that's why, of all the 40K settings I like Rogue Trader the most. One, it easily steps out of the common view of the universe and two, spaceships! I have to admit, when I started playing EVE, my first thought was "Awesome, I can be a Rogue Trader with cool tech!"
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I...I always liked the Necron fiction best.
I swear I'm not a psychopath.
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From what I hear, the most recent update to the Necron seem to have made them more interesting on the fluff side of things. I thought they were kind of interesting, but felt a little too much like GW was trying to get an undead army into space.
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From what I hear, the most recent update to the Necron seem to have made them more interesting on the fluff side of things. I thought they were kind of interesting, but felt a little too much like GW was trying to get an undead army into space.
Tomb Lords...IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE.
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Have they retconned them being best bros with the Blood Angels yet? Because even with more independent Necrons, that was a pretty bad case of derp.
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Didn't know about the Blood Angels thing. Though from what I've read in the Black Crusade RPG and some of the fluff for the army list, they're very much more an alien AI. I would think that they removed the Space Marine thing, but could be wrong.
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Newcrons are pretty terrible, yes, but what I hate most about that codex is that they completely ignored a perfect chance to introduce factions and simultaneously avoid completely retconning the previous lore (C'tan Loyalists vs Independent Lords).
To return to the original topic: The SSoE having a dedicated military arm doesn't make a lot of sense, but they definitely do have agents they hire to do wetwork or prevent it (see Black Mountain and The Burning Life). In fact, just today I had an idea for some player-generated fiction that would require some Sisters interference...
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Thanks for the advice and pointers, and after giving it some thought, I think I'll stay independent of the Sisters. I'd lend assistance and such, but not be part of the organization.
Thanks :)
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Newcrons are pretty terrible, yes, but what I hate most about that codex is that they completely ignored a perfect chance to introduce factions and simultaneously avoid completely retconning the previous lore (C'tan Loyalists vs Independent Lords).
To return to the original topic: The SSoE having a dedicated military arm doesn't make a lot of sense, but they definitely do have agents they hire to do wetwork or prevent it (see Black Mountain and The Burning Life). In fact, just today I had an idea for some player-generated fiction that would require some Sisters interference...
Clearing a hot LZ for aid workers, doing Peacekeeper-type work to protect aid workers/installations/shipments, escorting aid vessels, etc. Just because a lot of the major pirate fleets recognize the use in keeping the SSOE friendly does not mean that the smaller operations do, or that planetary violence wouldn't lash out at them. Red Cross workers are constantly in danger, for example, despite being globally recognized as neutral aid workers.
I'd absolutely love to see someone interjecting themselves into a heated battle, neuting and jamming everyone, or bringing everyong down to Hull and then stopping because of humanitarian concerns. Badass humanitarians would be hella cool.
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On a side note, been playing around making a logo for the Order:
(http://dsscreative.ca/erforum/Themes/default/images/EbRoLogo.png)
Hearkening back to the ancient airship days of Gallente history.
Might spruce it up with some effects, but I think it fits. Have no idea how I'm going to come up with a crest
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There appears to be a crest on the airship.
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Uh... ancient airship days?
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Fed history is weird.
Crystal cities where people walk around in togas weird.
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The idea of Gallente steampunk air battleships makes me oh, so sad.
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I...kind of really like steampunk and flying airships and stuff :oops:
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As I recall there was a SoE affiliated paramilitary in EM at one point.
Ah, here they are. The SoE Roughriders (https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/SoE%20Roughriders).