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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Milo Caman on 15 Nov 2011, 12:39
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Finally decided to bite the bullet and go for this:
ANN has now been quiet for six or seven months. Whilst I'd love to see it running and active again, I simply don't have the time to write for or manage it full-time right now.
Previously we had one or two 'hired' writers who weren't entirely regular, and a plethora of volunteer submissions which showed up here and there. This worked well enough, but the volunteers trailed off as ANN turned into a drama generator. This was partially my fault, and I apologise to those involved at the time.
What I'm looking for is someone (or a group of people) to take charge of the site and get it running again, hopefully avoiding our previous mistakes. I'm quite happy to renew and maintain the domain and hosting (currently expires March 7th, 2012) if things improve, as well as providing funding in the form of ISK, prizes etcetera if things get back on track and stay there.
If anyone's got any suggestions (or wants to have a crack at running the thing) get in touch with me via PM, EVEmail or just post here.
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A suggestion:
Run the ANN much like Much Raker (who is a fantastic character), and post small news items directly to the IGS instead of a dedicated website? People could submit stories to you still, and just post them all from the same character to IGS?
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A suggestion:
Run the ANN much like Much Raker (who is a fantastic character), and post small news items directly to the IGS instead of a dedicated website? People could submit stories to you still, and just post them all from the same character to IGS?
Would flood the IGS with topics that will come to irritate people. Weekly highlight stories might be a better idea, where a particularly note worthy story is posted for attention grabbing / advertising.
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While I hardly have the time or talent for running ANN I'd like to help.
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A suggestion:
Run the ANN much like Much Raker (who is a fantastic character), and post small news items directly to the IGS instead of a dedicated website? People could submit stories to you still, and just post them all from the same character to IGS?
Would flood the IGS with topics that will come to irritate people. Weekly highlight stories might be a better idea, where a particularly note worthy story is posted for attention grabbing / advertising.
Do you feel MuckRaker posts too frequently? I feel like it's about-right, with small/short snippets.
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A suggestion:
Run the ANN much like Much Raker (who is a fantastic character), and post small news items directly to the IGS instead of a dedicated website? People could submit stories to you still, and just post them all from the same character to IGS?
Would flood the IGS with topics that will come to irritate people. Weekly highlight stories might be a better idea, where a particularly note worthy story is posted for attention grabbing / advertising.
Do you feel MuckRaker posts too frequently? I feel like it's about-right, with small/short snippets.
MuckRaker's rate seems to be fine. I find it distasteful for an organization to host more than two threads a week. Perhaps I jumped the gun on assuming submitted stories wouldn't be given a small processing period before posting, though.
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No, that's a good point. I feel like content would come much slower for ANN though, as it might be more 'serious' and less of a scandal paper
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While I hardly have the time or talent for running ANN I'd like to help.
Just submitting the occasional article, interest or otherwise is great. One of the bigger issues before was the lack of submissions from outside sources.
Would flood the IGS with topics that will come to irritate people. Weekly highlight stories might be a better idea, where a particularly note worthy story is posted for attention grabbing / advertising.
We did actually run a thread before, linking to major/well written articles before. It became clogged with drama though. I like the Idea of weekly 'highlights' on the IGS summing things up though.
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I could see Hamish posting anti provist articles under various pseudonyms.
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I'd be happy to post some stuff.
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As it's looking like I'll be backish, I may be able to submit some stuff. I can't guarantee any kind of steady output due to my current academic workload, but I wouldn't mind the occasional opportunity to write something that doesn't involve grueling library research.
Once the media projects I'm currently juggling are wrapped up, I may even decide to poop out a vidya or two. We'll have to wait and see on that front. I have this bad tendency to bite off more than I can reasonably chew.
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I could see Hamish posting anti provist articles under various pseudonyms.
Do it
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While I hardly have the time or talent for running ANN I'd like to help.
Just submitting the occasional article, interest or otherwise is great. One of the bigger issues before was the lack of submissions from outside sources.
Would flood the IGS with topics that will come to irritate people. Weekly highlight stories might be a better idea, where a particularly note worthy story is posted for attention grabbing / advertising.
We did actually run a thread before, linking to major/well written articles before. It became clogged with drama though. I like the Idea of weekly 'highlights' on the IGS summing things up though.
As long as you are dumping the news article and not actively partaking in the commentary, drama blame cannot be placed on you. Recycling every so often into a new thread with a new article also helps prevent accumulative shit post stacking in one central thread.
As far as external submissions go, it'll be hit or miss. Quality control is a big thing, peoples' writing styles vary greatly. How much work you have to do on your end, versus how much of a person's original work material is left, will affect the relationship.
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One MuckRaker is engouth.
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As long as you are dumping the news article and not actively partaking in the commentary, drama blame cannot be placed on you. Recycling every so often into a new thread with a new article also helps prevent accumulative shit post stacking in one central thread.
That would be the plan. Don't really want a repeat of last time.
As far as external submissions go, it'll be hit or miss. Quality control is a big thing, peoples' writing styles vary greatly. How much work you have to do on your end, versus how much of a person's original work material is left, will affect the relationship.
The vast majority of Freelance stuff that came through last time was excellent, and only required minor tweaking (Spelling, occasionally grammar) as well as verification of sources. I don't really feel comfortable twiddling with original material past correcting things, so if there's something I'm not happy about, I'll usually send it back to the author with a query or something.
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I may submit something if I have time / inspiration, don't take that as a promise though, because either / both may be an issue. I'll read the site though, that's good right. I can't recall if you had an RSS feed, think you did as it has a Wordpress backend, right? Google Reader is saving me TONS of time.
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One MuckRaker is enough.
why's that ? gives people stuff to talk about, doesnt it ?
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As far as external submissions go, it'll be hit or miss. Quality control is a big thing, peoples' writing styles vary greatly. How much work you have to do on your end, versus how much of a person's original work material is left, will affect the relationship.
The vast majority of Freelance stuff that came through last time was excellent, and only required minor tweaking (Spelling, occasionally grammar) as well as verification of sources. I don't really feel comfortable twiddling with original material past correcting things, so if there's something I'm not happy about, I'll usually send it back to the author with a query or something.
The root of the issue then just seems to be actively maintaining and keeping the project going, which has its own host of problems in itself. I don't know how much players will invest into it, as a pirate I would probably personally use it as a dead drop method. Cloak hints of whats going on in news articles so particularly savvy players could investigate, for instance.
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As far as external submissions go, it'll be hit or miss. Quality control is a big thing, peoples' writing styles vary greatly. How much work you have to do on your end, versus how much of a person's original work material is left, will affect the relationship.
The vast majority of Freelance stuff that came through last time was excellent, and only required minor tweaking (Spelling, occasionally grammar) as well as verification of sources. I don't really feel comfortable twiddling with original material past correcting things, so if there's something I'm not happy about, I'll usually send it back to the author with a query or something.
The root of the issue then just seems to be actively maintaining and keeping the project going, which has its own host of problems in itself. I don't know how much players will invest into it, as a pirate I would probably personally use it as a dead drop method. Cloak hints of whats going on in news articles so particularly savvy players could investigate, for instance.
It's purpose is a borderless, independent source for the free exchange of information. So actually, yeah, that's a valid use.
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Been waiting for it to come back, can't wait to see what comes up next. I still enjoy listening to my raging voice on the vent logs. :cube:
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Serpentis Scum
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Welcome back to activity, guys. You've been missed. Also, I'd be happy to write stuff, if I can think of an IC reason that Mammal would ever work with you guys. Or perhaps I can write something under one of my alts.
A suggestion:
Run the ANN much like Much Raker (who is a fantastic character), and post small news items directly to the IGS instead of a dedicated website? People could submit stories to you still, and just post them all from the same character to IGS?
Would flood the IGS with topics that will come to irritate people. Weekly highlight stories might be a better idea, where a particularly note worthy story is posted for attention grabbing / advertising.
What, people are irritated by Muck Raker? It's one of the best things on IGS.
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Serpentis Scum
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Welcome back to activity, guys. You've been missed. Also, I'd be happy to write stuff, if I can think of an IC reason that Mammal would ever work with you guys. Or perhaps I can write something under one of my alts.
A suggestion:
Run the ANN much like Much Raker (who is a fantastic character), and post small news items directly to the IGS instead of a dedicated website? People could submit stories to you still, and just post them all from the same character to IGS?
Would flood the IGS with topics that will come to irritate people. Weekly highlight stories might be a better idea, where a particularly note worthy story is posted for attention grabbing / advertising.
What, people are irritated by Muck Raker? It's one of the best things on IGS.
Well, again, the site itself isn't under direct control of anyone in particular. The only filter we place on content is good writing and worthwhile reporting. Alts are also perfectly acceptable, as are pen names and pseudonyms.
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Milo,
I was talking with Levi's player yesterday and mentioned that you guys were thinking of rebooting. He said you should send him an e-mail. He hasn't played Eve since the summer, but he's interested in writing more articles if you want them.
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Status check?
I am wondering what the status is in order to help out build awareness of what folks are up to.
Will there be weekly digest (scroll text length) on IGS?
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Between work and trying to get ANSH back on it's feet I've not really had the time to run this.
I did drop mails to a whole bunch of people a few weeks ago, but they've either not replied or not come through with articles.
Now I've got a more free time, I can start putting a little more work into it.
I'd encourage interested parties to drop me a PM/EVEMail about this.
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*Update
Alright, because I love the site from the bottom of my heart, I'm going to break the cardinal rule I set for myself earlier on, which was "don't write all the articles yourself" and "don't just write fluff." I made these mostly because I felt hearing fluff stories from the same reporter over and over would diminish the site, but I don't want to see it die from lack of updates.
I'm going to endeavor to have new articles for y'all on a weekly basis, and I encourage anyone with an interest to produce their own articles to do so; we accept 500-word quick articles, if they're up to editorial codes, we have room for any genre, and there's no obligation, so don't be afraid to submit.
I'd also like to hear some suggestions on what people like to hear about in their news. We might restructure the format in the future, so if there's a new column type you'd like to see, give us some shout-outs.