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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => CCP Public Library => Topic started by: Julianus Soter on 25 Aug 2010, 09:36
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Flash of insight occured as I was walking through the engineering school's comp lab. I noticed they had windows 7 installed, which made me have the internal commentary, "they must have had a new mirror".
Voila. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_%28computing%29
I knew we should've thought of this like computer nerds and IT specialists. That's all that CCP is. -_-
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What.
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that's either really stupid or really clever.
Knowing CCP, its both.
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Um. What's the insight here? I must be missing something because this looks like fairly standard architecture in many applications, including SaaS.
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"Mirroring of sites occurs for a variety of reasons.
* To preserve a website or page, especially when it is closed or is about to be closed.
* To provide access to otherwise unavailable information. For example, when the popular Google search engine was banned in 2002 by the People's Republic of China, the mirror elgooG was used as a way of effectively circumventing the ban.
* To preserve historic content. Financial constraints and/or bandwidth prevent the maintainers of a server from keeping older and unsupported content available to users who still may desire them - a mirror may be made to prevent this content from disappearing."
And from the Mirror pop-ups, which I personally witnessed,
“Archive Enclave: Directory
1.1-3.3 Digital Backup Library
3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts
4.1 Theories of the EVE Gate
5.1 Talocan Technology
6.1-6.9 Emergent Ideologies”
“Communications Enclave: Directory
1.0 - 5.1 Microvirtual Transmission Sensors
5.2 - 5.5 Sensor Backup Systems
6.0 Operation Servers
7.0 Proliferation News Network Studios
8.0 Detransmission Clusters”
“Medical Enclave: Directory
1.0 Emergency
2.0-2.8 Triage
2.9 Stasis
3.0 Quarantine Sector A
4.0 Quarantine Sector B
5.0-9.2 Quarantine Sector C
9.3 Quarantine Sector X”
“Oruze Enclave: Directory
1.0 Solar Engineering
1.1 Photoelectrical Engineering
1.2 Thermovoltaics
1.3 Residential
1.4 Residential”
“Research Enclave – Biogenetics: Directory
1.0-3.2 Animal Cryogenetic Research Laboratories
3.3-3.8 Holding Pens
4.0-6.0 De-animation Genealogy Research Library
7.0-8.0 Student Classrooms
9.0 Human Cryogenetic Applications”
“Research Enclave – Theoretical Genetics: Directory
1.0 Interdigital Neural Activity Laboratories
2.0 Multiple-Ancestry Research
3.0 Statistical Proliferation Archive
4.0 Datagenesis Procedures
5.0- 8.0 Backup Servers
9.0 Mixed Intelligence Displays”
“Research Enclave – Virtual Genetics: Directory
1.0 Neurodegenerative Case Studies
2.0 Non-natural Teleology
3.0-4.7 Test Clinics
4.8 Bioinformatics Archive
4.9 Virtual Mutation
5.0-9.8 Emergent Systems Design”
“Security Enclave: Directory
1.0 Virtual Kinetic Research
2.0 Artificial Intelligence Perpetuation Technology
3.0-5.0 Interstellar Surveillance Task Force
6.0 Anti-Thermocryogenesis Research and Implementation
7.0 Modulation Navigation Network
Essentially, a mirror contains everything you need in case you need to restart a website or server, or access it if it is down. It compiles a 'state' of the system as a snapshot of its activity.
Now, in the context of the EVE universe, this could mean for the Sleepers, a means of storing their technology, knowledge and civilization, a snapshot in time, for later access or upload. Essentially, a civilization-in-a-box.
More importantly, it might mean they are archiving information or data in the view of a possible future catastrophe, from which the universe as a whole will need to recover.
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What the hell are you talking about
Seriously Jules, you've officially made me speechless. I never knew you were majoring in comp sci.
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I'm not, I'm an electrical engineer.
Basically, all it matters is that the Mirror exploration site in class 6 systems, is a back-up of the human race, or perhaps just a subset of it, that being the Sleeper civilization.
I'll probably publish something on the IGS about this vis-a-vis the Moira./SYNE exploration partnership.
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There was a reason I was interested to see if you had completely explored Class 6s.
Of the two sites, The Mirror I believe is a database to its sibling, who seems to be the processor. 'Core Unsecured Emergence'.
Good find though I had no idea what the technical term for it was.
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Jules, please give us context next time. :) When you said, "we should've thought of this like computer nerds", we didn't know what "this" was. If you'd mentioned in the original post that "this" had to do with Sleepers and particular sites, we would have understood what you were on about. ;)
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Jules, please give us context next time. :) When you said, "we should've thought of this like computer nerds", we didn't know what "this" was. If you'd mentioned in the original post that "this" had to do with Sleepers and particular sites, we would have understood what you were on about. ;)
to be fair, I knew what he was talking about.
Then again, I spent a month decoding everything Nikilaiki said, so I'm pretty good at filling in the information gaps
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The Mirror = infamous class six exploration site, which only the people who use carriers in w-space can run.
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I was under the impression that the sleepers drones worked like the androids in the movie surrogates and that is why they are called sleepers. Their bodies are in stasis while their minds interact in some virtual world and some of them are supposed to upload into the sleeper drones to protect the rest of them.
It could be that they don't even use their bodies anymore and their minds have been transferred into hardware, this mirror could be a back up for their minds in case they die or the main server for their virtual world 'shard' goes down.
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No corroborating information to support that theory Grayson, sorry. It would appear that the Sleepers are just artificial intelligences that are emerged as needed.
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No corroborating information to support that theory Grayson, sorry. It would appear that the Sleepers are just artificial intelligences that are emerged as needed.
Could you link to the info on that?
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Simply that. There is no information regarding any 'upload' of their conciousnesses to the Sleeper drones themselves. Indeed, the Mirror description suggests that the Sleeper drones are autonomous AI entities:
"Security Enclave: Directory
2.0 Artificial Intelligence Perpetuation Technology"
Why would one need to have an artificial intelligence perpetuator if you're merely using your civilization's uploaded consciousness in a virtual reality format to command the Sleeper drones? The Security Enclave implies that they are in, in fact, artificial intelligences, emerged at various Sleeper data sanctuaries etc, that then go about assigned tasks.
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Ok, so no really solid info either way, then. I mean, the overall impression I have is that the drones are AIs rather than sleeper-consciousness driven, but I thought I might have fallen behind on the newest-sleeper-info front if there was solid stuff to back up one view or another.
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They're drones in the sense like Rogue Drones, but are following a set amount of orders. Their emergent intelligence gives them the learning capability to reach what they're needed to do, but their hard safeties stop them from completing the emergence process.
If those limits were removed, they would probably start to experience independent development much like the Rogue Drones.
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I assume, Ghost, that some of that is somewhat speculative?
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I assume, Ghost, that some of that is somewhat speculative?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Emergent_Combat_Intelligence
To a degree.
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though, like the Geth, I get the sense the Sleeper drones have multiple layers of 'intelligences' within them, likes cells in a body, kept in check by a network of failsafes. The 'brain' of the drone is the AI Nexus, clearly a self-contained and autonomous system that controls the larger system.
The drones also learn and stockpile information like humans do, enabling adaptive tactics development.
However, like the Movers of Homeworld 2, they're still bound to their original purpose, and continuously focus on it, like an obsession.
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1.0-5.1 Microvirtual Transmission Systems
5.2-5.5 Sensor Backup Systems
6.0 Operation Servers
7.0 Proliferation News Network Studios
8.0 Detransmission Clusters
The question is, what is The Mirror, mirroring? Why does it need a proliferation news network studio? ;)
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You left out the most important part, Arvo.
“Communications Enclave: Directory
1.0 - 5.1 Microvirtual Transmission Sensors
5.2 - 5.5 Sensor Backup Systems
6.0 Operation Servers
7.0 Proliferation News Network Studios
8.0 Detransmission Clusters”
If, for instance, you needed to restart civilization from square one, you'd need a news broadcast, yes?
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Funny, I thought news networks are part of the reason we need to rebuild civilization in the first place. :P
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Funny, I thought news networks are part of the reason we need to rebuild civilization in the first place. :P
Only Fox News.
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Only Fox News.
Them too, and maybe top of the list, but in all seriousness, the sort of mass media appeal for which places like MSNBC and CNN strive tend to indicate that we have a problem far beyond simple factionalism.
Thus, if the Sleepers are originally human, I contend that human nature itself hasn't changed in 20k years. The same problems with mass media and broadcast communication will remain, even in a post-human society.