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[Character] Utari Onzo

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Mitara Newelle:
Ideas for a ceremony maybe start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commendation_ceremony or https://books.google.com/books?id=zlULqJ70bDUC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=becoming+a+vassal+rituals&source=bl&ots=RB5hndqjet&sig=Fi5r86KtGBEildNgaOnDeJfhJk8&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiPsPrzlbzMAhVCsIMKHVncDNMQ6AEIKjAC
Modify with some Amarr flare? 

I would think duties would be whatever your liege wishes.  In my narrow view of Amarr, you are effectively a 'slave' of your liege, even though you are 'free'.  Given your power as a capsuleer, I think they would leverage that to bring wealth into their lands and to act as 'muscle' if needed.

Garion Avarr:
Hopefully more thought out response later, but random thoughts and links:
- Binding to descendants strikes me as a bit odd, but possibly a thing for Amarr.  Well, actually, it still strikes me as rather odd if they don't also swear such an oath of their own accord, though it might be expected of them to do so, but by no means required.  For that matter, you'd probably have the same choice when the individual person you swore it to died . . . though this is generally based on my reading of medieval European oaths of various sorts, and while there are certainly some parallels in terms of how society is structured, it is definitely a very different culture.  So I could possibly see Amarr culture as viewing oaths as being from one family to another family as often as from one person to another person.

I can't say that I agree that one would effectively be a slave of one's liege, while one might be required to do whatever one's liege wanted de jure, custom almost certainly dictates certain rights and responsibilities (and recall what happened to Aritcio Kor-Azor when he stepped to far outside those bounds).  That said, depending upon what sort of oath one was swearing, it might stipulate very specific obligations (but this would not really be the same as swearing allegiance. merely service), or it might obligate general obedience, within reason (where 'within reason' is probably defined by tradition rather than spelled out).

http://sca-librarians.gallowglass.org/links/oaths.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fealty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_(feudal)
http://www.dragonbear.com/fealty.html
That stuff is of course mostly mostly medieval European, which has some but by no means perfect, cross-over with how Holders work . . . and of course the culture has a lot of differences, though some similarities, too.  So there'd obviously be a bunch of modification.  Looking to see if one can find interesting and applicable stuff from other cultures (Persian would probably be great if we can find it, but iqta' wasn't really feudalism and has some significant differences from how Amarr do Holders, so might not be the direction to go for this).
(Also, while writing this, this song just came on my playlist and I think it has relevance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQb0bseLauU)
Also, possibly for use in ceremony, though it'd want expanding: http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1078.0

Utari Onzo:
Pledges of vassalship might not contain direct reference to descendants, but certainly atleast in some of the major examples from English history they are binding upon the vassal's House and Kingdom where applicable.

Essencially, the one pledging to "become the man" of the liege does so in a personal capacity, but one's House, feif/title and so on are in essence one's property and follow in vassalship. An example of this is the investure of every Prince of Wales, in which the vows taken are done in the personal:


--- Quote ---The Prince's formal response was: "I, Charles, Prince of Wales, do become your liege man of life and limb and of earthly worship and faith and truth I will bear unto you to live and die against all manner of folks."
--- End quote ---

This oath of personal vassalship is the effective manner in which the Crown retains control of Wales, outside of course of granting said regency to the heirs presumtive. I'd imagine a renewal of Utari's vows by his successors would be something that'd be done as a matter of course, but certainly I'd see it as somewhat scandalous for a successor to not renew the vassalship without a very good reason. While they're not directly being pledged to the Lord, Utari's vassalship is going to bind and effect them very much whever they like it or not, and Amarrian society doesn't bode well generally for those that change tact from their ancestors. The ties should be considered de facto and the renewing of the oaths fulfilling the de jure.

In regards to the binding itself as a kind of slavery, of course one isn't a slave, but vassalship is very much described as a process of creating a lasting tie. The details of what Utari gets and what he's expected to do are, of course, very much negotiable in-character, but even in some of Mitara'a own linked source, investure can be held as the pledger joining the household of the liege in service in return for those priviledges.

Utari Onzo:
Looks like I missed my 2nd year in review. I'll have to fix that but first, I have to admit to a lack of enjoyment steering Utari of late. I get the sense of either somewhat losing my way with playing him, or perhaps getting just a bit too personally invested with his recent struggles. More on that in the full review, but tl;dr I've hit the stuck in a rut stage.

Ché Biko:
I was wondering why Ché had not seen as much of a glimpse of Onzo since coming to the Lamp...for Onzo.
FYI, as a method actor, I am familiar with your dilemma.
 :cube:
Have fun kissing your review. :P

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