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Title: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 11:24
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New Eden Assembly
Channel Name: New Eden Assembly


A union of capsuleers from all empires and organizations, discussing and debating resolutions to universal issues.





New Eden Assembly (NEA) - Information (https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1PfiKSmiGBRDoBOHgTuLOnoZLUhkZkNCWuNbaVTRJNTU&authkey=CJffxLcF#)

NEA - Upcoming Events (https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Mrwvb_8fcNdWJt3M_iyN0x7IPEJoM8Rm0rQFiXsPRXA&authkey=CKn-m84H#)


Charter of the New Eden Assembly Council (NEAC) (https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1GWhhmoq0xAcbyVj7fmo6QMoVgGQEkp1TVrRuD5XfZxA&authkey=CIrYjJYD&hl=en#)

NEAC - Roster (https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1TBe4mR5ii_Da0ODP-oDN_IKfk-Y6sB2nWU9HV-tEdUY&authkey=CMLRkeEJ#)

NEAC - Amendments, Declarations, and Actions (https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1uEgu-yVSdlsNaZTiAV4QM6oiFTo_71DxzM7rA42UH6Q&authkey=CICAw7QF#)
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Casiella on 02 Aug 2010, 11:48
Interesting. I'd thought of something similar relating to scientific discussions, conferences, etc., so I'll keep an eye on how this works out.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 11:49
Added a description of the Assembly.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Kaleigh Doyle on 02 Aug 2010, 12:07
See, now this is a channel I'd enjoy (*likes writing speeches*) and has tremendous potential. Great work, Ben.  :) Will you be using the MOTD to display scheduled speakers and events?

Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 12:10
Quote from: Kaleigh Doyle on 02 Aug 2010, 12:07
See, now this is a channel I'd enjoy (*likes writing speeches*) and has tremendous potential. Great work, Ben.  :) Will you be using the MOTD to display scheduled speakers and events?

Of course. The goal is to make this so active, and so useful, that it acts as the standard for any seminar / debate. That's way into the future though.

It's also easier for people to become introduced into the intricacies of our capsuleer RP. If someone asks "Where's this and this being held?" it won't be a race to find out what channel it's being held on. One channel, one solution.

Thanks for the comment.  :)
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: orange on 02 Aug 2010, 13:09
So... what about when the channel is "dead?"

Will there be standing topics of discussion relating to recent happenings (fx atm U'K's dissolution)?
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 13:12
Quote from: orange on 02 Aug 2010, 13:09
So... what about when the channel is "dead?"

Will there be standing topics of discussion relating to recent happenings (fx atm U'K's dissolution)?

I don't understand. I'll personally keep it updated if no one is on it for long periods of time, yes. Additionally, it's free for public use if there isn't any event happening.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Silver Night on 02 Aug 2010, 13:31
Good luck, and I'll certainly join. Is rule #4 in effect when there isn't a specific speaker?
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 13:34
Quote from: Silver Night on 02 Aug 2010, 13:31
Good luck, and I'll certainly join. Is rule #4 in effect when there isn't a specific speaker?

Nope, or else it would be boring. Though I would like to distinguish it from the Summit, because I don't want it to be a "Summit killer". Two Summits doesn't mean anything to the average player; they'll join the one that the most people are in, or the better RP.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: orange on 02 Aug 2010, 14:26
Quote from: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 13:12
Quote from: orange on 02 Aug 2010, 13:09
So... what about when the channel is "dead?"

Will there be standing topics of discussion relating to recent happenings (fx atm U'K's dissolution)?

I don't understand. I'll personally keep it updated if no one is on it for long periods of time, yes. Additionally, it's free for public use if there isn't any event happening.
For the first question, I meant when an event was not happening.  It seems you have updated the description or I read over it to clarify it.

As to the second question; a standing topic may be a good thing to introduce as discussion starters (assuming that is part of the goal?).  Especially if the topic(s) are based on recent discussions/debates; links to previous events transcripts might help those trying to add themselves to the community to do so.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 14:34
Discussing recent news events is a good thing to do, basically for the reasons you just mentioned. I will experiment with the MOTD until it fits right with the channel, including news events and upcoming speakers / events.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Silver Night on 02 Aug 2010, 14:46
You might think about doing something I recently start doing at, I think, Nola's? suggestion. I put up links to recent news items. You could also just have 1 at a time, if it relates to the current 'topic' being focused on.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 15:04
Quote from: Silver Night on 02 Aug 2010, 14:46
You might think about doing something I recently start doing at, I think, Nola's? suggestion. I put up links to recent news items. You could also just have 1 at a time, if it relates to the current 'topic' being focused on.

Good idea, thanks.

Wasn't expecting this much support.  :D
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: The Cosmopolite on 03 Aug 2010, 15:55
Good initiative. I may offer to speak if it would be welcome.

Cos
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 16:03
Quote from: The Cosmopolite on 03 Aug 2010, 15:55
Good initiative. I may offer to speak if it would be welcome.

Cos


Anyone is welcome, any alliance, any corporation, any person.
Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
Post by: Mister Screwball on 03 Aug 2010, 18:14
Quote from: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 11:24
    New Eden Assembly
    ((Channel Name: New Eden Assembly))



    • Sansha's Nation sympathizers are not permitted to enter the Assembly, at any time, due to hostile threats and the current conflicts that are ensuing.
    is this a forever ban or is it temporary?
    Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
    Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 18:19
    Quote from: Mister Screwball on 03 Aug 2010, 18:14
    Quote from: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Aug 2010, 11:24
      New Eden Assembly
      ((Channel Name: New Eden Assembly))



      • Sansha's Nation sympathizers are not permitted to enter the Assembly, at any time, due to hostile threats and the current conflicts that are ensuing.
      is this a forever ban or is it temporary?

      This is an in-character decision made by Shepherd due to the recent attacks and the current hostile behavior that Nation maintains. If the attacks end, or somehow Nation becomes less hostile, then the ban will be lifted.

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      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 18:22
      How do you define who is a supporter of the Nation?
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 18:35
      Quote from: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 18:22
      How do you define who is a supporter of the Nation?

      Characters that Shepherd has seen on other public forums (The Summit, IGS) that ICly speak proudly of Nation and support their efforts. Allowing them would create tensions and hostility with other characters who oppose Nation.

      It's all dynamic, so if CCP decided that the Federation were to engage in a large-scale war with the State, extra care would be taken to keep the Assembly safe from the hostilities.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 18:46
      Quote from: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 18:35

      Characters that Shepherd has seen on other public forums (The Summit, IGS) that ICly speak proudly of Nation and support their efforts. Allowing them would create tensions and hostility with other characters who oppose Nation.

      So the moderation is IC?

      I mean, for example, Silver is a supporter of the a resurgent 'utopian' Nation, but not a supporter of their currents actions. I would hazard that he wouldn't be banned, while someone like Lilith's character would?

      Quote
      It's all dynamic, so if CCP decided that the Federation were to engage in a large-scale war with the State, extra care would be taken to keep the Assembly safe from the hostilities.

      By banning one of the sides? If so, which one?
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 18:53
      The Assembly promotes peaceful debates and discussions. A character that didn't support those rules would not speak in the Assembly until they got their act together. Nation supporters who don't support the attacks could enter, but would be under careful scrutiny because of said attacks. I reworded the rules to reflect this.

      Wartime actions between factions would not result in a ban, but the moderator in charge of a debate involving either faction would make sure that one side wasn't saying "We are going to destroy your empire, you're pathetic", etc. Diplomacy is the keyword.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:03
      There is a recognized difference between pirate and Empire factions, then?

      Also, what about, for example, Minmatar RP corps that take a lot of offensive action (Terrorist/Freedom fighter) - or even the ones, like Du'uma Fiisi, that simply define themselves as terrorists?

      Or adversaries of main factions who might take military action and are not pirates - militant Intaki separatists, that kind of thing?
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 19:11
      From Shepherd's eyes, Nation's previous actions resulted in all of the empires banding together to eliminate the threat. Pirates who use force to achieve problems relating to them, and not to all of humanity, are different. Nation advocates a large philosophical and ideological change that involves billions of people in the universe changing their view about human cloning and capsule technology. A separatist faction advocates for independence from a part of society.

      I see what you mean about this though, so it'll take some time before things can be refined completely. Again, all of this can be altered with IC interactions in the Assembly and with basic RP, so come on in and make your case!
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:13
      So, would an enthusiastically pro-reclaiming (Reclaiming-as-slavery) Amarr be banned?

      Is it going to be a case-by-case kind of thing?
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 19:24
      Quote from: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:13
      So, would an enthusiastically pro-reclaiming (Reclaiming-as-slavery) Amarr be banned?

      Is it going to be a case-by-case kind of thing?

      If that Amarrian were to present his views in a logical manner, then no banning would occur. I hate that word because it makes it seem as if things my character doesn't like are to be banished forever, but it is there just to make everything calm, cool, and collected. Things will heat up, but not in the sense that a gun will do to the head of an enemy.

      The moderator that is there during a debate will watch over it. I am considering whether it would be best to let the moderator ask questions that each side wishes to ask to the other, or let the two groups discuss it themselves.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:28
      The Sansha who can lay out a case for the attacks in a logical way is a no-go, though?

      As far as format, you can probably find some good formats, for holding structured discussion or debates, online.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 19:31
      The Sansha supporters who aren't involved in the attacks and can support the attacks can make their case. The Sansha suppporters that actively attack and support them can't.

      I may introduce options for players to vote on issues in a democratic way in regards to what the Assembly does and how it acts. (i.e. - If the majority of players vote for a new rule, it'll be formed and refined by consensus.)
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:39
      I'm struggling to see the basic difference between the Nation supporter who participates in the attacks, but can make a logical case (however flawed) for them, and the member of an Amarr RP corp who is a proponent of a violent reclaiming and acts as such (attacking people, etc) but can still conduct a discussion in a reasonable manner.

      OFC, since the moderation is to be IC, it can just be 'the people who run the place think the Sanshas are evil'. That's perfectly legit.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 19:42
      Quote from: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:39
      I'm struggling to see the basic difference between the Nation supporter who participates in the attacks, but can make a logical case (however flawed) for them, and the member of an Amarr RP corp who is a proponent of a violent reclaiming and acts as such (attacking people, etc) but can still conduct a discussion in a reasonable manner.

      OFC, since the moderation is to be IC, it can just be 'the people who run the place think the Sanshas are evil'. That's perfectly legit.

      Touche.

      After thinking about it, it wouldn't be fair to one side of roleplayers to be restricted in that sense, if it's objectivity I'm trying to bring. The audience and debaters will determine the overall opinion of who is right / wrong / even. The thread will be updated.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:48
      With sufficiently clear guidelines, and good moderation, I think you can probably foster the sort of environment you would like (and have a place that is differentiated in tone and content from The Summit) without specifically excluding certain groups.


      It will probably take a lot of hands-on moderation, at least at first, though.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Lillith Blackheart on 03 Aug 2010, 20:59
      Quote from: Silver Night on 03 Aug 2010, 19:39
      I'm struggling to see the basic difference between the Nation supporter who participates in the attacks, but can make a logical case (however flawed) for them, and the member of an Amarr RP corp who is a proponent of a violent reclaiming and acts as such (attacking people, etc) but can still conduct a discussion in a reasonable manner.

      OFC, since the moderation is to be IC, it can just be 'the people who run the place think the Sanshas are evil'. That's perfectly legit.

      I agree with this. Clearly Lillith supports the attacks and is involved with them when I'm around when they happen (I wish they would happen exactly 1 hour later so they stopped happening while I was at work, BUT I DIGRESS). However if you watch her in The Summit and channels and whatnot, she's not exactly argumentive, she attempts to use logic to defeat peoples' arguments, not just yelling and insulting.

      In fact she spends more time deflecting insults than flinging them. It's just her way.

      So the question then is would I be barred or no? I realize you responded about changing something, but I'm just asking for clarity's sake.

      Edit: Heck, and I even think Benjamin and Lillith get along. Haha. ;)
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 03 Aug 2010, 21:05
      Nope, and right now there are some major changes that I am working on with other players about this, and how it would work in the EVE roleplaying community.

      I'll explain more as this becomes closer to actual release time, because right now it's a dry run.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 07 Aug 2010, 01:15
      Sorry for the doublepost, but it would be better for communicative purposes to subscribe to the Assembly Weekly mailing list. I'll post updates on when we will be officially open, and what changes will be coming, etc.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Graanvlokkie on 07 Aug 2010, 03:35
      I really like the concept and I would frequent the channel, depending on the speakers and topics.

      Success would depend on the moderation however. To accomplish the channels goals structure and proper moderation become vital.

      My one concern, touched on by both Ghost Hunter and Lilith, is that as soon as supporters of various factions/alliances are ipso facto banned from the channel, the channel will loose the sense of independence and impartiality, merely because this decision would be an in character decision, based on yours characters political views. Your character doesn’t like Sansha’s Nation, ban them. Guirista’s getting out of hand in your region of space, ban them. Blood Raiders killing infants again, ban them. Minmatar freedom fighters bomb a caldari space station, ban them. Provists a pain in the ass, ban them.

      Doesn’t seem like a neutral, impartial setting to have a debate. Plus, you can’t have a meaningful debate if only people sharing a common view are present.

      That’s why moderation would be vital. I would suggest letting the “other side” in to participate and debate, but feel free to kick individual members out who cant follow the rules or who perhaps make points that are just too good.

      Plus, any no sansha supporter’s rule would bar me from entering, before I have done anything wrong.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 07 Aug 2010, 08:51
      Your point touches on something that I have been working on that adds as an additional part of the Assembly that I feel will satisfy your issues. It should be announced by August 14th.

      Also, under no circumstances, IC or OOC, would I EVER ban multiple groups from using the Assembly. Banning any person would only happen if Assembly rules were broken, due to the nature of EVE being combative.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Boma Airaken on 08 Aug 2010, 05:52
      Yet another reason I cannot understand why you are in RK instead of doing something with your time that reflects you as a person and character.

      ETA: Can people have claws/bazookas for hands and poison everyone to death with vaporware?
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 08 Aug 2010, 10:50
      Quote from: Boma Airaken on 08 Aug 2010, 05:52
      Yet another reason I cannot understand why you are in RK instead of doing something with your time that reflects you as a person and character.

      ETA: Can people have claws/bazookas for hands and poison everyone to death with vaporware?

      lol, you're the fifth person to say that.

      I joined Moira ICly; Rote Kappelle was a surprise. So yeah, hope you appreciate the mindfuck.  8)
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 12 Aug 2010, 20:00
      The New Eden Assembly and New Eden Council has been officially announced. The Charter of the New Eden Council is now available for public viewing.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 12 Aug 2010, 20:40
      What constitutes a debate, for purposes of Title II, Article 3F?
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 12 Aug 2010, 22:41
      Quote from: Silver Night on 12 Aug 2010, 20:40
      What constitutes a debate, for purposes of Title II, Article 3F?

      Anything that you can consider large-scale and often lack definitive answers. Which side is right in a war, which empire is better for everyone, which pirate group is the worst / best, if there is no God / is a God, etc.

      Small things like discussing the news or commenting on someone's recent promotion or business deal don't apply. It's sort of a "speak and see" thing.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 19 Aug 2010, 15:39
      On Sunday, August 22nd, at 21:00 ((5:00pm EST)), I will begin the first discussion on the Assembly floor, entitled Culture: Preservation or Societal Integration? . I look forward to speaking with attendees during this open forum.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Silver Night on 20 Aug 2010, 01:57
      Best of luck. I'll try to make it if I can, even with busy RL atm /o\
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Shal Firestorm on 20 Aug 2010, 02:09
      Cool, I'll have to join and sit in, sounds like a fun topic to kick off with!
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Syn Callibri on 23 Aug 2010, 10:31
      I'm Syn Callibri and I endorse this plan.

      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: April Knox on 24 Aug 2010, 14:32
      CROW accepts being representatives of the Caldari - Practical Block, thou acting as a subsidiary of NOH Corporation instead of the slightly more powerful SuVee.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 25 Aug 2010, 20:17
      Made it easier for everyone to access the information on the OP.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 02 Sep 2010, 23:46
      The Assembly will be holding an open debate on the subject of military coalitions and their effectiveness in various regions, entitled Military Coalitions: Goals, Struggles, and Support on Sunday, September 5th, at 21:00(5:00pm EST / 10:00pm GMT). I will be acting as the head moderator for this event.

      I invite all military generals, military-focused corporate officers, and pirate cartel officers to take part in what I believe will be an intellectually relevant discussion. Questions from the Assembly audience will be permitted.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 20 Oct 2010, 07:53
      Copy and pasta:

      A presidential debate will commence within the Assembly hall today, Wednesday, October 20th, at 21:00 EVE Standard Time. It will last for no longer than an hour. The topics will be focused on Assembly-specific issues, such as how each candidate will assist with debate brainstorming within the Council, planning capsuleer summits, et cetera.

      For clarification, the two Councilors running for President are John Revenent and Graelyn.

      If you have questions for both candidates, message me before the debate and I will present some of those questions to the candidates during the debate.
      Title: Re: New Eden Assembly
      Post by: Benjamin Shepherd on 21 Oct 2010, 18:23
      Wow, quadruple post ftw.

      After two weeks of voting, the Council has elected John Revenent as President of the New Eden Assembly Council. The votes were counted as follows:

      John Revenent - 7
      Graelyn - 3
      Abstain - 2
      Void - 4

      I thank the Councilors that voted, and the capsuleers that listened to the presidential debate yesterday. Beginning immediately, I shall now act as Council Adjunct, with Mr. Revenent taking over the Director's roles, and those granted to him by the Charter. Mr. Revenent will have one week to select a Vice President and Council Chair, as per the Charter.