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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Nmaro Makari on 03 May 2014, 15:42
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If you haven't seen it already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTUazuGdTw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTUazuGdTw)
What is? What does mean? Who do?
This trailer and other cryptic stuff of recent note is the topic, lets hear all your theories, no matter how glue-sniffing induced.
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Thing that immediately jumped out at me is that I believe this is the first trailer to ever show one of the Empires in direct conflict with a capsuleer alliance. They've done alliance v alliance and empire v empire, but I'm pretty sure this is the first crossover.
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It's from the Prophecy of Macaper.
From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity. Not an entity such as any you can conceive of, nor I; an entity more primordial than the elements themselves, yet constantly coming into existence even as it is destroyed. It is the Child of Chaos, the Pathway to the Next.
The darkness shall swallow the land, and in its wake there will follow a storm, as the appetite of nothing expands over the world.
From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity.
Dr. Damella Macaper
The Seven Events of the Apocalypse
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Erebus
Other points:
The alliance building the Gate is Drekar Alliance, the alliance that was awoxed and robbed in the Causality trailer.
The Prophecy is not an Amarrian text, so it's interesting that the Theology Council is studying it and considers it to have validity. Is a prophecy still handed down from God if it's spoken by a non-Amarrian? Are they just trying to contain the heretical writings, even if they are true?
Who is the Lord that commands the Imperial Fleet? Is it supposed to be Aritcio?
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nice i thought they dropped macaper's prophecies altogether.....
The trailer has new meaning with that in context.
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So this was the spike in gamma radiation we saw a few months back, I take it. Some new kind of stargate, ostensibly to unknown regions of k-space?
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nice i thought they dropped macaper's prophecies altogether.....
The trailer has new meaning with that in context.
A Macaper quote (unrelated to the Prophecies) opens the EVE: Source book's first chapter "Origins". It might be reasonable to theorise that if Source is intended as the definitive lore background to the EVE universe and that the Prophecies have been retained throughout the lore since the game was first released then they might have some significant role in whatever storyline CCP has planned for EVE in the future.
Of course, that all pre-supposes that there is a storyline in the first place and not just a sandbox social experiment.
Also, Istvaan.
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So this was the spike in gamma radiation we saw a few months back, I take it. Some new kind of stargate, ostensibly to unknown regions of k-space?
It's possible, but I don't think so. There were two spikes in the event(s) you're referencing, possibly related to experiments being carried out at 'Ghost' research facilities - which ended up being the targets of the disastrous combined Empire raids that followed shortly after.
This is where things started to get interesting.
If we look at the chronicles from this time, they seem to be hinting that in an effort to improve the efficiencies of energy production at least some of the experimentation the ghost facilities were doing was using massive villard wheel-type devices in combination with 'blue boxes', the latter possibly there to tweak and up-scale the former's performance.
One researcher seemed to have found a way to generate massive energy output from a disproportionate input. Unfortunately, this resulted in him and most of his facility evaporating in the resulting explosion. His lover repeated the experiment, presumably with similar results - two explosions, two spikes.
For the last 5-6 months we've had access to the Ghost facilities. We've gathered the shattered villard wheels, research tools, etc. we've obtained BPs for implants that modify the efficiencies of ships allowing them to achieve greater warp speeds presumably for the same energy demands (EVE science =/= real science). And I believe it's the null sec pirate factions who have been most interested in buying the components of the ghost facilities back.
I think over coming expansions we'll start to see the development of research and blueprints that make use of the ghost facility drops that - until now - have just been vendor trash (albeit nicely paid for vendor trash). This will lead up to a mad rush by the null-sec alliances and power blocs to build the first of the stargates to new systems, possibly outside of New Eden.
More theories? The last time a new set of systems opened up we were introduced to the Sleepers, a new NPC faction. It's possible that this time we might see another alien entity emerge from whatever cluster is linked to. I'm hopeful that rather than it being blue-skinned bug eyed insect type aliens (or some Saturday afternoon sci-fi alien of the week variation) it's whatever has evolved over the last 20000+ years from the humanity left on the other side of the EVE Gate.
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Its either #4 or #5. The rest don't really apply. I am partial to it being #5.
“the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome”
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Aritcio has hair, I think.
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The Prophecy of Macaper (Chronicle) (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Prophecy_of_Macaper_%28Chronicle%29)
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I've always thought it would be awesome to see some more tinfoil hats and discussion about how every heptagon is actually subtle symbolism of the Macapar Illuminati or something followed by a lot of do you see now? Do. You. See?!
Also, that trailer was a bit too short for me. Should have been at least 40mins with TiDi.
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I've always thought it would be awesome to see some more tinfoil hats and discussion about how every heptagon is actually subtle symbolism of the Macapar Illuminati or something followed by a lot of do you see now? Do. You. See?!
You've now inspired me to have Andreus start prominently displaying a heptagon pendant as part of his normal attire just to get people rumourmongering.
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It is a warning from the God. Heathens are gaining more foothold each day and are planning something very sinister. If her majesty calls us, we will answer. Such abominations will not rule the destiny on man.
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It is a warning from the God. Heathens are gaining more foothold each day and are planning something very sinister. If her majesty calls us, we will answer. Such abominations will not rule the destiny on man.
+1 Awesome as always. :D The only one which understand that the trailer is about the future. So we can not say who is who, maybe even the guy without hair called "Lord" will be then the emperor.
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Fair point, but even if it is the next Emperor it would be someone we know.
It's less of a leap to assume that it's someone already in a position to launch a Navy Fleet. Who that would be would depend on where the order to muster that fleet came from.
If it came from the top, through official channels, then it would likely be Aritcio Kor-Azor (Imperial Chancellor) or Perimum Amyn (Minister of War).
If it came from the top, but for whatever reason didn't go through official channels, Merimeth Sarum or Garkeh Khanid could have been entrusted to quietly muster the fleet. Though in that case it's unlikely that the fleet would have been Imperial.
If the order didn't come from the top at all, but rather from the Theology Council or MIO, and the Throne wasn't informed, then I think the most likely culprit is Yonis Ardishapur. This especially considering Aridia as the staging location of the fleet in the trailer. The Mandate has its own fleets, and likely also hosts several Imperial fleets that Yonis could 'borrow'.
Or... it's just some random admiral.
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Vaari on Backstage..?
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If the order didn't come from the top at all, but rather from the Theology Council or MIO, and the Throne wasn't informed, then I think the most likely culprit is Yonis Ardishapur. This especially considering Aridia as the staging location of the fleet in the trailer. The Mandate has its own fleets, and likely also hosts several Imperial fleets that Yonis could 'borrow'.
I know nothing (much) about the Heirs, but you know that the Ammatar Mandate and Aridia are literally on opposite sides of the Empire right?
"Borrowing" a fleet from one side of the Empire to the other would be near impossible to hide I expect.
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Well derp. That's what I get for winning EVE, I suppose. Ignore everything about Yonis then.
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I'd vote for a Theology Council or MIO force, maybe one of the larger minor houses in Aridia?
"My Lord" can be a pretty all-encompassing title to Amarr, I think anyone after a certain point on the hierarchy is a 'lord' to someone else.
It was a pretty great trailer though, as the EVE trailers often are when they do actual 'lore' focused mini movies.
Seriously though, I would, and I'm sure many others would, pay very good money for full-length CGI films of this quality.
In-fiction, lore based, cgi films are the way to go for this kind of stuff.
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Im going to cap thing's to see what hint's or clues there are to this. Let's begin:
1) The man speaking. No name, nothing. Not even a face. Unlike the trailer for Kuvakei which we SEE him. This one is bare and blank with just a voice.
'From the formless void, this brings an entity. more primordial than the elements themselves. in it's wake, it will follow a storm."...."In it's wake it will follow a storm.'
2) We have Sarum and her close councilor. About heretics constructing a gate.(This is only a massive hint, as CCP has been wanting to bring expansion to EVE for a long while now. So why not event it. But interesting to make the event as this.)
3) Drekar Alliance command. As stated before, they were robbed for billions and trillions and asset's removed. The fact they were able to rebuild, so much so to this point is pretty amazing. But let's look through what they have as their commanders. 1- Dust CO, 2- Valkyrie Co, 3- Capsuleer CO. A hint most likely all three will need to work together in order to accomplish the needed missions.
They are meeting at a "new" kind of unseen gate. And from the looks, is VERY large. Also, the fact that this will change the eve universe forever. This is a very big hint, that this will change many power houses and players within all Empires. To see who, and what is affected greatly will be shown over time.
3) The Imperial fleet. Within Aridia. This can only come to that the main houses in Aridia will be told to, or given the job of Destroying this gate. This means it is something the Empire will not sit idly by. As from what we see, is a very large fleet indeed.
4) A hint on this new gate. It launches an EMP charge within it's surrounding area. We watch this sequence being done with 1:30 in.
Personal thing: That fleet sequence for Drekar, then the Imperial warp in....beautiful.
a- no cyno on field - titan bridges in? lits immediate DD on a hel? interesting...
5) So, are both fleets officially lost? Where was the titan within the wreckage?
This does seem like there will be a massive coming and new lands to explore. As well as, who is supporting the Drekar alliance? Who really is behind the chess pieces for them?
Hopefully soon, we will find out more, or be given more clues.
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That might be reading into it possibly too much?
I think we've seen plenty of these trailers take lore a bit liberally.
Drekar is just the CCP way of showing this sort of thing being done by us the capsuleers, and using the Amarr as perhaps as a stand in for the 'empires' being opposed. This goes in line with the last several rounds of promotional material of 'us vs them.'
Just like the ghost site trailer probably showed a 'general' example of how that gameplay worked, i think this one might be a 'general' trailer of where they are heading story wise.
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That might be reading into it possibly too much?
I think we've seen plenty of these trailers take lore a bit liberally.
Drekar is just the CCP way of showing this sort of thing being done by us the capsuleers, and using the Amarr as perhaps as a stand in for the 'empires' being opposed. This goes in line with the last several rounds of promotional material of 'us vs them.'
Just like the ghost site trailer probably showed a 'general' example of how that gameplay worked, i think this one might be a 'general' trailer of where they are heading story wise.
This is similar to my line of thinking - DREKAR alliance is an 'alternate' universe showing what might be in ours. As it is, DREKAR was disbanded in 'The Butterfly Effect' and so we know that there is a broken continuity in place.
Essentially, these trailers are a glimpse into what could be, but not what will be by a long shot.
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So, Drekar actually doesn't exist anymore ?
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So, Drekar actually doesn't exist anymore ?
I think they represent 'us' the player alliance organizations. Because you know there only be independent capsuleers out there and none of us fly for the factions :P
Further edit...
Is this the 'other' working through different parties to open a gateway? Is double-Jamyl still a thing?
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So, Drekar actually doesn't exist anymore ?
DREKAR never existed - it is a plot device for a 'what could be' series of trailers. In the same way that the state of Plotdevice-istan or 'Russian sounding not-Russians' in a variety of FPS provide a relate-able, but 'not equivalent' representation of real world powers; apart from in this case it is a showcase of a series of events that may have unfolded, rather than an NPC entity within the game itself.
Pretty standard plot device for demonstrative trailers that don't want to imprint what they are showing as 'actions that actually happened', but instead wish to highlight possibilities.
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That might be reading into it possibly too much?
I think we've seen plenty of these trailers take lore a bit liberally.
Drekar is just the CCP way of showing this sort of thing being done by us the capsuleers, and using the Amarr as perhaps as a stand in for the 'empires' being opposed. This goes in line with the last several rounds of promotional material of 'us vs them.'
Just like the ghost site trailer probably showed a 'general' example of how that gameplay worked, i think this one might be a 'general' trailer of where they are heading story wise.
Pretty much this. Also, don't the hard-line ultra-conservatives of Amarr orthodoxy regard capsuleers/clone soldiers as soulless abominations? That might explain the 'heretic' reference.
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That might be reading into it possibly too much?
I think we've seen plenty of these trailers take lore a bit liberally.
Drekar is just the CCP way of showing this sort of thing being done by us the capsuleers, and using the Amarr as perhaps as a stand in for the 'empires' being opposed. This goes in line with the last several rounds of promotional material of 'us vs them.'
Just like the ghost site trailer probably showed a 'general' example of how that gameplay worked, i think this one might be a 'general' trailer of where they are heading story wise.
Pretty much this. Also, don't the hard-line ultra-conservatives of Amarr orthodoxy regard capsuleers/clone soldiers as soulless abominations? That might explain the 'heretic' reference.
'heretics' referred to non-imperials
capsuleers' souls status has never been resolved IC :(
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People are really reading too much into this like they do all the other trailers that have been released previously.
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I thought the trailer was nice. Behold my controversial opinions!
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People are really reading too much into this like they do all the other trailers that have been released previously.
Yes
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I thought the trailer was nice. Behold my controversial opinions!
*gasp :)
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That might be reading into it possibly too much?
I think we've seen plenty of these trailers take lore a bit liberally.
Drekar is just the CCP way of showing this sort of thing being done by us the capsuleers, and using the Amarr as perhaps as a stand in for the 'empires' being opposed. This goes in line with the last several rounds of promotional material of 'us vs them.'
Just like the ghost site trailer probably showed a 'general' example of how that gameplay worked, i think this one might be a 'general' trailer of where they are heading story wise.
Pretty much this. Also, don't the hard-line ultra-conservatives of Amarr orthodoxy regard capsuleers/clone soldiers as soulless abominations? That might explain the 'heretic' reference.
They would be called pagans or heathens, not heretics, I believe. Unless they are all of Amarr origin...
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Pagan/heathen/infidel are the appropriate words for non-believers rather than heretic, yes (apostate would probably also be appropriate, when considering that the Amarr believe every race once followed God and turned from him).
In the case of capsuleers though, I think abomination/monster/etc would probably be the better word to use, since it's a matter of the state of the soul (and its corruption/absence) rather than the capsuleer's faith.
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I thought the trailer was nice. Behold my controversial opinions!
SHUT UP AND WEAR THE DAMN TIN-FOIL BEFORE SOMEONE SEES YOU
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capsuleer owned stargates?
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Black and gold are colors of the Court Chamberlain, so in theory amarr commander could be Pomik Heromi he did command some fleet or something during the Elder Invasion.
chamberlain purifier (http://i.imgur.com/XDNH8.jpg)
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Black and gold are colors of the Court Chamberlain, so in theory amarr commander could be Pomik Heromi he did command some fleet or something during the Elder Invasion.
chamberlain purifier (http://i.imgur.com/XDNH8.jpg)
Clearly then, we have solved one of the mysteries in this trailer - the (unusually) enigmatic figure in black and gold is surely this guy:
[spoiler](http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/blog_post_media/public/images/booster_gold.jpg?itok=MjHknqq4)[/spoiler]
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