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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE Character Development => Topic started by: Streya on 31 May 2013, 11:09
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Otherwise titled "Actually aligning my roleplay with my gameplay."
Hey everyone. When I first started this game I would have considered myself a "light roleplayer" in that I didn't interact much with the RP community, but rather was a huge fan of the fiction surrounding the EVE universe and would nerd out about it with other players. I had silently thought up traits and characteristics of my toon at the time, and though the character was never shared with anyone else it definitely had an impact on how I played the game.
From day one I was inspired by the immense scale of the EVE Online universe. The very first T2 ship I could ever fly was a Cheetah, and from the moment I could step into the hull I slapped a probe launcher onto the thing and started exploring. I was getting bored with FW and wanted to try nullsec missioning out, so I sneaked my way down to Stain since Sansha standings conflicted least with my high Minmatar standings. My first real interaction with any big-name roleplayer was when I encountered Ghost Hunter in Stain (RV5-DW, if I recall correctly!).
Fast forward some time and I've burnt that character out through countless faction-swaps, corp-hops, and with needlessly dramatic roleplay. So I started a new one and wanted to return to the roots of what got me hooked to EVE: exploration. So I made an exploration character that would match my RP with how I want to play the game.
And then a wardec happened. (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=240040)
Wat? Didn't I just stop playing a character specifically to get away from FW frigate combat and derpy character antics, which I found frustrating? I certainly did, but due to unfortunate circumstances Streya had to be the character to make the big IGS announcement, which has probably burnt up any reputation she has as a character permanently. I warned against the making of the IGS post, but at the end of the day I'm not the one running my corporation. Where OOCly the wardec is a celebration of conflict in EVE and will hopefully result in some gudfites, it has ICly been made out to be this huge goal that is quite frankly untenable. So I'm going to call this character's reputation and validity burnt and simply go back to non-interaction with the greater roleplay community, at least IC. My outlet for roleplay will be what it was before: creative writing, blogs, chronicles, and resultant nerding out about those things with other players OOC.
More this:
[spoiler](http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/thumb/c/cc/Anathema3.jpg/200px-Anathema3.jpg)[/spoiler]
And hopefully less this:
[spoiler](http://static.redditgifts.com/images/uploaded/profile-photo-small/awkwaaaard/derpina-992.jpg)[/spoiler]
Of course I'll still be hanging out on Backstage and in various OOC channels, but I see no reason to interact with people's characters IC if it begins to negatively impact the image I had of my character and shift it away from aligning with my actual gameplay. I'll also stay in my current corporation since I've already invested a lot of time and resources into it, and like the people and environment it provides.
I was silently competent at what I did before I began explicitly roleplaying, and I'd really rather go back to being viewed as such than not simply because of an IGS post I didn't particularly agree with making in the first place.
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Streya, PM me on eve-mail.
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Pity.
Personally I thought it was a well-written post, and I was pleased to see someone finally posting about actual corp-to-corp warfare on the IGS again. Traditional wardecs seem to have become a sadly neglected mechanism between RPers of various stripes, largely discarded in favor of FW or even just simple piracy.
Is it an overly ambitious war with an overly ambitious stated goal? Quite possibly, I wouldn't know. I see nothing at all "derpy" about it, though. You essentially seem to have issued a challenge committing you to an action that may result in some embarrassment if you fail to meet your objectives.
So maybe you'll get to eat some crow afterwards, and maybe there'll be some gloating, but trying and failing at an ambitious endeavor does not (or at least should not) break a character, or a corp for that matter. As long as you guys back up the IGS announcement with action and give it your best, I for one will respect you for that, even if you fail.
And if it's the people sneering at your character for being "the new Jade" or somesuch that get to you, don't tear yourself up about that. Feel smug about it instead.
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And if it's the people sneering at your character for being "the new Jade" or somesuch that get to you, don't tear yourself up about that. Feel smug about it instead.
Oh I do.
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Of course I'll still be hanging out on Backstage and in various OOC channels, but I see no reason to interact with people's characters IC if it begins to negatively impact the image I had of my character and shift it away from aligning with my actual gameplay. I'll also stay in my current corporation since I've already invested a lot of time and resources into it, and like the people and environment it provides.
I was silently competent at what I did before I began explicitly roleplaying, and I'd really rather go back to being viewed as such than not simply because of an IGS post I didn't particularly agree with making in the first place.
I'd like to point out that the person responsible for negatively impacting the image of your character in this affair would solely be you. If someone dragged Streya in a situation where she looks bad you should take that beef - IC - up with the responsible person. It can actually lead to character development and immersive RP, because mistakes, misjudgements and a lack of success actually belongs to consequent roleplaying as much as positive achievements and successes. But it's your game, and if you decide to ignore what has happened genuine good luck with trying to make people forget it.
I'm just kind of amazed that this was caused by and over, well, nothing actually.
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As one of the receivers of said war, I don't really see it as any sort of derpy war from an IC point of view. I recognize that it's a frustrating war for you, both because you prefer to fight in larger ships while we are pretty exclusively a frigate combat corp and because you feel you were pressed into this position of appearing as the "new Jade". I can't really speak to the former, but I'm a little curious why you let yourself get put into the position of being the spokesperson for a position that you don't really care about.
As far as that position goes, and the war in general, I think it's all good. Speaking as a former Jericho Fraction director, I loved the crazy posthumanist screeds that Jade would post as justifications for our wars - which is realistically what they were: justifications. As a corporation, Jericho Fraction discovered that it was a huge pile of fun to fight scrappy wars while engaging in IC agitprop, so that's what we did. It polarized a lot of people with regard to JF, and it gave us a nice pool of both allies and enemies. If that's not something that sounds fun to you, though, then that's a good reason to avoid those sorts of posts in the future. I don't know. That's only something that you, yourself, can say.
From a strategic and tactical point of view, this has got to be a really tough war for you guys. Your stated goal is to remove us from the Minmatar war zone. The only way to do that is to make it so difficult for us to go about our daily business that we pack it in. However, we are frigate specialists, and frigates have an unprecedented ability to dictate the choice of engagement. If I were in your shoes, I would give some serious thought to whether or not that goal is feasible. I'm not saying it's not, but I am saying that it's tricky. We win, after all, by simply ignoring you and going about our business. JF found itself in your position many times. Sometimes we were able to achieve our stated goals anyways, but that always required unconventional thinking.
What happens if you can't win this war? That's also something that JF faced many times. Sometimes you have to simply admit "we didn't win this one" and move on. In a war like this with an existing agitprop campaign, you're going to have to eat some crow (as Natalcya says) if you drop the wardec. So what? Shrug it off and move on. Lots of people love underdogs. Hold a post-mortem for the war - what went right, what went wrong, what should you have done instead. Regroup, learn, get stronger, and come back to win your next war.
In any case, I don't think anyone of consequence views you as incompetent because of any of this. I certainly don't.
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Aside from getting kills I don't think [DUTY] has achieved any stunning victories in its career. We've, however, not set us up to any grand goals. But in the end we weren't able to hold Galmil at bay in Enaluri (For Des that includes the WHG deployments, too), we didn't win the Caldari Prime thing.. I don't think this makes one's character look bad. It was, however, overall a lot of fun and we've learned a lot.
So you could also use this as a tool to get cooperation up in the corp and try to make the best out of the situation, try out tactics and fits, etc.
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:eek: Really? Now people on my contact list stop RP-ing before I even started to properly interact with them? :ugh: What will be The Community's next move? :lol:
In all seriousness: :( :cube:
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Granted I haven't had to yet, but if I started a RP war I'd state and objective and a deadline. That would keep a conflict from dragging out forever with little point. If the war doesn't go as well as you'd like you back out at the deadline and concede that your goals were not met by the desired date.
I have to say that the return of IGS wars is an exciting thing and I approve. :cube:
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I have to say that the return of IGS wars is an exciting thing and I approve. :cube:
Oh, I couldn't agree more!
I was going back through history looking for an example of a fairly public war loss, and I found this one from my own history. (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=57097) For me, the war was a loss as I was unable to stop the Lame Ducks from suicide ganking miners (the grand total of the war was something like 3 frigates destroyed on both sides, plus a damaged BB). It was a gigantic pile of fun writing it up, though, and it ended up introducing me to some really great folks who made my next couple of years in Eve a total blast.
One thing I did notice, however, comparing that thread to yours, Streya: There seems to be much more of a culture of humiliation nowadays in Eve. All the ribbing in my thread was pretty gentle "ha ha, only serious" stuff. In yours, people are just steamrollering you - not Pyre folks so much, but uninvolved people. I don't particularly approve.
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It certainly hasn't made me respect anybody less OOC. IC, of course, there will be words with Saede later - you're my friend and you wardecced my corporation when you KNEW I was stranded out in space and they were looking for me?!
I do think the war, as it stands, is unwinnable for AP - I could write a dissertation about why the WarDec was unneccessary and doomed to failure. On the other hand if the War was more about making a moral statement than inflicting a crushing defeat, then that should be fine.
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I don't think you've lost quite as much RP cred as you seem to feel you have. Don't lose heart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eVGmpX3IaE). Whether you win or lose the war, the IGS mud-slinging or the in-space parts of it, is far less important than your conduct during it. In the very worst case, eating crow with some measure of dignity is a very useful skill to learn.
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As far as that position goes, and the war in general, I think it's all good. Speaking as a former Jericho Fraction director, I loved the crazy posthumanist screeds that Jade would post as justifications for our wars - which is realistically what they were: justifications. As a corporation, Jericho Fraction discovered that it was a huge pile of fun to fight scrappy wars while engaging in IC agitprop, so that's what we did. It polarized a lot of people with regard to JF, and it gave us a nice pool of both allies and enemies. If that's not something that sounds fun to you, though, then that's a good reason to avoid those sorts of posts in the future. I don't know. That's only something that you, yourself, can say.
See, this is totally what I want. I love running wardecs. They were what I did before I started RPing, and there haven't been any big IGS RP wars in aaaages, and its something I really want to see more of. Our justifications OOCly for this war were basically that Veik was begging for someone to decc them, we thought it'd be fun (I still think it's great fun), and we wanted to see a return to the ideological wars of days past. So our point to posting to the IGS was less to say anything specific and more just for the purpose of making a post at all. I've been told Anslol's been taking bets in the war, which I find awesome, I find less awesome rumours of blues betting against us, but wahey its their money. I feel like, Streya's issue is to feel like the IC flak being received in the thread will somehow translate into our characters being 'ruined for all time' or result in us being disrespected as players, which I don't see at all.
From a strategic and tactical point of view, this has got to be a really tough war for you guys. Your stated goal is to remove us from the Minmatar war zone. The only way to do that is to make it so difficult for us to go about our daily business that we pack it in. However, we are frigate specialists, and frigates have an unprecedented ability to dictate the choice of engagement. If I were in your shoes, I would give some serious thought to whether or not that goal is feasible. I'm not saying it's not, but I am saying that it's tricky. We win, after all, by simply ignoring you and going about our business. JF found itself in your position many times. Sometimes we were able to achieve our stated goals anyways, but that always required unconventional thinking.
What happens if you can't win this war? That's also something that JF faced many times. Sometimes you have to simply admit "we didn't win this one" and move on. In a war like this with an existing agitprop campaign, you're going to have to eat some crow (as Natalcya says) if you drop the wardec. So what? Shrug it off and move on. Lots of people love underdogs. Hold a post-mortem for the war - what went right, what went wrong, what should you have done instead. Regroup, learn, get stronger, and come back to win your next war.
This is really my thoughts on things as well. I think there's been a good deal too much emotional backlash IRL for what has been said about our characters, and fears that we won't be able to recruit, or enjoy RPing because of it, and I definitely want to try to bring it back to being about our characters and not about us. If Saede can't pull a victory out of her ass, then she admits she lost, and we lurk back into our wormhole to plan our next move. The fear seems to be that if we can't win, it will make no one want to fly with us, because we will appear incompetent. I'm not too worried about that, and think it won't be an issue as long as we bring the fights. I only regret being as busy as I have been, and not been able to put more time to chasing you guys down.
Overall, I think this has been decently fun, I think me and Streya both kind of freaked out OOC when we got told off OOC for doing what we did and called derpy and drama starting and attention whoring. And there were a few IC attacks on the IGS thread that seemed very much to be in the vein of veiled attacks on us as players. I'm trying to just roll with the punches. My only worry at this point is that it might somehow make it impossible to grow the corporation, but I think that fear is likely baseless.
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Your character isn't perfect and might have to publicly eat crow.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
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Overall, I think this has been decently fun, I think me and Streya both kind of freaked out OOC when we got told off OOC for doing what we did and called derpy and drama starting and attention whoring. And there were a few IC attacks on the IGS thread that seemed very much to be in the vein of veiled attacks on us as players. I'm trying to just roll with the punches. My only worry at this point is that it might somehow make it impossible to grow the corporation, but I think that fear is likely baseless.
That's a good attitude to take, and I don't think you really have anything to worry about in terms of corp reputation.
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I've been told Anslol's been taking bets in the war, which I find awesome, I find less awesome rumours of blues betting against us, but wahey its their money
Is that really a rumor? I distinctly remember posting in the IGS thread.
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Well, if you can't inflict damage on us such that you disrupt our operations it's also very true that we can't exactly camp your wormhole and burn your POS. It's not like this wardec threatens your core business anymore than it threatens ours, is it?
So, really, this is just extra activity for both our organisations members, plus some RP that will also be fun. And if having fun hurts recruitment then we might as well ALL uninstall and biomass. :D
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Ahoi,
by camping their WH we'd be 'not taking part in SLAVERY in the amarr-minmatar warzone', so it'd be kind of a suicidal success I say.
My drunken confession for tonight is that I said "They don't want us to do it, so let's do it" after hearing of the goal for that wardec.
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A lot of people here seem to think I wanted, OOC, to post on the IGS. I didn't. If these people understood our internal RP (and the fact that Saede is banned from the EVE-O forums), then of course the only person who is in any position to post on behalf of our corp is me. So if I like my corporation, want to remain in it, and am told to post, then I post. I wanted us to remain silent on the dec because I knew going in there'd be little chance of displacing a frigate-exclusive FW corp that can quickly replace its losses, and for the most part Pieter hit the nail on the head: it was to give us an extra activity to do, because we're floating in a bit of ISK and are bored.
Instead we've made bold claims I/Streya knew are untenable. Outside of being told to post, there's really no reason I would have posted at all. In other words I feel like I'm eating crow because I was told to take actions I didn't agree with, and I'm not sure I'm fine with that. I'll be the first to admit I couldn't kill most kite ships to save my life, and I wouldn't claim IC that I can do so either.
All in all this isn't very much of a war, and I'm not sure that I'm going to throw more ships into the wringer and make myself look even worse; at the end of the day DUTY folks can simply choose not to engage my typical ships of choice, and if I try to refit into something more exotic that doesn't/won't end well either. Of course Saede has the final say on everything, but I have been nagging her about this...
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So if I like my corporation, want to remain in it, and am told to post, then I post.
Holy crap. You're Caldari! We should have a little chat about recruitment. ;)
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So if I like my corporation, want to remain in it, and am told to post, then I post.
Holy crap. You're Caldari! We should have a little chat about recruitment. ;)
I can be rather Caldari-esque out of character! If I hadn't co-founded a corp and instead rolled a Caldari toon as my "reincarnation" main I could definitely see myself flying with you guys.
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This doesn't sound like an RP problem.
It sounds like you're having an OOC problem with a corp mate.
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I would say that's probably accurate Makkal, and we have had words.
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Aside from getting kills I don't think [DUTY] has achieved any stunning victories in its career. We've, however, not set us up to any grand goals. But in the end we weren't able to hold Galmil at bay in Enaluri (For Des that includes the WHG deployments, too), we didn't win the Caldari Prime thing.. I don't think this makes one's character look bad. It was, however, overall a lot of fun and we've learned a lot.
So you could also use this as a tool to get cooperation up in the corp and try to make the best out of the situation, try out tactics and fits, etc.
Just saw this bit. Yes! I am definitely taking advantage of the situation and coming to conclusions on how to fight agile kite frigs. It's definitely been a learning experience.
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I think you may give too much credit to people's ability to separate the corp and the person doing the announcement, when it is not specified clearly, considering the rampant amount of ad-hominem on the IGS. Who cares anyway ? Characters intelligent enough to make the difference are the ones that will save the day for yours eventually.
Also, on friends and popularity: Pieter. Without Pieter it might have been slightly different. Anyway, Pyre is not as isolated socially than AVLP from what I see. I may be wrong, it mostly stems from my own perception as an outsider.
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(Stuff about posting on behalf of Saede)
I still don't see anything you posted as a problem for Streya. You're operating right now as spokeswoman for your corporation, and I'm sure people see your posts in that context - maybe add something to your Eve forum sig saying "Spokeswoman for ..." to make it obvious.
In any case, you undock and fight. It's more than can be said for many. That alone earns you a measure of respect no matter what the outcome of the war is.
I think it would be a good idea, by the way, to talk OOCly about how we might roll this into the Pieter-is-missing arc. Shin's already convinced that Saede is behind that. It'd be a good way to morph this from an untenable war into another part in a larger RP arc.
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I think it would be a good idea, by the way, to talk OOCly about how we might roll this into the Pieter-is-missing arc. Shin's already convinced that Saede is behind that. It'd be a good way to morph this from an untenable war into another part in a larger RP arc.
I'm in. Saede has her own search for Pieter going on anyway. :D
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You could say the implants made you do it. I think Halete wrote something about escaping from the implants or something.
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You could say the implants made you do it. I think Halete wrote something about escaping from the implants or something.
To be fair, I think the situation with Halete was a bit different than this scenario. Halete didn't OOC enjoy doing wormhole shenanigans and left thusly. IC, when she first joined the corp she voluntarily became part of the telepathic network (as far as I remember ofc; I hadn't gotten back into really roleplaying at that point and might not have been paying proper attention; Halete herself is best suited to explain), and when she left the implants were taken out. As much as we're perceived as using Sansha-esque implants, we roleplay it more as being a two-way cousin to the "telepathy" implants the Empress has with her inner circle. OOC, this just means we can skip a lot of internal conversation roleplay that might take hours to do and simply agree "this happened". So I'm not sure if the "Implants did it" approach would quite work seeing as they are a lot less potent than people may think; good old-fashioned corporate intrigue is probably closer to the truth ;)
But who knows? I've been talking with someone who has suggested that the IGS post was rather uncharacteristic for Streya to make at all, and given that the Wormhole K162 thread was a much more accurate example of the sort of things Streya would post, I can see why someone would think the implants would be involved.
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And also because nation state RP brings you a lot more support than isolated, "exotic" political points of view.
I never said it was a wrong or right thing. I just said it was to be expected, and actually seems quite logical, since it works more or less the same IRL.
This is unfortunately true, but I think we really want to establish a definite "wormhole" roleplay crowd.
Yes, but at the same time ad hominem will make that when Streya will take a position in the future in a debate, people will probably throw that at her face. It is quite common on the IGS, it's even how it works most of the time. "But you are wrong because you are an angel, after all". "But nobody cares what you say anyway considering your employer". "Your point has no value considering what you did in the past". etc.
It is to be expected. I can understand it is not something Streya's player is ready to deal with, although when coming into RP it may be a little naive to believe that one's character will never get any flak that can potentially damage his or her reputation.
However, that is also what gives background and depth to your character and as others have said above, if your character recognize what she did right or wrong and doesn't be a "dick" about it instead, it will garner people respect.
I don't mind flak, honestly, but in this case this isn't the kind of flak I wanted my character taking. "Dramatic cape-twirling cartoon villain" is MUCH less appealing than "Space Indiana Jones", basically, and I think it'd be much more neat if Streya caught public flak for stuff like raiding some sacred ruins for treasure or hacking into someone's database. In other words, the reason I'm so concerned with my character's public image at the moment is because I feel it's been set off on the wrong foot, and I fear it will take the character away from meshing well with my gameplay.
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All playing the "implants made me do it" card achieves is to demonstrate an unwillingness to take responsibility for one's own RP. That's not a good way to avoid derision. Personally I'd much rather own the crow. It goes a lot easier down the throat, that way.
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All playing the "implants made me do it" card achieves is to demonstrate an unwillingness to take responsibility for one's own RP. That's not a good way to avoid derision. Personally I'd much rather own the crow. It goes a lot easier down the throat, that way.
I'm perfectly fine with having my character admit she was wrong/naive, I'm just worried about the relatively long collective memory the RP community has. I'm sure someone's bookmarked everything posted in that thread for later use (and potential blackmail!), and I just worry that I won't be able to get my character back "on track", so to speak.
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Silver was a (willing, enthusiastic) spokesman for Naqam, a Sansha corp. I haven't seen an excess of negative consequences from that in the years since, and what I have seen has been interesting RP. Were I you, I would roll with 'I did my job and my duty for my corp'. If people try to use it against you, depending on how they are using it, either engage for RP or just dismiss them. At the end of the day, ignoring people is a powerful communication tool. Either that, or own up, 'Mistakes were made'. It might seem like eating crow, but it is actually a firm of rhetorical judo in which you turn your opponent's line of attack against them, while making yourself look both reasonable and unfairly attacked - at least when done right.
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I'm perfectly fine with having my character admit she was wrong/naive, I'm just worried about the relatively long collective memory the RP community has. I'm sure someone's bookmarked everything posted in that thread for later use (and potential blackmail!), and I just worry that I won't be able to get my character back "on track", so to speak.
The thing is, once your character does admit she was wrong/naive about something, there's not really a whole lot of leverage people can gain from it, not unless such miscalculations become a repeat occurrence, anyway. A few people may go on harping on about it forever, but they won't really be doing themselves any favors by doing so. And are those really the people whose respect you care about, anyway?
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The thing is, once your character does admit she was wrong/naive about something, there's not really a whole lot of leverage people can gain from it, not unless such miscalculations become a repeat occurrence, anyway. A few people may go on harping on about it forever, but they won't really be doing themselves any favors by doing so. And are those really the people whose respect you care about, anyway?
Without pointing any fingers or referencing any specific circumstances, it has often seemed to me, that the people that cling and harp on about some past fault of a character, are generally cases of OOC grudges bleeding IC. It has often appeared that grudges held ICly don't last nearly as long as those that exist between players. If you don't like someone as a player, it makes a much more compelling reason to try to attack their characters and poke holes in their ideology then simple disagreement.
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Your character makes a reputation for themselves through several means.
- Their own actions. Do or say something people don't like or find objectionable? You're damn right it's going to stick with you for a while.
- People they associate with, which includes corpmates. Hang around people with bad reputations, and you'll get a rep for doing just that - and subsequently for clearly not objecting to their reputation/actions to the point where you would not hang out with them.
- Their corporation history. Join a corporation, and you pick up its baggage. Your corporation will have its own reputation based on the collective actions of its members. What they do, will affect your own reputation, for better or for worse.
- Their allies and enemies. Who you fly with or against will reflect on you and your corporation.
In this case, Streya is in a corporation that has had, well, not the most stellar history IC. Its CEO has done some pretty weird things that people didn't like, and it can say something about people who will willingly associate with someone who's done things like what Saede's done. You're blued with TS-F (or were, at one point) and come across as, in many ways, "Nation Lite™".
Now you're espousing Star Fraction-esque philosophy, rhetoric and methods on the IGS. And attacking another corporation on grounds that appear diametrically opposite to previous stances given by your corporation. A corporation with a pretty solid reputation of its own that is well-known for being primarily made up of frigate specialists, and not very good targets for your chosen type of warfare.
You've made your bed IC, and now unfortunately Streya needs to sleep in it.
All of these are perfectly valid reasons for people to leap down your throat on the IGS, whether they're friends of Pyre Falcon or not. Some will do it because Star Fraction is a heavily polarizing group and subject even years down the line (and people emulating them WILL evoke reactions from people as a result). Some will do it because you're Nation Lite™. Some will do it because you're attacking friends. Some will do it because you're making yourselves look incompetent in various ways. And some will do it because it's a damned trainwreck waiting to happen, and human nature is to watch and gibber about potential disasters-in-progress with awe and fascination. Sure, there might be some 'circle-jerk' to it, but I think there's a lot less of it in this particular case than some are suggesting there is.
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Perhaps, Morwen. I've always tended to judge characters primarily on their own merits rather than the groups they hang out with or their corporation. People will and do associate with other players for purely OOC reasons. In this case, I live with Saede IRL and it would simply be awkward not to be in the same corporation IMO.
My hope is that Streya can be good enough as a character to counteract bad PR stunts like vivisections. I am attempting to be as low-derp as possible. Failing that, I can simply choose to significantly reduce my character's presence in the roleplay community and not much care for the IC scene. Yes, a bed has been made, but it is an entirely fictional one that shouldn't reflect on me as a player. Certainly, you can call the dec fail from a gameplay perspective but honestly it's given me a great and rare opportunity to experiment with ship fits and learn tactics, which I'll take as a success any day.
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After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit of roleplay I feel a bit more confident. I feel like if I play my cards right I can mature my character into a somewhat serious member of the roleplay scene. I just want to be able to roleplay well enough to have meaningful and interesting interactions with other characters that don't result in other players shaking their heads in bewilderment.
I still want to start a character blog though! Are there any solid guidelines on doing that?
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You seem level-headed and mature. I'm glad you're sticking around.
I started a thread about blogging (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4826.0) not too long ago.
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After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit of roleplay I feel a bit more confident. I feel like if I play my cards right I can mature my character into a somewhat serious member of the roleplay scene. I just want to be able to roleplay well enough to have meaningful and interesting interactions with other characters that don't result in other players shaking their heads in bewilderment.
I still want to start a character blog though! Are there any solid guidelines on doing that?
Constantly update. People are far more likely to pay attention to your blog if it regularly provides content. If you update very infrequently, people are unlikely to think to go check it.
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After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit of roleplay I feel a bit more confident. I feel like if I play my cards right I can mature my character into a somewhat serious member of the roleplay scene. I just want to be able to roleplay well enough to have meaningful and interesting interactions with other characters that don't result in other players shaking their heads in bewilderment.
OOC I would certainly embrace further opportunities to RP with Streya. As I recall we have a fairly good relationship IC in a slightly distant, jokey, sort of way.
Given the way the War Dec has resolved, causing little materiel loss or operational disruption to either side, it's unlikely to affect things THAT much, although I look forward to interesting chats with Streya and Saede off the back of it. :)
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OOC I would certainly embrace further opportunities to RP with Streya. As I recall we have a fairly good relationship IC in a slightly distant, jokey, sort of way.
Given the way the War Dec has resolved, causing little materiel loss or operational disruption to either side, it's unlikely to affect things THAT much, although I look forward to interesting chats with Streya and Saede off the back of it. :)
Yeah, Streya admired Pieter's calm and stoic manner when he spoke on The Summit and IGS, but never really got to know him much (directly at least).
As for the wardec, I wouldn't quite call it "resolved" just yet. While everyone knows how the dec will turn out, I am very curious about how a particular set of ships will perform against Condors... :P We should have at least one good squad-on-squad fight before ending the thing! If you could please give us a heads-up for when you'll be able to play EVE more actively again for, I'm sure we can have some fun RP.
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Lemme see... I'll be back in a limited sense from Thursday the 13th of this month. I'll be back fulltime from the end of that week. I look forward to fun and games - losing Condors isn't really a heartbreaker after all. :)
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Poking my head in here to say that while Esna will enthusiastically call out Saede and ALXVP IC, it is because he simply does not like Saede and sees no reason not to step up and say something - same reason he'll periodically appear out of the woodwork to call out other opponents (Cartel, Sansha, hardline Matari, etc).
In some cases people have earned Esna's forgiveness for their past acts. Silver is a prime example of this; there are also several Matari who he is on far better terms now with. However, a key component of this is willingness to show remorse for past actions. All Esna's seen out of ALXVP is a continued chain of "problem actions" coupled with a "well it wasn't me, it was X" mentality with regard to past screwups.
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Poking my head in here to say that while Esna will enthusiastically call out Saede and ALXVP IC, it is because he simply does not like Saede and sees no reason not to step up and say something - same reason he'll periodically appear out of the woodwork to call out other opponents (Cartel, Sansha, hardline Matari, etc).
In some cases people have earned Esna's forgiveness for their past acts. Silver is a prime example of this; there are also several Matari who he is on far better terms now with. However, a key component of this is willingness to show remorse for past actions. All Esna's seen out of ALXVP is a continued chain of "problem actions" coupled with a "well it wasn't me, it was X" mentality with regard to past screwups.
Of course, I can understand why Esna (or any other character) would want to step up and call any one of us out. I'm just trying to fine-tune and better define my own character so that when other characters do call her out she can respond reasonably and realistically. Of course if one wants to play a reasonable character they should only do reasonable things, which is why I made this thread; in-character actions were taken by my character that felt rather out-of-character for her. How do I reconcile my OOC desire to have fun PvPing and exploring dangerous areas of space, with my character's anti-war beliefs?
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Lemme see... I'll be back in a limited sense from Thursday the 13th of this month. I'll be back fulltime from the end of that week. I look forward to fun and games - losing Condors isn't really a heartbreaker after all. :)
Ok Pieter! It'll be awesome :) Though I'm not sure if Streya would want to pew too hard at Pieter. I might have to be more creative with how I engage you...
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Of course if one wants to play a reasonable character they should only do reasonable things, which is why I made this thread; in-character actions were taken by my character that felt rather out-of-character for her. How do I reconcile my OOC desire to have fun PvPing and exploring dangerous areas of space, with my character's anti-war beliefs?
Nuance them? Perhaps it's okay for her to shoot at "pirates," and capsuleer entities who are clearly there to shoot and be shot at. Maybe the situation and Streya's desire to be a friend to her friends makes her into a reluctant soldier - useful character archetype in general.
In general, character consistency is nice to have, but there's also this thing called character growth. There's limits to how far and how fast you can bend it, but those should have more to do with your own wishes than those of the IGS consistency police.
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Poking my head in here to say that while Esna will enthusiastically call out Saede and ALXVP IC, it is because he simply does not like Saede and sees no reason not to step up and say something - same reason he'll periodically appear out of the woodwork to call out other opponents (Cartel, Sansha, hardline Matari, etc).
In some cases people have earned Esna's forgiveness for their past acts. Silver is a prime example of this; there are also several Matari who he is on far better terms now with. However, a key component of this is willingness to show remorse for past actions. All Esna's seen out of ALXVP is a continued chain of "problem actions" coupled with a "well it wasn't me, it was X" mentality with regard to past screwups.
See, Saede has, often shown remorse for her past actions, but Esna hasn't really interacted with her to see that. Saede has a bad blood situation with Kat too, and Kat has said Saede could probably patch things up between them, but not on the summit, however, the only place Saede sees Kat is the summit, so they've kept at barbs. I for one, don't mind my character having detractors or those who don't like her. She is a very polarizing character, regardless of how you're looking at her.
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Poking my head in here to say that while Esna will enthusiastically call out Saede and ALXVP IC, it is because he simply does not like Saede and sees no reason not to step up and say something - same reason he'll periodically appear out of the woodwork to call out other opponents (Cartel, Sansha, hardline Matari, etc).
In some cases people have earned Esna's forgiveness for their past acts. Silver is a prime example of this; there are also several Matari who he is on far better terms now with. However, a key component of this is willingness to show remorse for past actions. All Esna's seen out of ALXVP is a continued chain of "problem actions" coupled with a "well it wasn't me, it was X" mentality with regard to past screwups.
See, Saede has, often shown remorse for her past actions, but Esna hasn't really interacted with her to see that. Saede has a bad blood situation with Kat too, and Kat has said Saede could probably patch things up between them, but not on the summit, however, the only place Saede sees Kat is the summit, so they've kept at barbs. I for one, don't mind my character having detractors or those who don't like her. She is a very polarizing character, regardless of how you're looking at her.
Katrina is almost completely unforgiving when speaking on the Summit itself, unless she's stepped far out of line. So that's why I suggest that RP with Kat in a more personal setting would be far more fruitful. This is one of the reasons I bent the rules a bit and let Saede bribe Kat to get back into the Lounge. That opens up two more private locations to chat: The lounge, and Kat's office down the hall.
On another note though, I thought Saede wanted people to dislike her character, which is kinda why I let Kat go all out haterade and hater-tots on her.
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I thought Saede wanted people to dislike her character
Not really. I don't mind if they do, but it wasn't my intent to make her unlikable, just polarizing. She has very strong opinions that don't jive well with most people. I don't mind her having enemies, I think its good for RP, but I find that characters with no friends either aren't very fun to play.
Also, I'm still banned from the lounge Kat, so... :P
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Also, I'm still banned from the lounge Kat, so... :P
Seriously? I thought I removed you! I might have hit cancel by mistake. I'll check it next time I'm able to log in.
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Also, I'm still banned from the lounge Kat, so... :P
What? Katrina doesn't honor bribes? What kind of diplomat is she? /o\
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Also, I'm still banned from the lounge Kat, so... :P
Seriously? I thought I removed you! I might have hit cancel by mistake. I'll check it next time I'm able to log in.
If you can log in... :lol:
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What? Katrina doesn't honor bribes? What kind of diplomat is she? /o\
I was almost positive I had correctly unbanned her. :/
If you can log in... :lol:
That is precisely what I was referring to. :P
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What? Katrina doesn't honor bribes? What kind of diplomat is she? /o\
I was almost positive I had correctly unbanned her. :/
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It certainly hasn't made me respect anybody less OOC. IC, of course, there will be words with Saede later - you're my friend and you wardecced my corporation when you KNEW I was stranded out in space and they were looking for me?!
I do think the war, as it stands, is unwinnable for AP - I could write a dissertation about why the WarDec was unneccessary and doomed to failure. On the other hand if the War was more about making a moral statement than inflicting a crushing defeat, then that should be fine.
You mean, people Pieter trusted started attacking him and his corp?!?!
Ohnoes!
I thought it was a cool little story, Saede and Streya. Kudos for bringing back wardec threads/threats on IGS.
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I see that I was invoked a few pages back.
I'm not really sure how much I can talk about implantation within ALXVP without dropping spoilers that I shouldn't.
But objectively I would say that the implants Halete was given in ALXVP presented much less of a risk to her liberties than she might indicate In Character; ALXVP did cause her a great deal of personal distress but in the end she was effectively able to 'opt in' and 'opt out'.
But of course, now that she feels badly scorned by this war-dec combined with the bad feels she had to endure whilst with ALXVP, speaking from a purely IC perspective she's of course going to milk that for everything it's worth if it means damaging Saede's reputation.
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Lemme see... I'll be back in a limited sense from Thursday the 13th of this month. I'll be back fulltime from the end of that week. I look forward to fun and games - losing Condors isn't really a heartbreaker after all. :)
\o/ Mah bro's coming back! Woooooot!
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I still want to start a character blog though! Are there any solid guidelines on doing that?
There are a couple of things too keep in mind, particularly if you're writting an IC blog.
1) You're going to have enemies. They are going to look for ways to 'win' against you. They will use anything you post, regardless of how fucking obvious you make it that it's private and not knowable IC, to attack you. Get used to it, or never post anything particularly interesting. Or stick to stuff that is simultaneously interesting without showing off anything private or any character faults, etc.
2) Even people who aren't trying to use it against you will still use things posted publicly as IC knowledge regardless of whether they should. If your RP sphere is strictly limited to people who won't do this, it's not such a big issue, but if you're on IGS, in the Summit, anywhere else where people congregate, you're going to deal with people who read your blog and then try to use that info IC.
Bear in mind that even with people who won't actively use such info IC, knowing it OOC may color their behavior when encountering that info IC. Maybe they won't be as surprised by a secret because they already knew, etc. Or, over time, they'll forget that something they know OOC isn't supposed to be IC - they'll remember learning it, but forget that it was from the blog, and now the character will accidentally refer to it IC.
Fuckin' messy shit right there.
Another option is to write the blog and not publish it publicly, share it with only people who ask to see it and you can talk with about what knowledge their character has access to and so on.
Of course, paying attention to all of the above can make things boring. It's a trade-off.
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I still want to start a character blog though! Are there any solid guidelines on doing that?
There are a couple of things too keep in mind, particularly if you're writting an IC blog.
1) You're going to have enemies. They are going to look for ways to 'win' against you. They will use anything you post, regardless of how fucking obvious you make it that it's private and not knowable IC, to attack you. Get used to it, or never post anything particularly interesting. Or stick to stuff that is simultaneously interesting without showing off anything private or any character faults, etc.
2) Even people who aren't trying to use it against you will still use things posted publicly as IC knowledge regardless of whether they should. If your RP sphere is strictly limited to people who won't do this, it's not such a big issue, but if you're on IGS, in the Summit, anywhere else where people congregate, you're going to deal with people who read your blog and then try to use that info IC.
Bear in mind that even with people who won't actively use such info IC, knowing it OOC may color their behavior when encountering that info IC. Maybe they won't be as surprised by a secret because they already knew, etc. Or, over time, they'll forget that something they know OOC isn't supposed to be IC - they'll remember learning it, but forget that it was from the blog, and now the character will accidentally refer to it IC.
Fuckin' messy shit right there.
Another option is to write the blog and not publish it publicly, share it with only people who ask to see it and you can talk with about what knowledge their character has access to and so on.
Of course, paying attention to all of the above can make things boring. It's a trade-off.
Truer words never spoken.
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my solution to all of that was to go the absolute other direction and just make the blog public in the first place.
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My solution was to use EVE-gate broadcasts. It's IC public (unless you have negative standing) and no one reads it.
Win-win!
:lol:
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I promised a blog. So I made a blog. (http://badwspaceblog.tumblr.com/) Hope it's an entertaining read!